'17 CA WR Osiris St. Brown (Stanford Verbal)

[IrishFanJMercy]

Wonder if this open up the door for Jamir Calvin?

 

[Domina Nostra]

More explosive player. I think he's just a better version of OSB. OSB is a good prospect because he is very fundamentally sound, I think of TJ Jones, that's a compliment, as he was extremely productive. I expect OSB to be extremely productive as well. Runs good routes, has very good ball skills, good size, etc.

Though he's smaller, Martin's size won't be an issue. He is also a very good route runner, has very good ball skills, but is substantially more athletic. At least at the present time. Quicker, faster, more explosive. Personal opinion is both would be X Wr's in the this offense and Martin would give that position some extra juice.

I think of OSB like a less athletic Javon McKinley with the kind of attitude that either gets his team fired up, or just grates everyone. As I've repeatedly said, he's like a mini David Shaw.

ESB seems much more subdued and a better fit for ND.

 

[TDHeysus]

Unless his oldest brother gets suspended for grades...

or some other stupid shit that wouldnt happen at another school

 

[tussin]

Check his thread, I believe its explained in there.

All it says is that if offered we would be at or near the top (which is basically the same situation that we had with OSB). That doesn't really make me feel any better about missing OSB -- I'd rather have the bird in the hand.

 

[Meatloaf]

He made a statement in an interview some months ago that he wanted to study computer science and work in Silicon Valley. Damn near impossible to beat Stanford there if that's the case.

 

[TDHeysus]

The cynical a*shole in me thinks it's a warning shot from the St. Browns......

kinda like the Bismarck 'warning shot' that landed on the wood deck of the HMS Hood

 

[GoldenDomer]

Cant blame the kid for wanting to play in that packed stadium every week!

 

[Luckylucci]

All it says is that if offered we would be at or near the top (which is basically the same situation that we had with OSB). That doesn't really make me feel any better about missing OSB -- I'd rather have the bird in the hand.

1. You asked a question, that is your answer. And he's visiting twice this fall, without an offer.

2. Your feelings were not factored into this decision. But I'll let OSB know you don't feel good about him choosing Stanford. BK might be interested as well

 

[Sherm Sticky]

'17 CA WR Osiris St. Brown (Stanford Verbal)

So does this mean ND bs Stanford in a dog fight for ASB? Who wins out in the end?


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[phgreek]

So does this mean ND bs Stanford in a dog fight for ASB? Who wins out in the end?


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...Northwestern?

 

[IrishLion]

So does this mean ND bs Stanford in a dog fight for ASB? Who wins out in the end?


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Bama.

 

[phgreek]

Good luck young man...I hope you rip the roof off over in the PAC 12. When you come to Utah, I'll come see ya.

But I hope you get the flu on a recurring basis...just once a year though.

 

[phgreek]

Bama.

Kinda kills the academics theme a little...(sorry Bish, it was teed up)

 

[IrishLion]

Kinda kills the academics theme a little...(sorry Bish, it was teed up)

*Insert "That's the Joke" Meme*

 

[phgreek]

*Insert "That's the Joke" Meme*

...nevermind...carry on...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

...Northwestern?

Duke?

Vanderbilt?


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[phgreek]

Duke?

Vanderbilt?


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Duke is interesting...I might change mine.

 

[irishandy]

If OSB continues to take OV's I hope he OV's for the ND-Stanford game.

I hope ESB has 10 catches for 168 yards with 2 TD's and ND beats Stanford.

OSB to Shaw after the game-- yeah coach, umm I've decided to decommit.

I wonder if Shaw put it in OSB's head that if he went to ND that he would be in his older brother's shadow.

 

[BobbyMac]

I wonder if OSB, ASB and the P's will sneak into town for the game or just wait till SC?

OSB has to be concerned about a team whose receiving game is lead by Trent Irwin's 200 yards in 5 games.

Stanford has a ton of talent at QB with more on the way but the WR position is not shining. That's one problem that doesn't exist in South Bend.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I thought it was confirmed that OSB is coming?

 

[PANDFAN]

I wonder if OSB, ASB and the P's will sneak into town for the game or just wait till SC?

OSB has to be concerned about a team whose receiving game is lead by Trent Irwin's 200 yards in 5 games.

Stanford has a ton of talent at QB with more on the way but the WR position is not shining. That's one problem that doesn't exist in South Bend.

a little tough to be shining as a wr with their qb play...not to mention playing 2 different ones at that

 

[BobbyMac]

a little tough to be shining as a wr with their qb play...not to mention playing 2 different ones at that

True. Even last year with a 3 yr starter in Hogan, the WR's didn't shine.

Stanford is viewed as a future NFL QB destination. They've got Chryst & Costello there now with Mills ('17) and West ('18) coming in next. That's leaving out Burns who was just an everyday 93ish 4 star. It's like ND's TE situation, when are recruits going to stop buying the brand and see the facts. If I'm any of those QB's I'm going to Cal to work on my NFL game,. If I don't make it, there's nothing wrong with a Berkeley degree.

 

[Chi_IRISH]

In regards to the WR position:

But again a position in which he could shine in quickly. Both sides of the coin, kind of the same pitch I would be giving to all current DB prospects.

 

[PANDFAN]

True. Even last year with a 3 yr starter in Hogan, the WR's didn't shine.

Stanford is viewed as a future NFL QB destination. They've got Chryst & Costello there now with Mills ('17) and West ('18) coming in next. That's leaving out Burns who was just an everyday 93ish 4 star. It's like ND's TE situation, when are recruits going to stop buying the brand and see the facts. If I'm any of those QB's I'm going to Cal to work on my NFL game,. If I don't make it, there's nothing wrong with a Berkeley degree.

They had Luck and after that or even before that, who did they have???? Elway ....Shaw gets waaaay too much credit for qb play there as it has been suspect at best, except when they play ND lol
PASSING YARDS
17STAN
R. Burns
69-104, 768 YDS, 5 TD, 3 INT
14ND
D. Kizer
104-177, 1621 YDS, 14 TD, 5 IN

 

[irishfan]

They had Luck and after that or even before that, who did they have???? Elway ....Shaw gets waaaay too much credit for qb play there as it has been suspect at best, except when they play ND lol
PASSING YARDS
17STAN
R. Burns
69-104, 768 YDS, 5 TD, 3 INT
14ND
D. Kizer
104-177, 1621 YDS, 14 TD, 5 IN

Suspect at best isn't really how I would describe the 4 years of Kevin Hogan after Luck left:

727/1,103 (65.9%) 9,385 yards, 75 TDs 29 INTs

This is their first year of poor QB play under Shaw.

 

[IrishLax]

Suspect at best isn't really how I would describe the 4 years of Kevin Hogan after Luck left:

727/1,103 (65.9%) 9,385 yards, 75 TDs 29 INTs

This is their first year of poor QB play under Shaw.

Nah, that's not really true. Last year Hogan graded out well. In the previous three he had two relatively poor years, and one "pretty good" year. So producing one "very good" year after three years of basically "meh" play is nothing to write home about.

 

[PANDFAN]

Suspect at best isn't really how I would describe the 4 years of Kevin Hogan after Luck left:

727/1,103 (65.9%) 9,385 yards, 75 TDs 29 INTs

This is their first year of poor QB play under Shaw.

you are right, i was too critical and went to the extreme however in looking at the stats though when you go back in look at indv games...hogan was hot and cold throughout his career except for 2014 when he was not great but good...the other years i would say he was decent as you didn't know what you were getting

7 games of not throwing for 200 yards in each years (2015, 2013)

quite a few games throughout his career throwing more int's in a game than tds...that's not good

 

[BobbyMac]

In regards to the WR position:

1. But again a position in which he could shine in quickly.

2. Both sides of the coin, kind of the same pitch I would be giving to all current DB prospects.

1. You sure? Who was the last WR to have 1000 yards at Stanford? Hasn't happened this century. Troy Walters did it in the late 90's. Ty Montgomery had a 900 yard year his soph or jr year and then fell back to the 600 yad range before going to the draft.
For all of the QB's they get, they don't pass it down field to the WR's instead choosing to go underneath to the TE's and the RB's out of the backfield.

2. The ND DB comparison doesn't work because if you come to ND as a DB and get snaps, you will be targeted. If you go to ND as a TE or Stanford as a WR, stats show you will be under utilized. In Kelly's offense it makes sense as to why traditional TE's see the ball so infrequently, with Stanford's pro style offense with the QB's they bring in, it doesn't.

 

[BobbyMac]

They had Luck and after that or even before that, who did they have???? Elway

On the field who did they have since Luck? Nunes, Hogan and now Burns.

On the roster they had a lot of talent coming in per the services. I'll compare them to the current ND QB's.

Josh Nunes. Higher rated than DK or MZ.

Kevin Hogan. Lower rated than DK or MZ. The only 3 star here.

Brett Nottingham. Higher rated than DK

Ryan Burns. Higher rated than DK or MZ

Keller Chryst. Equal to BW, just .00XX behind.

KJ Costello. Equal to BW. Also .00XX behind BW.

Davis Mills. Class of '18. 5 star. Above everyone listed here including Luck.

Jack West. Coming in '18. Currently a .95xx Comp.


This is my point. They have had plenty of Pro-Style QB talent and they have not been able to make the WR's look good outside of a 900 yd year by Ty Montgomery. You can't blame lack of available QB talent. It's the same as blaming Koyak, Smythe and Weishar for a lack of production by traditional TE's at ND. It's a product of the system, not the position.

 

[PANDFAN]

On the field who did they have since Luck? Nunes, Hogan and now Burns.

On the roster they had a lot of talent coming in per the services. I'll compare them to the current ND QB's.

Josh Nunes. Higher rated than DK or MZ.

Kevin Hogan. Lower rated than DK or MZ. The only 3 star here.

Brett Nottingham. Higher rated than DK

Ryan Burns. Higher rated than DK or MZ

Keller Chryst. Equal to BW, just .00XX behind.

KJ Costello. Equal to BW. Also .00XX behind BW.

Davis Mills. Class of '18. 5 star. Above everyone listed here including Luck.

Jack West. Coming in '18. Currently a .95xx Comp.


This is my point. They have had plenty of Pro-Style QB talent and they have not been able to make the WR's look good outside of a 900 yd year by Ty Montgomery. You can't blame lack of available QB talent. It's the same as blaming Koyak, Smythe and Weishar for a lack of production by traditional TE's at ND. It's a product of the system, not the position.

i'm completely agreeing w/ you....was just pointing to more evidence that people think this is the place to go because of 1 guy who is supposedly a once in a generation type player coming out but they haven't been qbu at all or remotely close