'18 OR ATH Braden Lenzy (Notre Dame Signee)

[ulukinatme]

I'm usually right, and early before something's common knowledge. I could share the landry list but IDC.

Maybe I'm wrong about this one - I hope I am.

They're called "Koon hot takes" for a reason. How about all the times you got it wrong, like Greg Bryant? How about Gunner Kiel? How many players have been cursed by the "Bod Squad" tag? Brent, Redfield, Wimbush all suffered that fate. The only one to escape fading into obscurity was Jaylon, he was just too much of a freak. No, it's mch easier to point out the mistakes as oppose to the times the broken clock has been right. You were right like...one time about Longo, and I think the jury is still out on whether we're actually better off under Balis or not.

We got pretty manhandled by Clemson and Michigan, and there were plenty of success stories under Longo like Will Fuller. The players/families that were the most outspoken opponents to Longo also walked away from the university with the biggest egos and failed to make a big mark at the next level. I think the biggest impact has been position coaches and the Elko/Lea effect. Our defense is immensely better because of scheme and fundamentals, not improvements to strength or speed. Similarly our offensive line has struggled at times recently not because they're slower or weaker, but due to Quinn failing to fill Heistand's shoes. Obviously Longo had some health issues near the end, RIP, but that doesn't mean he wasn't successful with players that bought in.

 

[koonja]

They're called "Koon hot takes" for a reason. How about all the times you got it wrong, like Greg Bryant? How about Gunner Kiel? How many players have been cursed by the "Bod Squad" tag? Brent, Redfield, Wimbush all suffered that fate. The only one to escape fading into obscurity was Jaylon, he was just too much of a freak. No, it's mch easier to point out the mistakes as oppose to the times the broken clock has been right. You were right like...one time about Longo, and I think the jury is still out on whether we're actually better off under Balis or not.

We got pretty manhandled by Clemson and Michigan, and there were plenty of success stories under Longo like Will Fuller. The players/families that were the most outspoken opponents to Longo also walked away from the university with the biggest egos and failed to make a big mark at the next level. I think the biggest impact has been position coaches and the Elko/Lea effect. Our defense is immensely better because of scheme and fundamentals, not improvements to strength or speed. Similarly our offensive line has struggled at times recently not because they're slower or weaker, but due to Quinn failing to fill Heistand's shoes. Obviously Longo had some health issues near the end, RIP, but that doesn't mean he wasn't successful with players that bought in.

Putting 5 seconds of thought into it, I was right about Longo, Dexter Williams deserving more carries in 2017, Kmet deserving Alize snaps in 2018, Longo, Michigan being a problem this year, Wimbush needing to be benched last year far before it happened...


Those are just the things people didn't want to hear about. Each one of these pissed people like you off. Think about how nuts that is....

There are a million others but you're probably better keeping track. This was just an 8 second hip shot from me.

I literally don't care if you or others think I'm negative or whatever you want to call it with your time... I'm right about a lot of things ppl don't want to hear.

I love when I'm wrong though - and I hope I am on this one.

 

[317Irish]

Putting 5 seconds of thought into it, I was right about Longo, Dexter Williams deserving more carries in 2017, Kmet deserving Alize snaps in 2018, Longo, Michigan being a problem this year, Wimbush needing to be benched last year far before it happened...


Those are just the things people didn't want to hear about. Each one of these pissed people like you off. Think about how nuts that is....

There are a million others but you're probably better keeping track. This was just an 8 second hip shot from me.

I literally don't care if you or others think I'm negative or whatever you want to call it with your time... I'm right about a lot of things ppl don't want to hear.

I love when I'm wrong though - and I hope I am on this one.

Was it 5 seconds of thought or 8 seconds of thought?? Get your story straight.

 

[ulukinatme]

Putting 5 seconds of thought into it, I was right about Longo, Dexter Williams deserving more carries in 2017, Kmet deserving Alize snaps in 2018, Longo, Michigan being a problem this year, Wimbush needing to be benched last year far before it happened...


Those are just the things people didn't want to hear about. Each one of these pissed people like you off. Think about how nuts that is....

There are a million others but you're probably better keeping track. This was just an 8 second hip shot from me.

I literally don't care if you or others think I'm negative or whatever you want to call it with your time... I'm right about a lot of things ppl don't want to hear.

I love when I'm wrong though - and I hope I am on this one.

You said Longo twice

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Dexter wasn't ready for more carries in 2017, he wasn't a complete back at that time. He still struggles with it at the next level. Hell of a home run threat though. I could give you Kmet, but there's also no telling if he was more ready than Alize at that time. You have to start the players that give you the best chance to win today. If Kelly packed it in and blew up the roster after Michigan we could have finished 8-5. Those are the kind of seasons that lead to poor recruiting and staff getting let go.

As far as Michigan, they're not world beaters. They're a 9-3 team that's going to get spanked by Alabama. Did we embarrass ourselves that night? Yeah, it was a shitty game plan that probably lead to Long sealing his fate, and we played sloppy in another nasty rain game. The botched punt? That was on us, not Michigan. Continuing to try and pound the ball behind an injured and struggling OL? That was bad play calling on our part. Michigan played well despite the weather while we played sloppy, the same result could have happened against a team like Minnesota or Auburn given the conditions, but neither of those teams is 31 points better than us either. Michigan has lost to every respectable team they've faced this year save for a 10-3 win against Iowa. I would have loved to see a rematch with anyone else calling plays, Tommy included, on a neutral site. Rainy weather just seems to be our kryptonite.

 

[Irish#1]

They're called "Koon hot takes" for a reason. How about all the times you got it wrong, like Greg Bryant? How about Gunner Kiel? How many players have been cursed by the "Bod Squad" tag? Brent, Redfield, Wimbush all suffered that fate. The only one to escape fading into obscurity was Jaylon, he was just too much of a freak. No, it's mch easier to point out the mistakes as oppose to the times the broken clock has been right. You were right like...one time about Longo, and I think the jury is still out on whether we're actually better off under Balis or not.

We got pretty manhandled by Clemson and Michigan, and there were plenty of success stories under Longo like Will Fuller. The players/families that were the most outspoken opponents to Longo also walked away from the university with the biggest egos and failed to make a big mark at the next level. I think the biggest impact has been position coaches and the Elko/Lea effect. Our defense is immensely better because of scheme and fundamentals, not improvements to strength or speed. Similarly our offensive line has struggled at times recently not because they're slower or weaker, but due to Quinn failing to fill Heistand's shoes. Obviously Longo had some health issues near the end, RIP, but that doesn't mean he wasn't successful with players that bought in.

Speaking strictly to the bolded, I think we are better off. Prior to Balis we wore down toward the end of the year. Under Balis we are finishing. RIP Longo.

 

[Crazy Balki]

They're called "Koon hot takes" for a reason. How about all the times you got it wrong, like Greg Bryant? How about Gunner Kiel? How many players have been cursed by the "Bod Squad" tag? Brent, Redfield, Wimbush all suffered that fate. The only one to escape fading into obscurity was Jaylon, he was just too much of a freak. No, it's mch easier to point out the mistakes as oppose to the times the broken clock has been right. You were right like...one time about Longo, and I think the jury is still out on whether we're actually better off under Balis or not.

We got pretty manhandled by Clemson and Michigan, and there were plenty of success stories under Longo like Will Fuller. The players/families that were the most outspoken opponents to Longo also walked away from the university with the biggest egos and failed to make a big mark at the next level. I think the biggest impact has been position coaches and the Elko/Lea effect. Our defense is immensely better because of scheme and fundamentals, not improvements to strength or speed. Similarly our offensive line has struggled at times recently not because they're slower or weaker, but due to Quinn failing to fill Heistand's shoes. Obviously Longo had some health issues near the end, RIP, but that doesn't mean he wasn't successful with players that bought in.

Well, for one, I'm fairly certain Longo isn't dead. I believe he went blind earlier this year, but from what I recall, still very much alive.

Secondly, I don't think the jury is out at all. I think we are in MUCH better shape under Balis. You ask pretty much anybody who is close to the program and I think it's unanimous that Balis has revolutionized the way this team plays.

In particular, the Balis teams are A LOT better for a whole season than the Longo teams for the most part.

ND had a huge problem with finishing out seasons for a while. You look at how things unfolded in 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 (which while Balis had taken over, he's not going to change those trends in year 1). The team was noticeably worse at the end of the season, as opposed to the first 2/3 of it.

That hasn't been the case this year or last. Hell, this year, the team has saved it's best football for November.

I think Longo did a good job early on, but results began to tail off quickly and I think his health played a huge role and he should've been replaced long before 2016.

ND lost to Clemson because Clemson was simply a much more talented team than them. ND lost to Michigan because they were woefully ill-prepared by their coaching staff. Had nothing to do with being physically exhausted or conditioned poorly. They were emotionally deflated and let mental errors snowball and then they uncharacteristically laid down in the pouring rain.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Koon is the Skip Bayless of IE. throw as many dumb takes at the wall as possible then brag about it when one of them turns out to be close to right. I actually get a kick out of his efforts. He’s a masterful troll.

 

[Luckylucci]

This is pretty funny and not important at all but how can someone take credit for being right on a topic by saying, "Player X did better this year than Player Y did (at the same position last year) so therefore he should've been playing last year. It's all sorts of laughable to act as if that is indeed how it works as a 100% certainty.

 

[koonja]

Koon is the Skip Bayless of IE. throw as many dumb takes at the wall as possible then brag about it when one of them turns out to be close to right. I actually get a kick out of his efforts. He’s a masterful troll.

I literally never bring it up until one of the easy-pleasers says something along the lines of "you know nothing, you're always wrong". Then I point out, well no, actually.

I make a lot of statements. Some are wrong, some are right. Imagine being one of the posters that just agrees with everything or stays silent, and only comes here to try to tell people when they're wrong because they actually said something.

That sounds so boring.

I never start the fight. Just put forth the proper defense once it's started.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I like what I saw from lenzy taking kick offs he adds something extra does anyone know who will take punts next year?!

 

[irishtrooper]

I literally never bring it up until one of the easy-pleasers says something along the lines of "you know nothing, you're always wrong". Then I point out, well no, actually.

I make a lot of statements. Some are wrong, some are right. Imagine being one of the posters that just agrees with everything or stays silent, and only comes here to try to tell people when they're wrong because they actually said something.

That sounds so boring.

I never start the fight. Just put forth the proper defense once it's started.

I actually agree with you more than most, but I believe it’s the perceived arrogance some would say you display that is an irritant. You are right more than a lot of people here will admit. However you’re wrong more than you would admit.

That’s my take. I will say I enjoy the back and forth between you and your “opponents”.

 

[irishnd31]

I actually agree with you more than most, but I believe it’s the perceived arrogance some would say you display that is an irritant. You are right more than a lot of people here will admit. However you’re wrong more than you would admit.

That’s my take. I will say I enjoy the back and forth between you and your “opponents”.

Koon knew you'd say this.

 

[irishnd31]

I think I said this once before on this topic, but if you have to constantly tell everyone how special you are, that probably means you aren’t that special. If you actually were that special, you wouldn’t need to tell anyone, because they would see it plainly for themselves and it would be self evident.

Probably the best take on the whole Koon saga.

 

[koonja]

I actually agree with you more than most, but I believe it’s the perceived arrogance some would say you display that is an irritant. You are right more than a lot of people here will admit. However you’re wrong more than you would admit.

That’s my take. I will say I enjoy the back and forth between you and your “opponents”.

I get it. I'm sure many will not believe this and that's fine, but unless I'm stating a fact or something as painfully obvious as "it's 2017 and Dexter Williams deserves to touch a football", I'm always open to being wrong.

There are a handful of people on here that know me outside of IE, and I am willing to bet none of them would describe me as arrogant. I post opinions firmly and with bravado, and they probably roll their eyes when they see it, but know I'm laughing behind the scenes.

I also get numb to the general culture of the board that is something along the lines of: "anything you say to support the team/coach/players/optimism will be met with little to no critique, but if you have something negative to say, you best publish your homework that lead you to such conclusion, and don't forget to spend 3 weeks fact checking first!".

I'm not changing. The mods will ban me when they have a good reason and I'll be OK with it. But I'll never allow it to be because I attacked another poster. My "get attacked" to "attack" ratio is about 500:1.

And my "right" to "wrong" prediction ration is about 500:1 too. Talk about bang for your buck!

 

[ab2cmiller]

Even back then Koon, I tried to help you see that how you post things matters. You can have a good take, but if you are a prick in how you post it, you are going to get push back. Nothing has really changed in the last two years.

Koon, based upon what I've already posted, you know I kind of agree with some of your points concerning Josh. But you have to recognize that the way you post sometimes, brings much of this upon yourself.

You could've posted something along the lines that I did, that of course I want Josh back, he's a very good runner and will help us win games, but call out BK for the way that he's used his running backs .... Instead you post an inflammatory statement that you don't want Josh back and that we are basically better off without him. You immediately pissed off most of the board which causes them to dismiss all of your points, even though some are valid.

You're right. I'm sorry for upsetting people, especially Cack. I'm moving on from this thread.

 

[Irish#1]

Can a mod clean this up and move all of this humorous banter to a new thread titled "Koon, I May be Wrong, but I'm Always Right".

Back to Lenzy please.

 

[Wild Bill]

I actually agree with you more than most, but I believe it’s the perceived arrogance some would say you display that is an irritant. You are right more than a lot of people here will admit. However you’re wrong more than you would admit.

That’s my take. I will say I enjoy the back and forth between you and your “opponents”.

Koon is like the John Tortorella of IE. You may not like his style, but he makes a good point from time to time.

Never change, Koon.

 

[NDty9]

I cant believe this guy is stillllll getting the attention he craves!

 

[Meacon Irish]

Let's trying moving the conversation on to someone who actually deserves to be talked about? Like the guy the thread was made for?

I like what I saw from lenzy taking kick offs he adds something extra does anyone know who will take punts next year?!

I agree. I was quite excited to see him back there taking kicks. I'd love to see him get the chance to return kicks full-time next year.

 

[T-Boone]

Williams should have been used a lot more in 17 especially in the Georgia game once it was obvious Josh Adams was not going to have his own way with the Georgia defense. I think we may have won that game if Williams got half of Adams snaps.

 

[ulukinatme]

Well, for one, I'm fairly certain Longo isn't dead. I believe he went blind earlier this year, but from what I recall, still very much alive.

You're right, my fault. Someone had told me Longo passed away in 2019, and now it looks like it was probably an 88 year old different man from New York that was also named Paul Longo. Glad to hear he's still alive, even if he's not well.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Braden Lenzy has always had athleticism and speed, but now his route running has advanced along with his confidence. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Growth?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Growth</a> <a href="https://t.co/SnlUsBdyTG">pic.twitter.com/SnlUsBdyTG</a></p>— Matt Freeman (@mattfreemanISD) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattfreemanISD/status/1235757195062644737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[T-Boone]

He is taking that all the way every time.

 

[benneboy]

Despite Austin's potential, I think Lenzy could be the #1 WR this year. If he can repeat what's in that clip consistently, he will be borderline uncoverable.

 

[Luckylucci]

Multiple mentions of both Lenzy and Keys also looking the part today.

That’d be quite the class to all get going at the same time. Seems like the top 3 have all found their place, W, X, and Z

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Injury update on Braden Lenzy (hamstring).<br><br>Will attempt to do change of direction in running on Wednesday. Sounds like it’s unlikely he plays at BC, but probable he’ll back back for North Carolina.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1325853007821606913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Riddickulous]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly says Braden Lenzy was running full speed, on a straight line, last Friday. Says if he feels good in other testing today, he'll practice tomorrow. If he can't go this week, he'll rest and they expect him to be ready for North Carolina the day after Thanksgiving.</p>— Sean Stires (@SeanWSBT) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanWSBT/status/1325852966599995402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[zelezo vlk]

I want to see him out there, but I'd really prefer him to just stay out until NC

 

[zelezo vlk]

BK confirmed that Lenzy will be ready for UNC, but not playing this week at BC

 

[tko]

I saw Lenzy in for at least 1 play. Hopefully he can get a few more looks over the next couple of games and be ready to contribute vs Clemson. Btw, I still can't stand 0 on his jersey.