'17 CT ATH CJ Holmes (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[irishff1014]

I'm going to say this once and once only -- consider this everyone's first and final warning.

If you don't know something to be a fact, don't post it. And even if you do know it to be a fact, often times you still shouldn't post it.

This problem is not an IE problem, it's an everywhere problem. Driskell at Rivals literally fabricated a story yesterday about a "path to come back" for CJ... that doesn't exist. It has not been discussed with CJ or his family, at most they hinted that there might be a mechanism for him to rejoin the team down the line. So you've got professionals making up (or poorly sourcing) stories.

Now we've got rumors on this site running every which direction... saw one person strongly imply in the General Team Info thread that is is all a product of ND's drug testing policies... no, it isn't. The one meaningful player who got in trouble for something related to drug testing, and it ultimately WAS NOT what got him dismissed from the team. This kind of rumor mongering is not appropriate and has never been tolerated on this site.

Everyone gets a pass for everything posted up to this point, but moving forward if you share any rumor about "what they did" it better either be cited to a professional source OR you better be correct... if I see one more speculative/wrong rumor about what someone did to get the boot it's getting deleted and we're going to be displeased.

I respect your decision as an admin and won't post anymore rumor or speculation. Gonna get boring around he considering that's what 85% of the info is on here.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I respect your decision as an admin and won't post anymore rumor or speculation. Gonna get boring around he considering that's what 85% of the info is on here.

I think the idea is that rumors that are destructive of someone's reputation are different than, say, speculation he is thinking about transferring to the home school.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I heard Lax has been dropping the hammer due to the crypto implosion. Heard he took a 2nd mortgage out and since the drop, he's been a little edgy. Can anyone corroborate?

 

[zelezo vlk]

I heard Lax has been dropping the hammer due to the crypto implosion. Heard he took a 2nd mortgage out and since the drop, he's been a little edgy. Can anyone corroborate?

Weird, because I heard his avocado toast addiction has gotten out of hand.

 

[IrishLax]

I respect your decision as an admin and won't post anymore rumor or speculation. Gonna get boring around he considering that's what 85% of the info is on here.

There's a difference between speculating about crimes/moral turpitude and speculating about other stuff.

I also appreciate that you tagged your post with *RUMOR* and said where you got it from, which is appropriate.

What I want to avoid is "I heard Tiassum was behind 9/11" or the like... or people presenting wrong information. So basically we want people to either have it sourced from somewhere reputable, or they better be damn sure they're correct.

 

[ThePiombino]

There's a difference between speculating about crimes/moral turpitude and speculating about other stuff.

I also appreciate that you tagged your post with *RUMOR* and said where you got it from, which is appropriate.

What I want to avoid is "I heard Tiassum was behind 9/11" or the like... or people presenting wrong information. So basically we want people to either have it sourced from somewhere reputable, or they better be damn sure they're correct.

Sooooo Tiassum wasn't behind 9/11?

 

[IrishLax]

Sooooo Tiassum wasn't behind 9/11?

Defensive tackles can't melt steel beams.

 

[irish o'phile]

Is South Bend so rough that a college student might need a firearm in their dorm? I went this year and it felt a whole lot safer than most of Los Angeles.

Also, Tiassum was behind the Russian hack, not 911.

 

[connor_in]

Defensive tackles can't melt steel beams.

Ya haven't seent the youtube video, bruh?

 

[irishff1014]

There's a difference between speculating about crimes/moral turpitude and speculating about other stuff.

I also appreciate that you tagged your post with *RUMOR* and said where you got it from, which is appropriate.

What I want to avoid is "I heard Tiassum was behind 9/11" or the like... or people presenting wrong information. So basically we want people to either have it sourced from somewhere reputable, or they better be damn sure they're correct.

That's cool. Since i read it on the other sites board please delete it since i have no idea how credible he is. Thanks

 

[pumpdog20]

Is South Bend so rough that a college student might need a firearm in their dorm? I went this year and it felt a whole lot safer than most of Los Angeles.

Also, Tiassum was behind the Russian hack, not 911.

No, maybe he just really likes America.

 

[dublinirish]

No, maybe he just really likes America.

he needs to protect himself from a violent tyrannical government

 

[IrishFanForever23]

This is interesting as posters on Rivals are questioning whether he really does have a way to get back on the team. Driskell is doubling down and saying he knows 100% he has a path to rejoin.

 

[Bluto]

Defensive tackles can't melt steel beams.

Fire Balis?

 

[IrishLax]

This is interesting as posters on Rivals are questioning whether he really does have a way to get back on the team. Driskell is doubling down and saying he knows 100% he has a path to rejoin.

Yeah, I just read his latest response. I can say without a shred of doubt that he is either misinformed or just bullshitting. My source is first hand. I can say definitively that at the meeting where they discussed how his release worked, they did not tell him anything close to "follow the path and you'll be back" or that it was "up to CJ."

At best, they left open the door that he might have the ability at a later date to try to get back on the team. At best. So it was extremely lazy or misinformed reporting to say something like "it's really up to him" like CJ has total control over the situation.

 

[Irishize]

This is interesting as posters on Rivals are questioning whether he really does have a way to get back on the team. Driskell is doubling down and saying he knows 100% he has a path to rejoin.

Loy said while CJ is not in the plans moving forward & ND has made no promises, he was told that Holmes returning was not impossible. Personally, I think we’ve seen the last of CJ in an ND uniform. Hope he can grow from this and move on.

 

[irishff1014]

Loy’s update on him is very good. Puts the blame on himself and taking responsibility. That’s very good instead of making excuses.

 

[stlnd01]

Not to rumor-monger, but a bit confused here. Is there more than the shoplifting? There must be, right? Because a seemingly-permanent dismissal from the program seems a bit severe for stealing a jacket from Macy’s.
Guys who have done far worse things - IMO - have gotten off with a short suspension. Unless BK or the administration are trying to make a statement.

 

[BoredIrish]

Loy’s update on him is very good. Puts the blame on himself and taking responsibility. That’s very good instead of making excuses.

The kid was caught shoplifting. Not sure how that could be anyone elses fault.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Not to rumor-monger, but a bit confused here. Is there more than the shoplifting? There must be, right? Because a seemingly-permanent dismissal from the program seems a bit severe for stealing a jacket from Macy’s.
Guys who have done far worse things - IMO - have gotten off with a short suspension. Unless BK or the administration are trying to make a statement.

I think it’s safe to assume that Kelly had reason to do what he did.

 

[stlnd01]

I think it’s safe to assume that Kelly had reason to do what he did.

I'm sure he did. I'm just trying to gauge whether Holmes (and McIntosh and Tiassum) had other issues we're not aware of and so this wasn't his first offense, or if the pendulum is swinging back towards aggressively handling relatively minor offenses after a period of time in which it appeared that Res Life had grown a bit more lenient.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

Yeah, I just read his latest response. I can say without a shred of doubt that he is either misinformed or just bullshitting. My source is first hand. I can say definitively that at the meeting where they discussed how his release worked, they did not tell him anything close to "follow the path and you'll be back" or that it was "up to CJ."

At best, they left open the door that he might have the ability at a later date to try to get back on the team. At best. So it was extremely lazy or misinformed reporting to say something like "it's really up to him" like CJ has total control over the situation.

The II guys seemed to imply on the podcast today that CJ Holmes would have a chance to rejoin the team. Have there been any new developments on that front or were they just speculating based on the same intel you provided above?

 

[IrishLax]

The II guys seemed to imply on the podcast today that CJ Holmes would have a chance to rejoin the team. Have there been any new developments on that front or were they just speculating based on the same intel you provided above?

To my knowledge, nothing has changed since they had the meeting and gave him his release. As far as I'm aware what I said on 1/17 still applies... they left the door open towards there being a possibility to rejoin the team down the line, but no one promised him anything or told him anything like "do this and this and you'll be back on the team."

 

[DONTH8]

To my knowledge, nothing has changed since they had the meeting and gave him his release. As far as I'm aware what I said on 1/17 still applies... they left the door open towards there being a possibility to rejoin the team down the line, but no one promised him anything or told him anything like "do this and this and you'll be back on the team."

What are everyone's thoughts on this? Would you rather get a straight answer of "You're off the team." That way you can move on in life instead of hanging around limbo and possibly missing the opportunity to play this year all while spending a lot of money to attend school? Or would you rather get an answer such as, "We can't promise you will make it back on the team, but we'll reevaluate things at xxxx point." And then just hope that things go your way without knowing exactly what they want you to do?

For me it would be really easy to stick it out because I love Notre Dame and the dream to play would drive me to be better. However, I could see how some kids wouldn't exactly have that love and would rather move on and I wouldn't necessarily think they were wrong to do so. But then again maybe that's why Kelly would take this route, even if it may seem a little unfair to the kid, to see how committed the kid is to the program rather than himself. If you map it out for the kid and promise him a spot, you won't see how he handles adversity.

Anyways, any of you older/wiser men have any thoughts on this? Maybe you guys have had a similar experience from work or something that you could relate it to. I guess the question is, would you rather someone just tell you straight up what the situation is? Or give you a luke warm response with no guarantees?

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah, this is a good post and exactly what is tough.

What are everyone's thoughts on this? Would you rather get a straight answer of "You're off the team."

In a sense, that's what happened. He's released from his scholarship, not suspended. So he's free to move on unrestricted if he wants (and he very well may want to take the path of surety to somewhere else as soon as possible).

That way you can move on in life instead of hanging around limbo and possibly missing the opportunity to play this year all while spending a lot of money to attend school? Or would you rather get an answer such as, "We can't promise you will make it back on the team, but we'll reevaluate things at xxxx point."

I think this is even stronger than what was said to him in terms of having the possibility to come back. It was more like they were talking about his football future, the mechanics of his release, etc. and they didn't say "no" to the hypothetical of him asking back on the team at a later date. And I think most assume - rightly or wrongly, I don't know - that ND would want him back if he keeps his nose clean and meets all his obligations.

And then just hope that things go your way without knowing exactly what they want you to do?

For me it would be really easy to stick it out because I love Notre Dame and the dream to play would drive me to be better. However, I could see how some kids wouldn't exactly have that love and would rather move on and I wouldn't necessarily think they were wrong to do so. But then again maybe that's why Kelly would take this route, even if it may seem a little unfair to the kid, to see how committed the kid is to the program rather than himself. If you map it out for the kid and promise him a spot, you won't see how he handles adversity.

Anyways, any of you older/wiser men have any thoughts on this? Maybe you guys have had a similar experience from work or something that you could relate it to. I guess the question is, would you rather someone just tell you straight up what the situation is? Or give you a luke warm response with no guarantees?

Right, so a big thing is that he obviously has football goals in addition to academic ones. So if he can't rejoin the team, then he's almost surely going to transfer to somewhere where he can play football. But in the meantime, because he's got his release, there is no reason not to just hang tight until the summer and then figure out what options he really has. I imagine it's going to be a lot easier to have an honest conversation then with the coaches about his ability to rejoin or not (if he wants to)... and if he can't then he's a free agent to whoever will take him.

 

[koonja]

CJ Holmes has NFL aspirations, that's why his parents didn't want him to RS this year.

What Lax said makes sense. He will likely stick around because there's no reason to leave right this second. If after this semester he's not given the green light to get back on scholarship, he'll leave.

 

[Irishize]

CJ Holmes has NFL aspirations, that's why his parents didn't want him to RS this year.

What Lax said makes sense. He will likely stick around because there's no reason to leave right this second. If after this semester he's not given the green light to get back on scholarship, he'll leave.

That’s my feeling as well. I don’t recall too many situations where there was very little chance of a player being reinstated to the team and the player ended up actually being reinstated. I hope for the best for the young man but ND has to plan going forward without him.

 

[stlnd01]

So is he, or is he not, on scholarship this semester? If not, is he paying tuition and going to class, or back home? That all would tell a lot, I’d think.

 

[ab2cmiller]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former Notre Dame running back CJ Holmes could have shoplifiting charges against him dismissed come July if he stays out of trouble between now and then. <a href="https://t.co/5G8vwVbxbU">https://t.co/5G8vwVbxbU</a></p>— Angelo Di Carlo (@angdicarlowndu) <a href="https://twitter.com/angdicarlowndu/status/958835460251488257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Irishize]

A question for the Irish Illustrated podcast was “who will get more touches in 2018...Javon McKinley or CJ Holmes?”

Despite Holmes not being on the team right now, all three guys said they expect Holmes to have more carries than McKinley has catches.

They added that McIntosh is probably gone for good but they think Holmes can earn his way back.