'18 MD DT PJ Mustipher (Penn State Verbal)

[BobbyMac]

I will bet all my Vbucks and suspend all my posting for 2017 (other than the congratulatory welcome aboard post) that Kelly can lose out the rest of the season and he will be on ND's sideline at the start of 2017 (....fired...not leave on his own terms.)

No need to puff up, I don't think he'll get fired this year. I'm just letting you know there are important people who've had enough and they get listened to.

 

[beryirish]

No need to puff up, I don't think he'll get fired this year. I'm just letting you know there are important people who've had enough and they get listened to.

Not puffing - just can't believe so many people want his head so so so fast.

He's changed to atmosphere around ND so much compared to what, for a lot of us our entire lives, have been used to.

We've gone through Davie-Willingham-(O'Leary)-Weis miserably.

ND finally got a coach that takes ND back to the national championship (one year ahead of schedule by his terms) and posts 8+ wins in his first whatever years as the FIRST ND coach to ever do so (think about that).

Kelly gets hit with players cheating, ineligible for grades, doing dumb shit, and get injured (fire longo). He still squeaked out the wins.

His offense this year has still been great getting points on the board (NC State's hurricane was legitimately the one time i was dumbfounded and pissed at the game plan).

His D has been atrocious. Steps have been made to correct this, starting with a new DC. But the D is still young and inexperienced.

This was the depth chart vs NC State

Studstill - starter - freshman
Love - starter - freshman
Pride - Cole backup - freshman
Vaughn - Love backup - freshman
Fertita - Studstill backup - freshman
Elliot - Tranquil backup - freshman

Coney and Morgan - 1st year starting and getting legit playing time.

The DL is their strongest point with experience and it's still peppered with inexperience.

I guarantee if Kelly went to another P5 team besides ND he'd be considered an elite coach by a lot of people on this board. Look at one of the options people are throwing around to replace him...Herman. To me, he's exactly Coach Kelly coming from Cincy with the awesome offenses he's put together.

ND has always been relevant in America but Kelly made ND relevant again in College Football.

Having one legitimate down year is crazy to me how people are jumping like Texas.

Now i just screwed myself for work today...thanks Crusader

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

The snap that lost us the game was the worst snap in the history of football as far as I'm concerned. Went about a yard and a half to the left. Didn't get off the line of scrimmage at all.

 

[Henges24]

Honestly, if the players are crying about his comments then they can GTFO because they are soft. We already have a soft enough football team. And for the ex-players crying, I'm glad they left because they were clearly soft.

This is FOOTBALL not women's water polo.

1) He didn't call Sam out by name
2) He said he was disappointed in the snapping, said it was very bad.
3) What did he say that was incorrect?
4) Toughen the F up

oh yeah...

5) Our football team is terrible primary because we are SOFT

Look what Harbaugh does with every single team he coaches. The guy in a maniac and turns his player's into psycho's on the football field. I get this weird imagination that Harbaugh is performing Black Magic before the game to get his players up. Hey, whatever it takes.

Of the 3 ex-players that are whining about Kelly..1 was a chronic cheater that shouldn't have been admitted to ND in the first place (Kelly bent the rules for him), the other should never have gotten a scholarship offer, and the other just couldn't make the cut of an already deep OL. They all obviously have something against them but none of them are considered "ND Men" so who cares what they have to say. Let's see Jaylon or the Martin brother or someone worth a damn say something about Kelly.

 

[beryirish]

Honestly, if the players are crying about his comments then they can GTFO because they are soft. We already have a soft enough football team. And for the ex-players crying, I'm glad they left because they were clearly soft.

This is FOOTBALL not women's water polo.

1) He didn't call Sam out by name
2) He said he was disappointed in the snapping, said it was very bad.
3) What did he say that was incorrect?
4) Toughen the F up

lol man i just watched this in the Olympics and they are relentless beasts.

 

[Still Irish.ca]

He's changed to atmosphere around ND so much compared to what, for a lot of us our entire lives, have been used to.

We've gone through Davie-Willingham-(O'Leary)-Weis miserably.

ND finally got a coach that takes ND back to the national championship (one year ahead of schedule by his terms) and posts 8+ wins in his first whatever years as the FIRST ND coach to ever do so (think about that).

Kelly gets hit with players cheating, ineligible for grades, doing dumb shit, and get injured (fire longo). He still squeaked out the wins.

His offense this year has still been great getting points on the board (NC State's hurricane was legitimately the one time i was dumbfounded and pissed at the game plan).

His D has been atrocious. Steps have been made to correct this, starting with a new DC. But the D is still young and inexperienced.

This was the depth chart vs NC State

Studstill - starter - freshman
Love - starter - freshman
Pride - Cole backup - freshman
Vaughn - Love backup - freshman
Fertita - Studstill backup - freshman
Elliot - Tranquil backup - freshman

Coney and Morgan - 1st year starting and getting legit playing time.

The DL is their strongest point with experience and it's still peppered with inexperience.

I guarantee if Kelly went to another P5 team besides ND he'd be considered an elite coach by a lot of people on this board. Look at one of the options people are throwing around to replace him...Herman. To me, he's exactly Coach Kelly coming from Cincy with the awesome offenses he's put together.

ND has always been relevant in America but Kelly made ND relevant again in College Football.

Having one legitimate down year is crazy to me how people are jumping like Texas.

All true.

Don't forget the training table, TURF, JUMBOTRON, recruiting upsurge although still a few misses. Could put those on Diaco's position profiling and Van Gorder's non recruiting. Losing Max and Devin hurt too. Youth gaining experience now will bode well for the future.

 

[Henges24]

lol man i just watched this in the Olympics and they are relentless beasts.

Maybe we can get some of ND's WWP team to try out for the football team to finish the year. Maybe we'll have a chance against Army then.

 

[ColinKSU]

The snap that lost us the game was the worst snap in the history of football as far as I'm concerned. Went about a yard and a half to the left. Didn't get off the line of scrimmage at all.

Agreed. That snap, as well as that snap where the ball somehow was snapped between the left guard's legs earlier in the game were two of the worst snaps I've seen in my entire life and the last one literally cost the team the game. If Kelly didn't say anything, and the media asked him about it after the game and he said he loved the snapping, everyone would be calling him an idiot.

I don't have a problem calling a spade a spade -- He didn't call the kid Hitler or something.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Not puffing - just can't believe so many people want his head so so so fast.

He's changed to atmosphere around ND so much compared to what, for a lot of us our entire lives, have been used to.

We've gone through Davie-Willingham-(O'Leary)-Weis miserably.

ND finally got a coach that takes ND back to the national championship (one year ahead of schedule by his terms) and posts 8+ wins in his first whatever years as the FIRST ND coach to ever do so (think about that).

Kelly gets hit with players cheating, ineligible for grades, doing dumb shit, and get injured (fire longo). He still squeaked out the wins.

His offense this year has still been great getting points on the board (NC State's hurricane was legitimately the one time i was dumbfounded and pissed at the game plan).

His D has been atrocious. Steps have been made to correct this, starting with a new DC. But the D is still young and inexperienced.

This was the depth chart vs NC State

Studstill - starter - freshman
Love - starter - freshman
Pride - Cole backup - freshman
Vaughn - Love backup - freshman
Fertita - Studstill backup - freshman
Elliot - Tranquil backup - freshman

Coney and Morgan - 1st year starting and getting legit playing time.

The DL is their strongest point with experience and it's still peppered with inexperience.

I guarantee if Kelly went to another P5 team besides ND he'd be considered an elite coach by a lot of people on this board. Look at one of the options people are throwing around to replace him...Herman. To me, he's exactly Coach Kelly coming from Cincy with the awesome offenses he's put together.

ND has always been relevant in America but Kelly made ND relevant again in College Football.

Having one legitimate down year is crazy to me how people are jumping like Texas.

Now i just screwed myself for work today...thanks Crusader

1) Herman is not Kelly. Kelly did not beat the likes of FSU and Oklahoma while at Cincy. He played 2 schools while at Cinci that are top level programs.....OU and VT. Lost both. Plus, Herman has more experience at big time schools since he had time at OSU. Kelly had nothing like that.

2) There are down years and then there is embarrassment. This is the latter. For all the freshman you listed.....who's ultimately to blame for having no other options but that? We can wring our hands and point to Bobby D and BVG and loathe their recruiting effort, but when push comes to shove, they didn't have a leader demanding more from them nor a leader having a contingency plan. It's all on Kelly. Don't let him hide behind the roster.

 

[Lepresean]

Honestly, if the players are crying about his comments then they can GTFO because they are soft. We already have a soft enough football team. And for the ex-players crying, I'm glad they left because they were clearly soft.

This is FOOTBALL not women's water polo.

1) He didn't call Sam out by name
2) He said he was disappointed in the snapping, said it was very bad.
3) What did he say that was incorrect?
4) Toughen the F up

oh yeah...

5) Our football team is terrible primary because we are SOFT

Look what Harbaugh does with every single team he coaches. The guy in a maniac and turns his player's into psycho's on the football field. I get this weird imagination that Harbaugh is performing Black Magic before the game to get his players up. Hey, whatever it takes.

Of the 3 ex-players that are whining about Kelly..1 was a chronic cheater that shouldn't have been admitted to ND in the first place (Kelly bent the rules for him), the other should never have gotten a scholarship offer, and the other just couldn't make the cut of an already deep OL. They all obviously have something against them but none of them are considered "ND Men" so who cares what they have to say. Let's see Jaylon or the Martin brother or someone worth a damn say something about Kelly.

Like berryirish said, water polo is a tough sport. USC's football team try to practice basic drills and couldn't keep up. I would take the mentality of a water polo player every day of the week.

I think the players need to be mentally tough, but that does not excuse Kelly's behavior. He continually fails to take the blame and always has a scapegoat. Whether it is injuries, youth, the other coaches, or now his players. Plenty of coaches can motivate a team without throwing the players under the bus in public. You keep that in house.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

So PJ, hes pretty cool

 

[beryirish]

1) Herman is not Kelly. Kelly did not beat the likes of FSU and Oklahoma while at Cincy. He played 2 schools while at Cinci that are top level programs.....OU and VT. Lost both. Plus, Herman has more experience at big time schools since he had time at OSU. Kelly had nothing like that.

2) There are down years and then there is embarrassment. This is the latter. For all the freshman you listed.....who's ultimately to blame for having no other options but that? We can wring our hands and point to Bobby D and BVG and loathe their recruiting effort, but when push comes to shove, they didn't have a leader demanding more from them nor a leader having a contingency plan. It's all on Kelly. Don't let him hide behind the roster.

OU and VT may be the top level programs that Cincy came across with him there...i'll even say Florida when he was gone but he did go 8-4 when playing ranked teams.

Who would be ultimately to blame for all the freshman?

It's Kelly's fault Studstill is playing because Redfield is an ass?
It's Kelly's fault that Butler broke his leg?
It's Kelly's fault that Crawford ruptured his achilles?
It's Kelly's fault that Watkins fractured his leg?
It's Kelly's fault that K. Russell left early for the NFL?

 

[Henges24]

OU and VT may be the top level programs that Cincy came across with him there...i'll even say Florida when he was gone but he did go 8-4 when playing ranked teams.

Who would be ultimately to blame for all the freshman?

It's Kelly's fault Studstill is playing because Redfield is an ass?
It's Kelly's fault that Butler broke his leg?
It's Kelly's fault that Crawford ruptured his achilles?
It's Kelly's fault that Watkins fractured his leg?
It's Kelly's fault that K. Russell left early for the NFL?

No, but it's Longo's.

#FireLongo - back to 10 win seasons

 

[Ndaccountant]

OU and VT may be the top level programs that Cincy came across with him there...i'll even say Florida when he was gone but he did go 8-4 when playing ranked teams.

Who would be ultimately to blame for all the freshman?

It's Kelly's fault Studstill is playing because Redfield is an ass?
It's Kelly's fault that Butler broke his leg?
It's Kelly's fault that Crawford ruptured his achilles?
It's Kelly's fault that Watkins fractured his leg?
It's Kelly's fault that K. Russell left early for the NFL?

1) Russell didn't "leave early".....if he hadn't gotten suspended, he would not have eligibility this year. Kelly would have (or should have) been recruiting for him not to be here.

2) Redfield may have been an ass, but he is a senior and the best option we have after that is a true freshman? Nothing against Studstill, but if he is the next best thing, then we had years of piss poor recruiting and development (which is true).

3) I think it is Kelly's fault that we have 1 junior S (Dru) and 1 junior CB (Watkins) on the roster.

4) Butler.....even if he were healthy, wasn't developed to be a contributor. He was liability when he did play.

Between development and recruiting, Kelly made this bed. Call it being "too hands off", call it arrogance for thinking he could make up for it with freshman, call it whatever you want. If you think his defensive recruiting and development (especially in the secondary) has been satisfactory, I don't know what to tell you. 2013+ we have not seen anything but regression on defense.

 

[irishff1014]

OU and VT may be the top level programs that Cincy came across with him there...i'll even say Florida when he was gone but he did go 8-4 when playing ranked teams.

Who would be ultimately to blame for all the freshman?

It's Kelly's fault Studstill is playing because Redfield is an ass?
It's Kelly's fault that Butler broke his leg?
It's Kelly's fault that Crawford ruptured his achilles?
It's Kelly's fault that Watkins fractured his leg?
It's Kelly's fault that K. Russell left early for the NFL?

It's Kelly's fault they don't have quality depth though. We aren't the only team that goes through this.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

It's Kelly's fault they don't have quality depth though. We aren't the only team that goes through this.

Exactly. The personal fable here can be too much sometimes. 7 years is more than enough time to have depth.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Exactly. The personal fable here can be too much sometimes. 7 years is more than enough time to have depth.

100% agree. And I promise you, Butler was higher ranked than any player on NCS roster was. Same guy everyone says was a liability and not a contributor. Go figure.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

Like berryirish said, water polo is a tough sport. USC's football team try to practice basic drills and couldn't keep up. I would take the mentality of a water polo player every day of the week.

I think the players need to be mentally tough, but that does not excuse Kelly's behavior. He continually fails to take the blame and always has a scapegoat. Whether it is injuries, youth, the other coaches, or now his players. Plenty of coaches can motivate a team without throwing the players under the bus in public. You keep that in house.

I agree with this.
If you ask around the water polo communities, you'll hear that the women are dirtier and tougher than the men - which is saying a lot.

 

[bluengold4732]

100% agree. And I promise you, Butler was higher ranked than any player on NCS roster was. Same guy everyone says was a liability and not a contributor. Go figure.

Kentavius Street was a former 5 star I think he may of ended up a 4* but he was a top 100 player so they had that going for them

 

[GBdomer]

In town this weekend pre Freeman

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Please no bad snaps Sam, so coach doesn't go all Lou Holtz face mask grabbing.


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[BobbyMac]

Updated R&R's - 12-28-16

247 Comp..... ..... #5 DT ..... #56 OA ..... .9690 rating
247................ ..... #5 DT ..... #36 OA ...... 95
Rivals............. ..... #7 DT ..... #122 OA .... 5.9
Scout.............. ..... #8 DT ..... #93 OA
ESPN............... ..... #4 DT ..... #62 OA ...... 84

Has slipped a little in his R&R's. In the beginning was a 5 star or borderline 4-5. Now a solid, upper tier 4.

Hasn't released his Jr. year Highlight film yet. Interestingly, half of the individual game films from this year he has posted are exclusively him playing OG.

His school doesn't compile stats on Maxpreps so nothing to report there either.

Lastly, he hasn't received any CB's since March '16 when a Kentucky guy CB'd him to Tennessee. The other 5 remain with the Irish including Wiltfong & Loy.

 

[stlnd01]

So what's going on with his recruiting? Are people done being butthurt about BK mentioning that Sam had a shitty game once? Do we have any shot with PJ?
Because this kid seems like someone we need who we should be able to reel in.

 

[GBdomer]

So what's going on with his recruiting? Are people done being butthurt about BK mentioning that Sam had a shitty game once? Do we have any shot with PJ?
Because this kid seems like someone we need who we should be able to reel in.

I'm almost positive if there was something to report it would have been reported. He's not even a senior yet.

 

[BobbyMac]

So what's going on with his recruiting? Are people done being butthurt about BK mentioning that Sam had a shitty game once? Do we have any shot with PJ?
Because this kid seems like someone we need who we should be able to reel in.

I'm almost positive if there was something to report it would have been reported. He's not even a senior yet.

Best news right now is that no one else seems to have any traction, at least publicly.

 

[ThePiombino]

Best news right now is that no one else seems to have any traction, at least publicly.

They never do...until they do. And they almost always do, at least when it comes to stud D-lineman we're after.

 

[BobbyMac]

Here's PJ's Jr film. It's fun to compare this to Deontre Thomas'. Thomas is violent, PJ is smooth. PJ is playing in one of the best HS conferences in the country. Deontre is a man among boys. PJ's 4 inches taller/longer and 20lbs+ bigger too. PJ gets immediate leverage and just pushes through. What is it with these wrestlers and leverage?

I know the staff is busy with 2017 but if I were Kelly, job #1 for Elko/Elston would have been get to the Mustipher's while Sam was home over break and get PJ's public commitment. Make him understand that he's as important of a recruit as Phil J... the defensive anchor of the class. I would have gone full court press on PJ and then Devin O'Rourke to get them to commit together as close to Elko's announcement as possible. PJ's gonna end up here anyways, better to be apart of the building along with Minister of Propaganda Stepp than to wait until the Army Bowl to pick a worthless hat.

That would've given all the anti-ND boo birds something other to talk about than the fallen sky. It would've helped with the late '17 offers to see new momentum under Elko/Lea/Long/Alexander and it reignites the '18 class which with those two, would be in perfect position for a Top 5 haul.


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[NDinBoston]

Notre Dame Fighting Irish Crystal Ball Target Predictions

Two CBs for ND today. One from an OSU analyst.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Notre Dame Fighting Irish Crystal Ball Target Predictions

Two CBs for ND today. One from an OSU analyst.

Nice. Wish we had 25 scholarships this year. Great players interested in ND. Things always change though.
We need W's

 

[GBdomer]

We probably have about 22-23 this year. I don't think it would be to hard to hit 25 it we had too. Not like we will ever get close to 85 so why worry