'18 OH MLB Dallas Gant (Ohio State Verbal)

[BobbyMac]

Bogs just won D!ck Tease of the Year for 2017. Book it.

I'll be the one to say it (again if I've already said it in this thread): If Gant commits tomorrow - great! But I'd much rather watch Gaoteote, McGrone, Hollifield, Wilson and Tisdale's film. Any of them, in any order that join BB & OO will be fine by me. I can't see the Irish losing at LB or S this year. If they get their #4 or #5 on the board, they will be set.

 

[Luckylucci]

Bogs just won D!ck Tease of the Year for 2017. Book it.

I'll be the one to say it (again if I've already said it in this thread): If Gant commits tomorrow - great! But I'd much rather watch Gaoteote, McGrone, Hollifield, Wilson and Tisdale's film. Any of them, in any order that join BB & OO will be fine by me. I can't see the Irish losing at LB or S this year. If they get their #4 or #5 on the board, they will be set.

LB recruiting will be interesting to follow, because it wouldn't seem like we could take more than 1, and, at least for now, some serious talent on the board. If it were me.

Wilson
Gaoteote
Gant/Tisdale
Hollifield/McGrone

Mainly because, though I really like McGrone and Hollifield, we have Bauer and I'd like to look for another LB with more speed, quickness, and range. With that said, you could probably take Wilson and another true ILB like Hollifield, because of Wilson's versatility.

 

[Irishman77]

LB recruiting will be interesting to follow, because it wouldn't seem like we could take more than 1, and, at least for now, some serious talent on the board. If it were me.

Wilson
Gaoteote
Gant/Tisdale
Hollifield/McGrone

Mainly because, though I really like McGrone and Hollifield, we have Bauer and I'd like to look for another LB with more speed, quickness, and range. With that said, you could probably take Wilson and another true ILB like Hollifield, because of Wilson's versatility.

One LB??? With our roster we should be taking 3 every year at a minimum. This year we should be okay if everyone stays healthy. Next year it's anybodies guess who if any will man up. I'd take 5 linebackers in the group mentioned.

4 dl
5 lb
4 db
3 ol
0te
1 qb
2 rb
3 wr

 

[BobbyMac]

LB recruiting will be interesting to follow, because it wouldn't seem like we could take more than 1, and, at least for now, some serious talent on the board. If it were me.

Wilson
Gaoteote
Gant/Tisdale
Hollifield/McGrone

Mainly because, though I really like McGrone and Hollifield, we have Bauer and I'd like to look for another LB with more speed, quickness, and range. With that said, you could probably take Wilson and another true ILB like Hollifield, because of Wilson's versatility.

Yes, #'s are tight. I have no idea who the new staff likes at what position, I have no idea who currently called a LB will stay an LB and I'm not sweating it. Just feels good to be on the right guys for once WITH the right coaches.

And off the top of my head, McGrone's quicker than everyone.

One LB??? With our roster we should be taking 3 every year at a minimum. This year we should be okay if everyone stays healthy. Next year it's anybodies guess who if any will man up. I'd take 5 linebackers in the group mentioned.

4 dl
5 lb
4 db
3 ol
0te
1 qb
2 rb
3 wr

Problem is there's only 15-18 spots projected for next year right now depending on grad years. Bad year to have this problem.



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[Irishman77]

Yes, #'s are tight. I have no idea who the new staff likes at what position, I have no idea who currently called a LB will stay an LB and I'm not sweating it. Just feels good to be on the right guys for once WITH the right coaches.

And off the top of my head, McGrone's quicker than everyone.




Problem is there's only 15-18 spots projected for next year right now depending on grad years. Bad year to have this problem.



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Ha. The year we are over 80 without giving coaches kids or walk ons full rides will be the first. It's time to attack the numbers and get real. Transfers, DQ's and kids that decide they really didn't like football can add 5 more at least to your count

 

[OCIrish]

I'd almost say, Gant is a have to take. I know there are more talented kids in that group, but I remember reading a few stories about ND not hitting the Catholic schools like they used to. I feel like when a Dallas Gant comes along, you've got to take him. JMO, though

 

[BobbyMac]

Ha. The year we are over 80 without giving coaches kids or walk ons full rides will be the first. It's time to attack the numbers and get real. Transfers, DQ's and kids that decide they really didn't like football can add 5 more at least to your count

I don't disagree about what usually happens. Just saying what's available right now and LB is not a thin position in a 4-2-5.

I'd almost say, Gant is a have to take. I know there are more talented kids in that group, but I remember reading a few stories about ND not hitting the Catholic schools like they used to. I feel like when a Dallas Gant comes along, you've got to take him. JMO, though

Of course he's a take. First come first serve.

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[irishff1014]

I think I am really gonna like these coaches.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'd almost say, Gant is a have to take. I know there are more talented kids in that group, but I remember reading a few stories about ND not hitting the Catholic schools like they used to. I feel like when a Dallas Gant comes along, you've got to take him. JMO, though

No doubt, Gant is a definite take. Hopefully that's now I came across. Just having fun with how I'd rank them. I guess I do wonder on positions and numbers. As cycles go on, player types and position fit start to become more apparent, it's fun to speculate about.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think I am really gonna like these coaches.

Worst case scenario, and this is a good thing, is they are going to be very active. At the very least, being active will eventually build relationships with the kids that are receptive to the pitch. Not making an effort has been a big part of the problem.

 

[OCIrish]

No doubt, Gant is a definite take. Hopefully that's now I came across. Just having fun with how I'd rank them. I guess I do wonder on positions and numbers. As cycles go on, player types and position fit start to become more apparent, it's fun to speculate about.

No, I didn't think you came across that way, that's probably why I said there's probably a few kids with, maybe a higher ceiling, I was just thinking purely along the lines of ND getting back into the Catholic schools. It just seems we lose SOO much talent every year, because we don't get the kids that WANT to be here.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I've read every subscription article -interview with '18 recruit and all of them speak volumes about Elko, Lea, Long and Alexander and often say that Elston is a great or "one of the best in the country" recruiters. Many or most of them mention having heard from Kelly on the phone.
What I'm saying is, the ND staff is working way harder at recruiting it seems. They have a more aggressive, confident and organized approach, it seems.
I expect a great class. We're in it for some great players.

 

[IrishLion]

If it were me.

Wilson
Gaoteote
Gant/Tisdale
Hollifield/McGrone

I keep seeing people around the board discuss IE, but do we actually have a chance?

None of the news from ND reporters focusing on the '18 class mentions him from what I've seen, so I just assume there's no mutual interest. However, I haven't paid enough attention to individual's in the '18 class to know who on your list is realistic besides Gant lol

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I keep seeing people around the board discuss IE, but do we actually have a chance?

None of the news from ND reporters focusing on the '18 class mentions him from what I've seen, so I just assume there's no mutual interest. However, I haven't paid enough attention to individual's in the '18 class to know who on your list is realistic besides Gant lol

I kept thinking the same thing. I think he either goes to USC or Ohio State

 

[Irish#1]

I've read every subscription article -interview with '18 recruit and all of them speak volumes about Elko, Lea, Long and Alexander and often say that Elston is a great or "one of the best in the country" recruiters. Many or most of them mention having heard from Kelly on the phone.
What I'm saying is, the ND staff is working way harder at recruiting it seems. They have a more aggressive, confident and organized approach, it seems.
I expect a great class. We're in it for some great players.

Harder or smarter?

 

[IrishLion]

Harder or smarter?

Yes

 

[PANDFAN]

I keep seeing people around the board discuss IE, but do we actually have a chance?

None of the news from ND reporters focusing on the '18 class mentions him from what I've seen, so I just assume there's no mutual interest. However, I haven't paid enough attention to individual's in the '18 class to know who on your list is realistic besides Gant lol

he was high on ND very early but im talking about a year ago...

 

[IrishLion]

he was high on ND very early but im talking about a year ago...

That's what I'm saying haha. He seemed generally pleased at the offer, and it was nice to see ND on an elite player early for once, but his profile has essentially been crickets on actual news.

We've had all the "2018 Recruiting Class Primer!!!!!!" articles put out, and his thread hasn't been bumped since before '17 NSD... and he's an elite prospect, where the talk usually explodes even when there's little chance.

But then again, the only LB we've really talked a lot about is Gant, and that's probably because we already have one/two committed. Perhaps IE and the staff are just slowly building a relationship, consider LB recruiting might already be getting tight, and since we have a new staff in place.

 

[PANDFAN]

That's what I'm saying haha. He seemed generally pleased at the offer, and it was nice to see ND on an elite player early for once, but his profile has essentially been crickets on actual news.

We've had all the "2018 Recruiting Class Primer!!!!!!" articles put out, and his thread hasn't been bumped since before '17 NSD... and he's an elite prospect, where the talk usually explodes even when there's little chance.

But then again, the only LB we've really talked a lot about is Gant, and that's probably because we already have one/two committed. Perhaps IE and the staff are just slowly building a relationship, consider LB recruiting might already be getting tight, and since we have a new staff in place.

he is really high on osu right now

 

[OCIrish]

he is really high on osu right now

Yeah, I read this somewhere, but cannot remember off the top of my head.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Harder or smarter?

Nice. A little bit of both, I'd say. Having an up beat, excited, super high-IQ DC who calls recruits everyday (and doesn't have a son eating up a scholarship we could use, while holding a clip board) really helps.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Nice. A little bit of both, I'd say. Having an up beat, excited, super high-IQ DC who calls recruits everyday (and doesn't have a son eating up a scholarship we could use, while holding a clip board) really helps.

Interesting.

 

[NDohio]

Interesting.

Which part?

 

[BobbyMac]

Nice. A little bit of both, I'd say. Having an up beat, excited, super high-IQ DC who calls recruits everyday (and doesn't have a son eating up a scholarship we could use, while holding a clip board) really helps.

Said son still eating in '17 unless a mysterious back ailment suddenly surfaces forcing him to take a medical.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

That was a bit of a brash comment I made. BVG did recruit and is an intelligent guy. Unfortunately his scheme didn't fit. From what I've read and heard it seemed like he wasn't anywhere near as involved in recruiting as he should have been. When a DC/OC and/or HC themselves calls a recruit, it seems to have a more "I'm a priority" feel to a recruit.
With his son having a scholarship, I'm not certain that your 4th string, signal caller warrants a scholarship. His gig does serve a huge purpose and I'm sure a lot of time is spent there.
1. I'm not sure if these types get scholarships at other P5 programs. Maybe they do, but that would be news/a surprise to me.
2. I'm not sure if he got the scholarship because he is BVG's son, but I have a hard time looking at it as a coincidence.
Not sure why I went so in depth about this in a Gant thread. I guess when I make bold statements, I like to explain myself

 

[koonja]

I do not see Gant in this class and I'd bet all of my vbucks on that.

 

[Luckylucci]

I keep seeing people around the board discuss IE, but do we actually have a chance?

None of the news from ND reporters focusing on the '18 class mentions him from what I've seen, so I just assume there's no mutual interest. However, I haven't paid enough attention to individual's in the '18 class to know who on your list is realistic besides Gant lol

Yea I think he's a long shot at this point. But since we already have two committed LB's, we do have the luxury of being patient. Again, I was just having fun ranking the guys that were posted above by Crusader.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

ND is in a lot better place then people think, like speculated from people who actually know. Bogs pulling a GB, I like dat

Bogs just won D!ck Tease of the Year for 2017. Book it.

I'll be the one to say it (again if I've already said it in this thread): If Gant commits tomorrow - great! But I'd much rather watch Gaoteote, McGrone, Hollifield, Wilson and Tisdale's film. Any of them, in any order that join BB & OO will be fine by me. I can't see the Irish losing at LB or S this year. If they get their #4 or #5 on the board, they will be set.

LB recruiting will be interesting to follow, because it wouldn't seem like we could take more than 1, and, at least for now, some serious talent on the board. If it were me.

Wilson
Gaoteote
Gant/Tisdale
Hollifield/McGrone

Mainly because, though I really like McGrone and Hollifield, we have Bauer and I'd like to look for another LB with more speed, quickness, and range. With that said, you could probably take Wilson and another true ILB like Hollifield, because of Wilson's versatility.

Now I know how teasers get to that point. But I saw it coming and extricated myself, I think.

I purposely avoided meeting with or talking to several people this week.

There is business that needs to be done that doesn't involve me, or more precisely I don't want a sniff of involvement with.

About the who and what :
A) Everybody knows the number of awesome recruits ND is involved with.
B) Conversely, everyone knows the relatively few numbers ND has allotted to linebacker recruits this year.
C) I don't know about any other candidate, but Dallas Gant has a 3.96 GPA at a school that has been recognized consistently as one of the top couple hundred prep schools in the nation. One that has a curriculum that puts his current performance on par with a lot of sophomores and juniors in college. And this kid is an exceptional leader. Has it built into the DNA. Seriously.
D) I haven't seen all the tape, and I wouldn't argue if you saw someone you liked better, especially if it was that kid from Bishop Gorman. But, what is the likelihood of ND getting anyone off your list? Let alone someone as accessable, with as many off the field skills, let alone one that you can take to the bank has a real college educational plan first?
E) And to boot, I can guarantee that I watched Jaylon Smith twice in high school, and have seen Dallas enough, that the differences between the two as juniors isn't that great.
F) As far as range, have you seen Dallas' lateral movement?
G) So I think things are moving forward. And things can only move so far forward. It is kind of like where the sales process is after the third objection is overcome. So I want to stand back and not speculate.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I've read every subscription article -interview with '18 recruit and all of them speak volumes about Elko, Lea, Long and Alexander and often say that Elston is a great or "one of the best in the country" recruiters. Many or most of them mention having heard from Kelly on the phone.
What I'm saying is, the ND staff is working way harder at recruiting it seems. They have a more aggressive, confident and organized approach, it seems.
I expect a great class. We're in it for some great players.

This is the most significant, and repworthy post in the thread.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

he was high on ND very early but im talking about a year ago...

Here is what his mom said months ago. Dallas had made a comment about liking a school with such a spiritual emphasis, and a clear plan for its students. After comments were added about the success that follows, she said, "Yes, but if you have the attitude you can make that happen at a lot of places."

Which I took to mean that they knew what they wanted and were taking a disciplined approach to it. Which is what I hoped for, for them. This family is a different situation entirely than most recruit's families.

To your point. Nobody knows anything. (Outside.) There are resources in this family to equip them with handling this process. When they get done, they will make their best decision. And the first thing is, not to get a bunch of pedestrians involved, from any quarter.