'17 CT ATH CJ Holmes (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

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I thought he was pretty fast. Also was on kick and punt coverage and was always the first guy to make contact. On a side note, sat with his dad at the game. Very funny and super nice guy.
 
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dad4aa said:
I thought he was pretty fast. Also was on kick and punt coverage and was always the first guy to make contact. On a side note, sat with his dad at the game. Very funny and super nice guy.
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Thanks for the first hand comments. I don't think anyone else mentioned Special Teams participation. He was credited with a tackle.

Holmes also appears to have tied a ND Rushing Record with 8 Consecutive Rushing Attempts on the last ND drive of the game. I didn't see this mentioned in any post game reports. Holmes is in pretty good company.


Consecutive Rushing Attempts by Same Player in a Game:
8 C.J. Holmes vs. UNC, 2017; Mark Green vs. Boston College, 1987; Phil Carter vs.Air Force, 1980; Larry Conjar vs. Army, 1965; Neil Worden vs.Oklahoma, 1952


From ND v UNC Play by Play:
4th Quarter
Nd 1-10 at Nc45 Holmes, C.J. rush left for 2 yards to the NC43 (Britt, J;Collins, C).
Nd 2-8 at Nc43 Holmes, C.J. rush left for 10 yards to the NC33, 1ST DOWN ND (Smith, J).
Nd 1-10 at Nc33 Holmes, C.J. rush up middle for 3 yards to the NC30 (Collins, C).
Nd 2-7 at Nc30 Timeout Notre Dame, clock 04:28.
Nd 2-7 at Nc30 Holmes, C.J. rush up middle for no gain to the NC30 (Dalton, J;Smith, J).
Nd 3-7 at Nc30 Holmes, C.J. rush right for 9 yards to the NC21, 1ST DOWN ND (Collins, C).
Nd 1-10 at Nc21 Holmes, C.J. rush right for loss of 1 yard to the NC22 (Smith, J).
Nd 2-11 at Nc22 Holmes, C.J. rush right for 7 yards to the NC15 (Collins, C).
Nd 3-4 at Nc15 Holmes, C.J. rush up middle for 2 yards to the NC13 (Collins, C;Smith, J).
 
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And he is running when NC knows he is getting the ball and they are stacking the box. Yet he still ran well enough to get a couple first downs so we could run out the clock. Who knows if any of those could have been longer runs in a different game time situation.
 
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BGIF said:
Thanks for the first hand comments. I don't think anyone else mentioned Special Teams participation. He was credited with a tackle.

Holmes also appears to have tied a ND Rushing Record with 8 Consecutive Rushing Attempts on the last ND drive of the game. I didn't see this mentioned in any post game reports. Holmes is in pretty good company.


Consecutive Rushing Attempts by Same Player in a Game:
8 C.J. Holmes vs. UNC, 2017; Mark Green vs. Boston College, 1987; Phil Carter vs.Air Force, 1980; Larry Conjar vs. Army, 1965; Neil Worden vs.Oklahoma, 1952


From ND v UNC Play by Play:
4th Quarter
Nd 1-10 at Nc45 Holmes, C.J. rush left for 2 yards to the NC43 (Britt, J;Collins, C).
Nd 2-8 at Nc43 Holmes, C.J. rush left for 10 yards to the NC33, 1ST DOWN ND (Smith, J).
Nd 1-10 at Nc33 Holmes, C.J. rush up middle for 3 yards to the NC30 (Collins, C).
Nd 2-7 at Nc30 Timeout Notre Dame, clock 04:28.
Nd 2-7 at Nc30 Holmes, C.J. rush up middle for no gain to the NC30 (Dalton, J;Smith, J).
Nd 3-7 at Nc30 Holmes, C.J. rush right for 9 yards to the NC21, 1ST DOWN ND (Collins, C).
Nd 1-10 at Nc21 Holmes, C.J. rush right for loss of 1 yard to the NC22 (Smith, J).
Nd 2-11 at Nc22 Holmes, C.J. rush right for 7 yards to the NC15 (Collins, C).
Nd 3-4 at Nc15 Holmes, C.J. rush up middle for 2 yards to the NC13 (Collins, C;Smith, J).
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Good stuff BG. Reps!

I have one question... Did you get Worden's autograph after the game?
 
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koonja said:
Maybe. Tony Jones Jr has been really disappointing given how much he was hyped. Some had him as a top 10 player on the team.

People are making way too big of a deal about me saying Holmes looked slow. The OP asked what people thought. I have no idea how fast Holmes is expected to be.

Is he supposed to be a burner? Isn't he the recruit that withheld his 40 time at the opening because he ran poorly?

I thought he looked slow on 2 carries. Obviously that's not enough of a sample to predict how he'll do, but that's my first impression.

Athleticism is usually pretty apparent, even in a few plays. You don't need to see a fully game of Duke Johnson highlights to realize he's got a different gear.

And you don't need to be a burner to be a great RB. Cutting, finding the hole, and falling forward are a lot more important.
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Mentioned on podcast today that Jones has had a nagging ankle issue from basically start of season.
 
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I think people are harsh on Tony Jones because he is being unfairly compared to Josh Adams and has taken some reps away from Dexter - who everyone wants to see more of. I thought he was ok against NC.
 
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T-Boone said:
I think people are harsh on Tony Jones because he is being unfairly compared to Josh Adams and has taken some reps away from Dexter - who everyone wants to see more of. I thought he was ok against NC.
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Tony Jones is perfectly adequate. Good at pass pro, reportedly our best receiving RB, and probably the guy best suited to ram it up the middle on 3rd and 1 when everyone knows that's what we're doing. But if he's got anything like Adams' home run speed or Dex' quickness to the hole, we've yet to see it. In terms of carries he should be #3, not #2.
 
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T-Boone said:
I think people are harsh on Tony Jones because he is being unfairly compared to Josh Adams and has taken some reps away from Dexter - who everyone wants to see more of. I thought he was ok against NC.
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Another myth. Both Jones and Williams have seen severely reduced PT due to injuries.

Ian Book with 17 carries has almost as many carries as Tony, 22, and Dexter, 20.

The #4 RB Deon McIntosh has 40 carries and Wimbush has 68 carries.

Adams leads 11 ND rushers with 86 carries and is nationally ranked 6th in rushing yards with 776. Because ND distributes rushing attempts Adams is ranked only 41st in Rushing Attempts.

With 10.70 yds/attempt nobody is taking reps away from a healthy Dexter.
 
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koonja said:
Maybe. Tony Jones Jr has been really disappointing given how much he was hyped. Some had him as a top 10 player on the team.

People are making way too big of a deal about me saying Holmes looked slow. The OP asked what people thought. I have no idea how fast Holmes is expected to be.

Is he supposed to be a burner? Isn't he the recruit that withheld his 40 time at the opening because he ran poorly?

I thought he looked slow on 2 carries. Obviously that's not enough of a sample to predict how he'll do, but that's my first impression.

Athleticism is usually pretty apparent, even in a few plays. You don't need to see a fully game of Duke Johnson highlights to realize he's got a different gear.

And you don't need to be a burner to be a great RB. Cutting, finding the hole, and falling forward are a lot more important.
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Lol. 2 carries. So either he was "slow" on 25% of his carries or you missed 75% of his carries. Explains your hot take.
 
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stlnd01 said:
Tony Jones is perfectly adequate. Good at pass pro, reportedly our best receiving RB, and probably the guy best suited to ram it up the middle on 3rd and 1 when everyone knows that's what we're doing. But if he's got anything like Adams' home run speed or Dex' quickness to the hole, we've yet to see it. In terms of carries he should be #3, not #2.
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After the UNC game you could argue that Jones should be 4th because McIntosh looked damn good.
 
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Don’t care about Holmes too end speed. But would love it if he was a 4.5 guys.

What homes is going to bring to the the team down the road is Theo Riddick ability. A quick shifty back, who can play out of the slot and also catch the ball out of the backfield.

Notre Dame is loaded at RB. 5 capable RB’s on the roster this year. Adams leaves for NFL after this season. Next year with Stepp and Smith coming in Notre Dame will have 6 capable backs. That is crazy!


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dwshade said:
Mentioned on podcast today that Jones has had a nagging ankle issue from basically start of season.
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I was almost positive this is what we were seeing. It's like Adams last year, you could just tell something was missing. Same goes for TJJr, he looked explosive in practice clips and he's seemed less than that in recent games.

I hope he is given enough time to fully heal. It'd be great if he could take a few weeks off and just recover until 100%. If Adams, Dex and McIntosh can carry the load for a few weeks, maybe the staff will do just that.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Kevin Stepherson and CJ Holmes has been suspended indefinitely from the football team.<br><br>The two were arrested Friday night for shoplifting.<br><br>Details here: <a href="https://t.co/VxUqOzTLiq">https://t.co/VxUqOzTLiq</a></p>— Angelo Di Carlo (@angdicarlowndu) <a href="https://twitter.com/angdicarlowndu/status/943584101981880322?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Doesn't say if Holmes stole anything. Just said Stepherson stole a pair of sweatpants.
 
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Sounds like it was Stepherson in possession.

Zip up and lawyer up.
 
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Holmes was caught with a $75 North Face jacket...

Only strike one for him, though. He'll sit out 4 games next year and then be on probation with BK after that.
 
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Stepherson will be done. Holmes will be in the doghouse quite a while, and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make any real contributions next year, or even get a chance.
 
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