'16 MI OLB Daelin Hayes (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[dwshade]

honestly thought we were gonna RS him this year, get his shoulders 110% ready for 2017...for a kid that has played a handful of highschool games with multiple shoulder issues I was hoping/thinking we would have been patient here.
BK not a patent man!!
oh well...

Absolutely ZERO reason to redshirt him if he's healthy. Too good a player. Plus he was an EE so he has been here since January.

 

[BobbyMac]

It's scary to think that he could be one or the other. I almost just wanna say find middle ground kid! Lol

I'll settle for Uninjured Ground. The rest will take care of itself.

If the Irish secondary can do its job, DH is the kinda guy that can get coverage sacks using his athleticism alone. Will he develop the various moves that allow him to get to the QB in 2-3 seconds this year with frequency? I'd say the odds are against that. We have to remember DH has very limited 11v11 experience. He is who he is because of camps and 7v7 and where he turned heads was how well he performed in the passing game.

You have to think he's gonna be a real player but we all watched the floor v. ceiling play out with Ishaq and that is a sobering experience that should temper real fanboi/bandwagon expectations.

All that said, I see an injury free 3 year career, Consensus AA junior year and then off to Sunday's. I can't help myself!

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I didn't mean that Hayes would be Von Miller this year, heck Von Miller wasn't Von Miller his freshman year.

But, by his junior year I think Hayes could be that good.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Question for you guys...

I heard BK talking about how impressive Daelin has been, and how he will be a "really good player for us".

Am i wrong in thinking that BK never really used to talk players up that much, especially young ones? (I may be wrong) So maybe this kid really IS THE TRUTH, and what we have been looking for!

BK saying those kinds of things about a true freshman was great and especially great to hear about a pass rusher. And you're right, he doesn't normally speak that way about a true freshman. Sometimes he will re Upperclassmen, but not so much TF. DH was a five star per Rivals and if he performs and we get a combination of effective play from Jay and Trumbetti, we just might blow some QB's up this year. Let's hope so.
GO IRISH

 

[GoIrish41]

Question for you guys...

I heard BK talking about how impressive Daelin has been, and how he will be a "really good player for us".

Am i wrong in thinking that BK never really used to talk players up that much, especially young ones? (I may be wrong) So maybe this kid really IS THE TRUTH, and what we have been looking for!

He talked up Tillery pretty good last year.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Kelly had similar praise for Tillery, who gave us good minutes but didn't "blow things up".

I'd temper the expectations for a true frosh DE but I won't fault anyone for going bananas. I just can't deal with the wild ups and downs anymore. I try to stay grounded before the season starts otherwise I'll be drinking myself to sleep on Saturdays and Sundays (and I have too much to do).

 

[GreyWorm]

The difference between talking up players is the players themselves and the position they play.

Jerry Tillery was playing a position that a true freshman isn't going to have much success at and even at that, it's not a position where mind blowing stats occur.

Hayes is going to be playing a role in 2016 and not having the stuff on his plate Tillery did. Kelly/BVG can insert Hayes on passing situations and let him simply go get the QB this year. That's the benefit of having two guys at your position that can play ball.

Then, I would venture to say Hayes takes football a little more seriously than Tillery in terms of effort and his goals in 4 years. Not a shot on Tillery by any means, but Hayes is at Notre Dame to play football.

 

[GBdomer]

BK is a perfect salesman sometimes I think the hype is warranted and other times I think he uses it as motivation and more so coach talk.

Regarding Hayes to Miller? Two completely different players, Von uses pass rush moves that maybe three people in the world have while Hayes is more of a power but he definitely has some speed off the edge.

I think Hayes will be more of a Khalil Mack type of player for us putting his hand down and coming off the edge. Or Justin Houston, I don't see the Von Miller thing.

But goodness we are six practices in and we are comparing him in terms of a top 10 player in the NFL. Let's all slow down and hope to keep him healthy

 

[Bogtrotter07]

The difference between talking up players is the players themselves and the position they play.

Jerry Tillery was playing a position that a true freshman isn't going to have much success at and even at that, it's not a position where mind blowing stats occur.

Hayes is going to be playing a role in 2016 and not having the stuff on his plate Tillery did. Kelly/BVG can insert Hayes on passing situations and let him simply go get the QB this year. That's the benefit of having two guys at your position that can play ball.

Then, I would venture to say Hayes takes football a little more seriously than Tillery in terms of effort and his goals in 4 years. Not a shot on Tillery by any means, but Hayes is at Notre Dame to play football.

Awesome point!

Why is it that no one mentions the fact that Tillery is a three-tech, all day long and he was forced into playing as a nose guard last year? That is a position that is just amazing for a true freshman to step in and play at all! And he did more than adequately.

Usually noses follow the same path as O-linemen, and need to take some time in the weight room, and learning technique to compete at a Power 5 level. Jerry was damned near Superman for accomplishing what he did.

And for the record I think Kelly's boat rides a little higher, talking about DHayes, this year.

 

[dwshade]

Saw where Kelly singled out Tillery for his improvement in DL play. Said he's playing with much more power this year. As Al McGuire once said the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. Tillery did well his first season but I think he takes it up a notch this year.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

. . . or gets a chance to play his natural position!

and,

speaking of natural positions -

I am in the process of having my mind blown.


What is Daelin? 250?

From everything I saw, I thought he would turn into a rush end.

Now from everything since he has been on campus, with the Opening thrown in, I'm not sure.

This kid does remind me (75 % worth ) of Jaylon Smith's athleticism. He is a much bigger package. Much, much, bigger.

The thought of a player with most of Smith's athleticism, that is a natural leader like everything I have heard puts Daelin, with that kind of size, and maturity, as a true freshman, boggles my mind.

I tried to check on this kid and everything I hear is green light, A-Okay, or off the charts. I haven't heard a bad thing about this kid since his commitment video!

 

[BoredIrish]

Even if Hayes gives us identical production to Aaron Lynch in his freshman year, on the whole our pass rush is still not nearly enough.

 

[kmoose]

Even if Hayes gives us identical production to Aaron Lynch in his freshman year, on the whole our pass rush is still not nearly enough.

We don't really know what our pass rush will look like, this year. New LBs, new DLs; one or more of those guys could have a breakout season and give us a great pass rush, or they could all be average at best and our pass rush might stink.

 

[Booslum31]

Even if Hayes gives us identical production to Aaron Lynch in his freshman year, on the whole our pass rush is still not nearly enough.

It only takes one or two beasts to make everyone around them a little better with our pass rush.

 

[Luckylucci]

BVG is going to blitz regardless of how well the front 4 pass rush does. That's why he was dropping Day and Okwara (with somewhat regularity) last season. He's a scheme guy, not a player guy. Those were your two he's pass rushers by a fairly significant margin. So it's very possible that we'll have a better pass rush but it may not come from a traditional WDE or SDE player. We could see guys like Tranquill, Crawford, Morgan, JO, etc. get involved. Maybe none with eye popping numbers but solid contributions which adds to the overall total.

 

[BobbyMac]

BVG is going to blitz regardless of how well the front 4 pass rush does. That's why he was dropping Day and Okwara (with somewhat regularity) last season. He's a scheme guy, not a player guy. Those were your two he's pass rushers by a fairly significant margin. So it's very possible that we'll have a better pass rush but it may not come from a traditional WDE or SDE player. We could see guys like Tranquill, Crawford, Morgan, JO, etc. get involved. Maybe none with eye popping numbers but solid contributions which adds to the overall total.

This.

I have the felling Morgan is going to get sent, a lot. When he got to play in '14, he may not have chosen the right gap every time but he got to where he chose, quickly.

When you have those rare athletes like Jaylon Smith or Nyles Morgan, you have to turn them loose to wreak havoc.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

This.



I have the felling Morgan is going to get sent, a lot. When he got to play in '14, he may not have chosen the right gap every time but he got to where he chose, quickly.



When you have those rare athletes like Jaylon Smith or Nyles Morgan, you have to turn them loose to wreak havoc.

I just remember Schmidt being two steps slow on the Blitzes up the middle. That won't happen with Morgan.


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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

BVG is going to blitz regardless of how well the front 4 pass rush does. That's why he was dropping Day and Okwara (with somewhat regularity) last season. He's a scheme guy, not a player guy. Those were your two he's pass rushers by a fairly significant margin. So it's very possible that we'll have a better pass rush but it may not come from a traditional WDE or SDE player. We could see guys like Tranquill, Crawford, Morgan, JO, etc. get involved. Maybe none with eye popping numbers but solid contributions which adds to the overall total.

If it forces TOs, I'll be happy.

If it exposes our secondary to monster plays, I'll haz sad. again.

 

[Domina Nostra]

If it forces TOs, I'll be happy.

If it exposes our secondary to monster plays, I'll haz sad. again.

Max and Elijah were exposing themselves most of the time last year.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Max and Elijah were exposing themselves most of the time last year.

Very true. My gut and what I've seen from Tranquill plus the news on Max's play and praise by Kelly leads me to believe our Safety play will be very improved this year. Max is ready to play and Tranquill is a hard nosed, smart player (mechanical engineering student!). I'm more than ready to say that our defense will be improved this year.
GO IRISH

 

[Crazy Balki]

I'm sure BVG's blitz heavy scheme didn't help matters in the back end, but Max and Shumate didn't really have anyone to blame but themselves, especially Max, because yes, Joe coming on the blitz wasn't exactly what I'd call scathing, but that doesn't excuse his remarkable consistency to bite on fakes over and over and over again. He made a lot of mistakes on what should be considered simple aspects of the position. While Shumate...meh, he never really showed that he was going to be good in coverage, but he was rarely exposed to deep coverage anyways. Here's hoping the same holds true for Drue, but I'm a least a little (emphasis on little) more confident that he can hold up deep than Shumate.

As for Max, I remain cautiously optimistic. He's always had the potential to be a top notch safety and he looks like he's turned the corner, but the universe just loves proving us ND fans wrong. I guess we make it a little too easy...

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Max and Elijah were exposing themselves most of the time last year.

And BVG didn't figure that out all year. Eventually you must realize what you have rather than what you hoped you had.

I hope BVG knows what he has this year because I will lose my shit if we rank in the bottom quartile in TOs forced while being among the worst in giving up big plays. If you're going to call an aggressive game plan, we must have TFLs and TOs or be absolutely assignment sound.

Or we change the game plan based on what our players are capable of doing. It's not all BVG but he's the one making millions.

 

[NDRock]

Max and Elijah were exposing themselves most of the time last year.

Didn't Joseph Fauria get suspended for that when he was here?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Didn't Joseph Fauria get suspended for that when he was here?

Yep. Haha reps when I get in a computer.


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[GBdomer]

I didn't rewatch the game because well I just can't

But didn't see Daelin get a snap, did anyone else see it differently?

 

[House16]

As for Max, I remain cautiously optimistic. He's always had the potential to be a top notch safety and he looks like he's turned the corner, but the universe just loves proving us ND fans wrong. I guess we make it a little too easy...

Hahahahahahahahaha

 

[koonja]

I didn't rewatch the game because well I just can't

But didn't see Daelin get a snap, did anyone else see it differently?

Probably didn't play because we were getting ran over like pot holes and Texas didn't have to pass. But no, I also did not see him at all.

 

[GBdomer]

Probably didn't play because we were getting ran over like pot holes and Texas didn't have to pass. But no, I also did not see him at all.

Longo fault IMO

 

[military_irish]

I didn't rewatch the game because well I just can't

But didn't see Daelin get a snap, did anyone else see it differently?

I do not remember seeing him but according to the participation stat, he did play. Not sure in what capacity though.

UND Football Stats - 2016

 

[bluengold4732]

He was on kick off coverage