'18 DC CB DJ Brown (Notre Dame Signee)

[connor_in]

Are we now saying three star players never develop into college starters much less NFL players?

 

[stlnd01]

People literally get drunk on "trusting the process."

Another way of saying it is, being indecisive and having your decisions ultimately made by other people who chose first.

Or didn’t, in this case. Brown’s options improved dramatically when he decided not to sign with Virginia in December. And at this point it makes very little difference to anyone if he commits publicly today or a week from now. Let the kid live.

 

[stlnd01]

Are we now saying three star players never develop into college starters much less NFL players?

Yes. Also apparently that nobody cares about their NSD signing announcements.

 

[connor_in]

Yes. Also apparently that nobody cares about their NSD signing announcements.

Got it!

 

[NewBrunswickIrish]

Uhhhhhh if he didn't hold out as long as he did, ND and Ohio State and Clemson wouldn't even have been options for him. Explain to me what is wrong with someone taking their time?

I think we'll start to see more mid-tier players who only have offers from smaller schools start to hold off signing until the February period going forward. Tons of big schools jump on guys after their first choice is gone like ND usually does near the signing period. Maybe a kid that is committed to Louisiana Tech holds off signing until February because they are hoping that LSU offers them as a second choice. It's not like the second tier school will drop them if they wait until February.

 

[dublinirish]

I think we'll start to see more mid-tier players who only have offers from smaller schools start to hold off signing until the February period going forward. Tons of big schools jump on guys after their first choice is gone like ND usually does near the signing period. Maybe a kid that is committed to Louisiana Tech holds off signing until February because they are hoping that LSU offers them as a second choice. It's not like the second tier school will drop them if they wait until February.

IMO unless you are at your dream school (high P5) there is no reason to commit early at the first signing day.

 

[snoopdog]

Are we now saying three star players never develop into college starters much less NFL players?

It's the way ND slow played Brown which gives pause to his potential upside.

He may end up being the greatest Defensive Back that has ever played the game....but as of now...he was considered the guy ND slow played while the higher rated 3 stars made up their mind.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Or didn’t, in this case. Brown’s options improved dramatically when he decided not to sign with Virginia in December. And at this point it makes very little difference to anyone if he commits publicly today or a week from now. Let the kid live.

Huh? I wasn't arguing that you can't get better offers if you wait. In fact, waiting for a better offer is the one really good reason to wait.

What doesn't make sense to me is getting the offer you want, but not be prepared to jump on it, one way or the other. Brown missed an opportunity to commit to ND before, and could again if Boykin surprises people.

Sometimes, you have to make up your mind and pull the trigger. QBs don't talk about "trusting the process," they pick the school so someone else doesn't. OLinemen too.

I seriously doubt that whatever is sold to you be some school's CB coach 3 days before national signing day is so important that you were smart to wait to hear it. Waiting until the last minute is not some sign of patience in every case.

 

[Irishnuke]

IMO unless you are at your dream school (high P5) there is no reason to commit early at the first signing day.

Or if your mind is made up. It makes perfect sense for guys that commit to non P5 schools or lower level ones to not sign during the ESP because you're waiting for better offers. Reserve yourself a spot somewhere and wait for the big boys to come knocking. If they don't then you still have your spot.

 

[IrishLax]

Huh? I wasn't arguing that you can't get better offers if you wait. In fact, waiting for a better offer is the one really good reason to wait.

What doesn't make sense to me is getting the offer you want, but not be prepared to jump on it, one way or the other. Brown missed an opportunity to commit to ND before, and could again if Boykin surprises people.

Sometimes, you have to make up your mind and pull the trigger. QBs don't talk about "trusting the process," they pick the school so someone else doesn't. OLinemen too.

Oh come on man... you know that's a bunch of malarkey. After receiving an offer he scheduled a visit, and then through no fault of his own had that cancelled on him by ND because the coaches thought they had filled up.

Do you expect a kid to know with certitude where he wants to go to school without ever stepping foot on the campus? Or building a relationship with players/coaches and evaluating all of his educational opportunities?

I seriously doubt that whatever is sold to you be some school's CB coach 3 days before national signing day is so important that you were smart to wait to hear it. Waiting until the last minute is not some sign of patience in every case.

Every single kid ND is still recruiting has a spot at the end if they want it, so no one at risk of missing the train by waiting to NSD. And he'll likely tell coaches privately once he truly has his mind made up, possibly tomorrow at the in-home.

To be clear, Brown's approach to recruiting has literally been about patience and objectivity. He didn't sign in ESP because he wanted to make sure he could evaluate all of his options... he thought his stock could rise based on his senior season and All-American game performances. He was correct, receiving a lot more interest/offers over the past month and change.

Then he took all of the visits he could to all of the places he could be interested in... mostly high academic school like Cal, Northwestern, and Notre Dame... after being committed to another top academic school in UVA. He considered taking additional visits this weekend, which is part of the reason he was in no rush to pull the trigger somewhere... the other part of the reason is that he visited ND a mere 4 days ago and hasn't even had his in-home with the coaches.

 

[Luckylucci]

Oh come on man... you know that's a bunch of malarkey. After receiving an offer he scheduled a visit, and then through no fault of his own had that cancelled on him by ND because the coaches thought they had filled up.

Do you expect a kid to know with certitude where he wants to go to school without ever stepping foot on the campus? Or building a relationship with players/coaches and evaluating all of his educational opportunities?



Every single kid ND is still recruiting has a spot at the end if they want it, so no one at risk of missing the train by waiting to NSD. And he'll likely tell coaches privately once he truly has his mind made up, possibly tomorrow at the in-home.

To be clear, Brown's approach to recruiting has literally been about patience and objectivity. He didn't sign in ESP because he wanted to make sure he could evaluate all of his options... he thought his stock could rise based on his senior season and All-American game performances. He was correct, receiving a lot more interest/offers over the past month and change.

Then he took all of the visits he could to all of the places he could be interested in... mostly high academic school like Cal, Northwestern, and Notre Dame... after being committed to another top academic school in UVA. He considered taking additional visits this weekend, which is part of the reason he was in no rush to pull the trigger somewhere... the other part of the reason is that he visited ND a mere 4 days ago and hasn't even had his in-home with the coaches.

This.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Oh come on man... you know that's a bunch of malarkey. After receiving an offer he scheduled a visit, and then through no fault of his own had that cancelled on him by ND because the coaches thought they had filled up.

Do you expect a kid to know with certitude where he wants to go to school without ever stepping foot on the campus? Or building a relationship with players/coaches and evaluating all of his educational opportunities?



Every single kid ND is still recruiting has a spot at the end if they want it, so no one at risk of missing the train by waiting to NSD. And he'll likely tell coaches privately once he truly has his mind made up, possibly tomorrow at the in-home.

To be clear, Brown's approach to recruiting has literally been about patience and objectivity. He didn't sign in ESP because he wanted to make sure he could evaluate all of his options... he thought his stock could rise based on his senior season and All-American game performances. He was correct, receiving a lot more interest/offers over the past month and change.

Then he took all of the visits he could to all of the places he could be interested in... mostly high academic school like Cal, Northwestern, and Notre Dame... after being committed to another top academic school in UVA. He considered taking additional visits this weekend, which is part of the reason he was in no rush to pull the trigger somewhere... the other part of the reason is that he visited ND a mere 4 days ago and hasn't even had his in-home with the coaches.

Let me clear, I am not picking on Brown. But, I don't agree with the so-called patient approach, when spots are limited. If coaches told him they would take Boykin and him, that's obviously different. I am assuming they wouldn't.

You need to be prepared to pull the trigger before the other kid. If you can't, and you lose your spot, I don't see what is so objective about chalking it up to destiny.

And I don't think it is wise to base your decision on sale's pitches from salesmen who are trying to make their quotas. I think the vast majority of objective information you can get is available on your computer; coaches can leave before you even get there.

Personally, I think you gather up the information about the school and the program before hand. That's what your summer before your senior year is for. You rank the schools you want to go to. You visit and see if you like the players, and see what they say about the program, then you make your decision.

 

[stlnd01]

My understanding was that it wasn’t Brown’s choice to hold off on a verbal commitment so much as Notre Dame slow-playing him while they pursued other corners. Then he made the (probably wise) choice to not sign with UVA and see what other options emerged.

Either way, I think the way this cycle has played out you’ll see a lot more mid-level recruits like him hold off on signing in the ESP. Waiting paid off for Brown and Eason and Palmer and Malik Langham and others.

 

[IrishLax]

My understanding was that it wasn’t Brown’s choice to hold off on a verbal commitment so much as Notre Dame slow-playing him while they pursued other corners. Then he made the (probably wise) choice to not sign with UVA and see what other options emerged.

Either way, I think the way this cycle has played out you’ll see a lot more mid-level recruits like him hold off on signing in the ESP. Waiting paid off for Brown and Eason and Palmer and Malik Langham and others.

Correct. And what's so crazy is that they weren't even "slow playing" him like you traditionally think about it (examples being guys like Jordan Westerkamp or Mac Hippenhammer). Usually that means someone is on your radar but you like other guys better so you put them on the back burner until the end.

Brown popped up late for basically everyone not named UVA. He got a bunch of offers in the span of a couple weeks.

ND happened to already be in on guys like Kyler Gordon, Tariq Bracy, and Julius Irvin... then they offered Boykin, and then later they offered Brown right around the time Brown released his senior film (as did lots of schools within the week or so after ND offered). They fully planned to take his commitment at the point they offered... but then between the point of offering and his scheduled visit, Griffifth and Bracy both told the staff they were in. And so did Boykin, and Kyler Gordon gave ND a lot of reason to think he was coming, and Julius Irvin was set to sign with ND in the ESP. So in the span of a week and change they basically had 5 DBs claim spots and had to be like "oh shoot, I know we just offered but we actually just filled up"... because at the time they weren't even sure they really wanted to take 5x more DBs they were really hoping to add 3-4 more to what they had.

So when 3 out of the 5 went back on what they had told ND, that meant ND had 1-2 more spots to fill... and had to circle back to Brown. ND always gets burned in these kinds of situations. Magically, this time it worked out for everyone involved. I'm guessing it's because of how fluid the situation was, how fast it moved, and how honest Notre Dame was.

All of the above went down over the course of about 3-4 weeks. Insane to think about when some guys get recruited for a year plus and don't have half of that happen in their recruitment. And Brown would've gotten none of these other options if he said "eff it" and signed with UVA in the ESP rather than remaining patient.

 

[BeatSC]

I will say he must be confident in his abilities 3 stars or otherwise. As long as he pulls off a good school choice he looks like the guy to bring with you next time you negotiate a new car buy. More power to him but depending on the timing he could miss out on one of the big boys. I'm guessing he is paying very close attention to what is going on around him.

 

[IrishLax]

I will say he must be confident in his abilities 3 stars or otherwise. As long as he pulls off a good school choice he looks like the guy to bring with you next time you negotiate a new car buy. More power to him but depending on the timing he could miss out on one of the big boys. I'm guessing he is paying very close attention to what is going on around him.

He has multiple offers in hand and literally everywhere he wants to sign has told him he will have a spot on NSD. So how would giving a verbal commitment now change his status quo whatsoever?

 

[Luckylucci]

I will say he must be confident in his abilities 3 stars or otherwise. As long as he pulls off a good school choice he looks like the guy to bring with you next time you negotiate a new car buy. More power to him but depending on the timing he could miss out on one of the big boys. I'm guessing he is paying very close attention to what is going on around him.

He’s not going to miss out on anything. He chose his final 3. After eliminating OSU. And then eliminated Cal. He’s got a spot at either ND or NW, his final 2 choices.

 

[fightingirish26]

He’s not going to miss out on anything. He chose his final 3. After eliminating OSU. And then eliminated Cal. He’s got a spot at either ND or NW, his final 2 choices.

When did he eliminate Cal?

 

[Luckylucci]

When did he eliminate Cal?

https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Board/102374/Contents/DJ-Brown-update-114520747

Post from Wiltfong, source told him Cal was eliminated.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I'd be shocked if he didn't sign with us closer to home, playing time available, playing on the big state and better chance than the other two to win a title

 

[Irish#1]

When did he eliminate Cal?

About the time he hit Missouri while driving to Cal and realized he wasn't even half way there yet!

 

[Domina Nostra]

Correct. And what's so crazy is that they weren't even "slow playing" him like you traditionally think about it (examples being guys like Jordan Westerkamp or Mac Hippenhammer). Usually that means someone is on your radar but you like other guys better so you put them on the back burner until the end.

Brown popped up late for basically everyone not named UVA. He got a bunch of offers in the span of a couple weeks.

ND happened to already be in on guys like Kyler Gordon, Tariq Bracy, and Julius Irvin... then they offered Boykin, and then later they offered Brown right around the time Brown released his senior film (as did lots of schools within the week or so after ND offered). They fully planned to take his commitment at the point they offered... but then between the point of offering and his scheduled visit, Griffifth and Bracy both told the staff they were in. And so did Boykin, and Kyler Gordon gave ND a lot of reason to think he was coming, and Julius Irvin was set to sign with ND in the ESP. So in the span of a week and change they basically had 5 DBs claim spots and had to be like "oh shoot, I know we just offered but we actually just filled up"... because at the time they weren't even sure they really wanted to take 5x more DBs they were really hoping to add 3-4 more to what they had.

So when 3 out of the 5 went back on what they had told ND, that meant ND had 1-2 more spots to fill... and had to circle back to Brown. ND always gets burned in these kinds of situations. Magically, this time it worked out for everyone involved. I'm guessing it's because of how fluid the situation was, how fast it moved, and how honest Notre Dame was.

All of the above went down over the course of about 3-4 weeks. Insane to think about when some guys get recruited for a year plus and don't have half of that happen in their recruitment. And Brown would've gotten none of these other options if he said "eff it" and signed with UVA in the ESP rather than remaining patient.

Again, it complelty changes things if he was told he has a spot no matter what.

But as his commiting to UVA to secure a spot. . . I guess that’s patience, but it’s the opposite of what we mean by patient in the other context. If there is a strategic reason to do that, it’s because spots can fill up.

So if spots can fill up, it makes sense to be ready to pounce when the opportunity arises and make sure someone else doesn’t beat you to the punch.

 

[IrishLax]

Again, it complelty changes things if he was told he has a spot no matter what.

But as his commiting to UVA to secure a spot. . . I guess that’s patience, but it’s the opposite of what we mean by patient in the other context. If there is a strategic reason to do that, it’s because spots can fill up.

So if spots can fill up, it makes sense to be ready to pounce when the opportunity arises.

From what I've heard, he has been told that by the staff.

 

[Domina Nostra]

From what I've heard, he has been told that by the staff.

Yeah, I’ve been reading that their is a chance they get Boykin and Brown. I would love that.

I’m already very tempted to push Bracey or Wilkins over to offense. Wilkins reminds me of a Matthias Farley, who can fill any spot.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GOD. COUNTRY. NOTRE DAME.☘️ COMMITTED & SIGNED. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoIrish</a> <a href="https://t.co/mjlkJfxDxK">pic.twitter.com/mjlkJfxDxK</a></p>— DJ Brown (@DeeJayyy___) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeeJayyy___/status/961223248477347840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Kaneyoufeelit]

 

[Johannes]

 

[BobbyMac]

BOOM!

Glad they got one of my summer picks out of him, Palmer and Boykin.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Excellent pick up. Irish doing work! Let's get Keys and Patterson.

 

[ThePiombino]

BOOM!

Glad they got one of my summer picks out of him, Palmer and Boykin.

Boykin ship 100% sailed?

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