'17 IN QB Hunter Johnson (Northwestern Transfer)

[IrishLion]

Do you know the definition of insanity?

I mean, Tennessee is only one year behind where ND was during BK's rebuilding project, and even BK himself said that the Natty appearance in '12 was a year ahead of schedule.

If Tennessee only wins 8 again next year, that's a problem. But Jones is going into year 4, and was in charge of rebuilding a program that might have been worse off than ND was when BK got here. I see the parallels, and I don't think it's outrageous to think that they might keep improving and can take charge of the East for a few years.

Does that excuse Guarantano's comments? No, because even if Tennessee can win 10+ per year, that doesn't mean they're winning championships over the West.

 

[greyhammer90]

So you disagree. Congrats. What do you think?

I think it's ridiculous for TN fans to keep making that same tired prediction every year.

"Oh but we barely lost to good teams, we just need to learn how to win!"

Ok let's see who you beat:
Bowling Green (10-3) best win against Maryland
Western Carolina. (Literally couldn't find their score by Googling)
Georgia (9-3)
Kentucky (5-7)
South Carolina (3-9)
North Texas (1-11)
Missouri (5-7)
Vanderbilt(4-8)

"Ok but that Georgia game!"

Georgia's only win this year against a team with a winning record was Georgia Southern. You guys beat them in a come from behind nail biter at home with their star player having been injured that very day.

 

[greyhammer90]

I mean, Tennessee is only one year behind where ND was during BK's rebuilding project, and even BK himself said that the Natty appearance in '12 was a year ahead of schedule.

If Tennessee only wins 8 again next year, that's a problem. But Jones is going into year 4, and was in charge of rebuilding a program that might have been worse off than ND was when BK got here. I see the parallels, and I don't think it's outrageous to think that they might keep improving and can take charge of the East for a few years.

Does that excuse Guarantano's comments? No, because even if Tennessee can win 10+ per year, that doesn't mean they're winning championships over the West.

My dead grandmother could take charge of the east right now. That doesn't make you a good team. (Though Tennessee has still failed miserably doing that.)

 

[T Town Tommy]

You are who your record says you are.

I agree with that. But dismissing the Vols before next year may not be wise.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'm not a Vols fan. I follow recruiting and I follow scores. My opinion is 10-2 or 11-1 next year. Their schedule sets up for them.

Would you like to give a prediction on the Vols 2016 record?

 

[IrishLion]

My dead grandmother could take charge of the east right now. That doesn't make you a good team. (Though Tennessee has still failed miserably doing that.)

By that logic, they could win 11 games and you'd still refute that they're a good team lol.

I'm just saying that it's a bit strong to break out the old "definition of insanity" argument, especially when Tennessee's record has gotten better each year under Jones.

 

[greyhammer90]

I'm not a Vols fan. I follow recruiting and I follow scores. My opinion is 10-2 or 11-1 next year. Their schedule sets up for them.

Would you like to give a prediction on the Vols 2016 record?

My point is that we've been saying that for years. "So much talent, favorable schedule, etc." Maybe you're right, maybe they'll finally stumble their way to a good season. I'm tired of the annual pre-season Tennessee circle jerk. I'm in show me mode.

 

[T Town Tommy]

My point is that we've been saying that for years. "So much talent, favorable schedule, etc." Maybe you're right, maybe they'll finally stumble their way to a good season. I'm tired of the annual pre-season Tennessee circle jerk. I'm in show me mode.

I really thought the Vol hype before this season was a year too early. They have the talent as they did push both Oklahoma and Bama to the edge. But I agree with you in the fact that the heat should be on them next season. Time to either rise above the talk or stay the same average program.

 

[IrishLion]

Time to either rise above the talk or stay the same average program.

That actually reminds me a lot of ND this year (and last).

 

[BobbyMac]

My point is that we've been saying that for years. "So much talent, favorable schedule, etc." Maybe you're right, maybe they'll finally stumble their way to a good season. I'm tired of the annual pre-season Tennessee circle jerk. I'm in show me mode.

I've never been part of a Vols circle jerk. What is your prediction for the Vols in 2016?

 

[greyhammer90]

I've never been part of a Vols circle jerk.

You are now my friend! Welcome aboard, everything floats down here.

I think they probably settle with an 8 win season and probably lose the East to a resurgent Georgia. People talk about how young the team is, favorable schedule next year, rinse, repeat.

 

[BobbyMac]

You are now my friend! Welcome aboard, everything floats down here.

I think they probably settle with an 8 win season and probably lose the East to a resurgent Georgia. People talk about how young the team is, favorable schedule next year, rinse, repeat.

The same thing was true of the Irish... until it wasn't. We'll see what happens I guess,

 

[Irish#1]

I agree with that. But dismissing the Vols before next year may not be wise.

I'm not dismissing the Vols and in fact like to see them do well. I think I'm objective enough to make a fair assessment. I saw about three games this year and you could tell they are young and have a lot to learn. They may improve, but I think it may be only by one game, maybe two. Sorry IYJ.

 

[Irish YJ]

I mean, Tennessee is only one year behind where ND was during BK's rebuilding project, and even BK himself said that the Natty appearance in '12 was a year ahead of schedule.

If Tennessee only wins 8 again next year, that's a problem. But Jones is going into year 4, and was in charge of rebuilding a program that might have been worse off than ND was when BK got here. I see the parallels, and I don't think it's outrageous to think that they might keep improving and can take charge of the East for a few years.

Does that excuse Guarantano's comments? No, because even if Tennessee can win 10+ per year, that doesn't mean they're winning championships over the West.

TN was in much worse shape when Jones got there. Tooly left them with no talent. Lame Kitten left them with no morale. At least CW left offense and Manti.

I think it's ridiculous for TN fans to keep making that same tired prediction every year.

"Oh but we barely lost to good teams, we just need to learn how to win!"

Ok let's see who you beat:
Bowling Green (10-3) best win against Maryland
Western Carolina. (Literally couldn't find their score by Googling)
Georgia (9-3)
Kentucky (5-7)
South Carolina (3-9)
North Texas (1-11)
Missouri (5-7)
Vanderbilt(4-8)

"Ok but that Georgia game!"

Georgia's only win this year against a team with a winning record was Georgia Southern. You guys beat them in a come from behind nail biter at home with their star player having been injured that very day.

One could look at our schedule and scrutinize as well. We've gone a long way (with the talking heads and committee) based on our quality losses.... and even those quality losses could be scrutinized. Is Clemson rally the real deal. Who have they played? Stanford could be questioned as well winning a pretty down PAC12.

My prediction... Clemson will get beat by 14 against the 4th ranked team. If they somehow do make it past OK, Bama will jail sex them.

I'm not a Vols fan. I follow recruiting and I follow scores. My opinion is 10-2 or 11-1 next year. Their schedule sets up for them.

Would you like to give a prediction on the Vols 2016 record?

They stumble twice IMO.

 

[johnnycando]

I actually think Clemson matches up very well against Bama, whereas Oklahoma is a team used to playing higher octane offenses.

Spread offenses, if you will.

Bama has historically had issues with mobile QBs.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

I actually think Clemson matches up very well against Bama, whereas Oklahoma is a team used to playing higher octane offenses.

Spread offenses, if you will.

Bama has historically had issues with mobile QBs.

Just my humble opinion.

Which is why two years ago, once Oklahoma got the quick lead forcing Bama to throw the ball, they pulled off the victory. This allowed Oklahoma's speed rushers to take advantage of Bama's mediocre pass protection, and they pulled off the victory.

We learned in 2012 trying to play Bama's game is a loosing proposition 99% of the time, they're just too athletic and deep. It's hard to do but if you can get them in shootout, you have a fighting chance.

 

[KPENN]

Clemson picked up a commitment from 2017 4 qb Chase Brice yesterday.

Chase Brice, Grayson, Pro-Style Quarterback

 

[Wingman Ray]

I'm not a Vols fan. I follow recruiting and I follow scores. My opinion is 10-2 or 11-1 next year. Their schedule sets up for them.

Would you like to give a prediction on the Vols 2016 record?

You have got to be out of your mind.

Even with the pathetic OOC that the SEC has year in, year out, that guarantees them 4 easy wins, TN will never be 10-2. Granted their schedule in 2016 is terribly bad. They dont play a team with a pulse outside of AL and maybe Ga. FL is going to a major bowl off the strength of the mighty SEC east. Go ask FSU how good FL is.

I cant believe anyone is talking TN as a good team. I wish ND had them on their schedule next year for the easy win. Heck, I bet Navy would roll their candyasses.

 

[NDRock]

You have got to be out of your mind.

Even with the pathetic OOC that the SEC has year in, year out, that guarantees them 4 easy wins, TN will never be 10-2. Granted their schedule in 2016 is terribly bad. They dont play a team with a pulse outside of AL and maybe Ga. FL is going to a major bowl off the strength of the mighty SEC east. Go ask FSU how good FL is.

I cant believe anyone is talking TN as a good team. I wish ND had them on their schedule next year for the easy win. Heck, I bet Navy would roll their candyasses.

UT usually plays one tough OOC game a year. The last two years it was Oklahoma, before that Oregon, and UCLA and even us in 04' and 05'. The other three games are usually guaranteed wins.

 

[ColinKSU]

Clemson picked up a commitment from 2017 4 qb Chase Brice yesterday.

Chase Brice, Grayson, Pro-Style Quarterback

So how long until Hunter decommits from Clemson?

 

[beryirish]

So how long until Hunter decommits from Clemson?

haven't you heard the news...he's going to A&M

 

[BobbyMac]

You have got to be out of your mind.

Even with the pathetic OOC that the SEC has year in, year out, that guarantees them 4 easy wins, TN will never be 10-2. Granted their schedule in 2016 is terribly bad. They dont play a team with a pulse outside of AL and maybe Ga. FL is going to a major bowl off the strength of the mighty SEC east. Go ask FSU how good FL is.

I cant believe anyone is talking TN as a good team. I wish ND had them on their schedule next year for the easy win. Heck, I bet Navy would roll their candyasses.

You can have your opinion. That's cool. Of course, you only have an opinion about my opinion. You don't have the chest to throw up a prediction of your own.

Next, you said, "I bet Navy would roll their candy a$$es". Neither playoff team, Bama or OU could beat the Vols by a TD in regulation, Florida and Arkansas won late by a combined 5 points.

...and Navy is gonna ROLL them you say.

Who's lost their mind?

 

[Irish YJ]

You can have your opinion. That's cool. Of course, you only have an opinion about my opinion. You don't have the chest to throw up a prediction of your own.

Next, you said, "I bet Navy would roll their candy a$$es". Neither playoff team, Bama or OU could beat the Vols by a TD in regulation, Florida and Arkansas won late by a combined 5 points.

...and Navy is gonna ROLL them you say.

Who's lost their mind?

yup. anyone could go through any of the top 25's schedules and make a case for XX and question YY. 4 losses.... one could say the following about each...

OK - TN up 17-3 with less than 9 minutes to go, and led with under a minute..... Fell apart. Lost in double OT to a playoff team.

Bama - TN lead with under 3 minutes to go on the road. Henry (Heisman winner) drives to a win. Another top 4 playoff team.

FL - First, FL was playing well until they lost their starting QB, and Harris (horrible) took over. At that point, the Gator's wheels fell off and they were not the same team (zero offense). It's not TN's fault the FL QB took an over the counter GNC supplement.... TN lead by 13 with 10 minutes go. Again, led with under 2 minutes to go... Fell apart again... But not a horrible loss on the road to a team at the time, was improving every week. Also keep in mind FL later, with WG at QB destroyed #3 Miss 38-10..

Ark - TN up 14-0 at on time. Fell apart again... psychological loss IMO (FL loss hangover and the fact they had let 2 previous 14+ pt leads slip away)... definitely worst loss, and was at home. Ark however finished strong the second half of the season. Also, Ark was originally a top 25 team. No excuses on this one.

Again, we can slice and dice anyone's schedule, but to say TN doesn't play any OOC, or is horrible, is just not informed. Hell our schedule could be scrutinized just as easy.... regarding OOC.... TN actually has played home and home with Oregon, OK, ND, and UCLA, and Cal in the last 10-12 years. Proof is in the pudding, so we'll see in the next 2-3 years...

 

[GBdomer]

Nothing really exciting but I guess Hunter Johnson was not a fan of BK

per Loy

Sucks to miss out on the number 1 QB in state but he will light it up at Clemson so good luck to the kid

 

[rtrn2glory]

Very gunner Kiel feel too me the more I think about it.

Only reason I could see him not feeling BK is the fact that he coaches the QBs pretty hard and that might not of appealed to him too much

 

[GBdomer]

Very gunner Kiel feel too me the more I think about it.

Only reason I could see him not feeling BK is the fact that he coaches the QBs pretty hard and that might not of appealed to him too much

Also BK hasn't produced an NFL QB since he's been at ND. While Dabo has had Tajh Boyd who was extremely successful and Deshaun Watson will be the first QB off the board. He committed before Kizer blew up so BK will have Kizer in the league so maybe he just didn't fit BK's offense or wasn't buying his pitch. If Sanford was the head coach he would have committed to ND last year

 

[BobbyMac]

Nothing really exciting but I guess Hunter Johnson was not a fan of BK

per Loy

Sucks to miss out on the number 1 QB in state but he will light it up at Clemson so good luck to the kid

That might be the oldest news update on a 7 month dead thread in history. Have you been in your parent's medicine cabinet?

But I thank you for bumping this gem so I can put Wingnut Ray on blast:

You have got to be out of your mind.

Even with the pathetic OOC that the SEC has year in, year out, that guarantees them 4 easy wins, TN will never be 10-2. Granted their schedule in 2016 is terribly bad. They dont play a team with a pulse outside of AL and maybe Ga. FL is going to a major bowl off the strength of the mighty SEC east. Go ask FSU how good FL is.

I cant believe anyone is talking TN as a good team. I wish ND had them on their schedule next year for the easy win. Heck, I bet Navy would roll their candyasses.

I'm out of my mind... and so is Tilman Fertitta.

This from the Golden Nugget:

Clemson -- 10 (-12o over, EVEN under)
Florida State -- 10 (-120/EVEN)
Tennessee -- 10 (-110/ -110)
Oklahoma -- 10 (+110/-130)
LSU -- 9.5 (-140/+120)
Michigan -- 9.5 (-120/EVEN)
Alabama -- 9.5 (-110/-110)
UCLA -- 9 (-120/EVEN)
Louisville-- 9 (-110/-110)
Notre Dame -- 9 (+105/-125)
Baylor -- 9 (+105/-125)
Houston -- 9 (+130/-150)
Georgia -- 8.5 (-145/+125)
Ohio State-- 8.5 (-115/-105)
Oregon -- 8.5 (EVEN/-120)
TCU -- 8.5 (+105/-125)

 

[GBdomer]

That might be the oldest news update on a 7 month dead thread in history. Have you been in your parent's medicine cabinet?

But I thank you for bumping this gem so I can put Wingnut Ray on blast:




I'm out of my mind... and so is Tilman Fertitta.

This from the Golden Nugget:

Clemson -- 10 (-12o over, EVEN under)
Florida State -- 10 (-120/EVEN)
Tennessee -- 10 (-110/ -110)
Oklahoma -- 10 (+110/-130)
LSU -- 9.5 (-140/+120)
Michigan -- 9.5 (-120/EVEN)
Alabama -- 9.5 (-110/-110)
UCLA -- 9 (-120/EVEN)
Louisville-- 9 (-110/-110)
Notre Dame -- 9 (+105/-125)
Baylor -- 9 (+105/-125)
Houston -- 9 (+130/-150)
Georgia -- 8.5 (-145/+125)
Ohio State-- 8.5 (-115/-105)
Oregon -- 8.5 (EVEN/-120)
TCU -- 8.5 (+105/-125)

Sorry man I wish I knew everything like you and was a true insider

You really have become the GBdomer of two years ago. Lucky won't say anything to you but he would have banned me if I made this comment to anyone

 

[BobbyMac]

Sorry man I wish I knew everything like you and was a true insider

No need to get whiny GB. Don't be that guy. That was the only reason ever given to why he wasn't feeling ND, conflict in personalities. I just found it odd someone of your extensive membership bringing it up out of the dark.

But thanks, I did appreciate the bump as I mentioned.

 

[NDRock]

Is the O/U for Bama really 9.5? Last year people were writing their obit after they lost to Ole Miss. Would take the over.