'16 CA WR Javon McKinley (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

SBPD is hit and miss. I know there are a lot of cops that handle things by the book and are not antagonistic. Then there is a group of cops that -- IMO -- hate ND students and do whatever they can to cite, harass, escalated, and provoke ND students if given the opportunity.

Indiana State Excise Police (if those fuckers still exist) are 100x worse. Their entire job is to bust college kids for drinking, and they are known to play very fast and loose with the rules to get their collars and write their fines which pay for their existence. They used to do this thing when I was in school where they'd go to tailgates undercover and ask for beer and when a stranger would given them one they'd say "gotcha!" and write them a huge fine for serving someone "underage." Like what the f*ck kind of existence is that to run sting operations on tailgates? They also have some notorious incidents of "busting" house parties and acting like they're the goddamn ATF raiding Pablo Escobar.

It is not limited to ND students.

 

[Wild Bill]

SBPD is hit and miss. I know there are a lot of cops that handle things by the book and are not antagonistic. Then there is a group of cops that -- IMO -- hate ND students and do whatever they can to cite, harass, escalated, and provoke ND students if given the opportunity.

Indiana State Excise Police (if those fuckers still exist) are 100x worse. Their entire job is to bust college kids for drinking, and they are known to play very fast and loose with the rules to get their collars and write their fines which pay for their existence. They used to do this thing when I was in school where they'd go to tailgates undercover and ask for beer and when a stranger would given them one they'd say "gotcha!" and write them a huge fine for serving someone "underage." Like what the f*ck kind of existence is that to run sting operations on tailgates? They also have some notorious incidents of "busting" house parties and acting like they're the goddamn ATF raiding Pablo Escobar.

IU is bad, or at least it used to be, during Little 500. I had to wire my brother $500 to stay out of jail about five years ago for having an open container or something equally stupid. It's a total racket.

 

[BobbyMac]

In my day the Excise boss was an officer by the name of Ronald McDonald. When excise was in MC or Valpo the word would get around that... the clown's in town.

I remember how it freaked everyone out. It's like everyone under 21 sheltered in place and local bars/liquor stores needed 3 forms of ID and a dna sample. I bet social media has killed their gig.

 

[EvilleIrish]

SBPD is hit and miss. I know there are a lot of cops that handle things by the book and are not antagonistic. Then there is a group of cops that -- IMO -- hate ND students and do whatever they can to cite, harass, escalated, and provoke ND students if given the opportunity.

Indiana State Excise Police (if those fuckers still exist) are 100x worse. Their entire job is to bust college kids for drinking, and they are known to play very fast and loose with the rules to get their collars and write their fines which pay for their existence. They used to do this thing when I was in school where they'd go to tailgates undercover and ask for beer and when a stranger would given them one they'd say "gotcha!" and write them a huge fine for serving someone "underage." Like what the f*ck kind of existence is that to run sting operations on tailgates? They also have some notorious incidents of "busting" house parties and acting like they're the goddamn ATF raiding Pablo Escobar.

There was an excise officer, not sure if he is still working, whose actual name was Ronald McDonald. He was notorious around the state for doing the exact things you described. He busted me at a house party that had a grand total of 8 people. He was the epitome of a guy on a power trip. I would imagine others on here know of him.

 

[IrishLion]

Indiana State Excise Police... used to do this thing when I was in school where they'd go to tailgates undercover and ask for beer and when a stranger would given them one they'd say "gotcha!" and write them a huge fine for serving someone "underage."

They got my best friend's dad like this, but they pulled some heavy bullshit... My friend was tailgating with his family, and his older brothers (probably 19 and 20) were both drinking.

A dude and a lady walked up and asked for beer, but they "looked goofy," so my friend's dad said "sorry, we're about to head out. Coolers are closed up."

They then produced their own ID, and asked to see everyone else's ID's, I guess since they got shut down on their sting operation.

They fined my friend's dad $750 for the two underage kids drinking, and banned him from Notre Dame's campus for life... he still got into the game that day though lol.

He had his "Notice of Ban" framed for Christmas that year, and it has been on their kitchen wall ever since.

 

[dublinirish]

feel bad for his mom, she is very pro-ND on twitter and seems to be the lead mom for the parents

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

In my day the Excise boss was an officer by the name of Ronald McDonald. When excise was in MC or Valpo the word would get around that... the clown's in town.

I remember how it freaked everyone out. It's like everyone under 21 sheltered in place and local bars/liquor stores needed 3 forms of ID and a dna sample. I bet social media has killed their gig.

Ronald McDonald gave my (now, not then) wife a ticket for smoking a cigarette at age 17.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Ronald McDonald gave my (now, not then) wife a ticket for smoking a cigarette at age 17.

Yeah he's a real piece of work. He got his @ss beat down here one time. Video was released by the local newspaper.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Yeah he's a real piece of work. He got his @ss beat down here one time. Video was released by the local newspaper.

I would google it but I don't even want to see what insanity pops up with the relevant search terms.

 

[Irish#1]

Thought I saw where it was the NDPD and not the SBPD that got him.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The lack of a felony charge is a big deal in terms of any hopes McKinley may have of remaining on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> roster. <a href="https://t.co/jYwK6xfgQ7">https://t.co/jYwK6xfgQ7</a></p>— Douglas Farmer (@D_Farmer) <a href="https://twitter.com/D_Farmer/status/1095093063029047301?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[stlnd01]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to a probable cause affidavit, McKinley was unresponsive in the back of an Uber, and two NDSP officers were trying to help him to his dorm. He tensed up and tried to leave in opposite direction. McKinley reportedly punched them when the officers tried to restrain him.</p>— Tyler James (@TJamesNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/TJamesNDI/status/1095094163392118788?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Man. Sounds like he was basically home safe and freaked when he awoke to find NDSP trying to help him out.

 

[IrishLion]

Damn. I jumped to conclusions earlier.

Sounds like the cops were being cool, trying to get him to his dorm even though they were called for an unresponsive/drunk dude, but he was too out of it and freaked out.

 

[Irish YJ]

if this is it for him, not the way i wanted him to go out.

glad he took an uber instead of driving, glad the cops were being cool and trying to help, hate that he woke up and freaked out. not a person i though would end up in this situation. hope he rallies and gets his degree.

 

[pumpdog20]

This is a non-issue.

The scholarship number is going to turn this into something it's not.

 

[CanadalovesND]

I’m don’t have the faintest idea of how the University proceeds with such instances as this, but I don’t believe that his crimes should bring more than a suspension.

I don’t want to see McKinley cut from the team. Even as inticing as it may seem with the scholarship numbers the way it is, his arrest shouldn’t provide a viable excuse to remove him from the team.

Now, McKinley needs to take accountability for his actions, which I’m sure he will. He’s a humble young man that comes from great family foundations. Have him issue an apology to the officers, do community service, and if it’s determined he needs to be suspended for a semester, then do it.

I don’t think his future will change because of this. He’ll continue to be a student-athlete at the Univeristy and will graduate with a degree.

 

[stlnd01]

I’m don’t have the faintest idea of how the University proceeds with such instances as this, but I don’t believe that his crimes should bring more than a suspension.

I don’t want to see McKinley cut from the team. Even as inticing as it may seem with the scholarship numbers the way it is, his arrest shouldn’t provide a viable excuse to remove him from the team.

Now, McKinley needs to take accountability for his actions, which I’m sure he will. He’s a humble young man that comes from great family foundations. Have him issue an apology to the officers, do community service, and if it’s determined he needs to be suspended for a semester, then do it.

I don’t think his future will change because of this. He’ll continue to be a student-athlete at the Univeristy and will graduate with a degree.

Reps.
This is a mistake. But it’s not a “separation from the university” kind of offense. If McKinley handles it the right way going forward he should serve his sentence and play out his four years and graduate, if that’s what he wants to do.

 

[irishff1014]

I’m don’t have the faintest idea of how the University proceeds with such instances as this, but I don’t believe that his crimes should bring more than a suspension.

I don’t want to see McKinley cut from the team. Even as inticing as it may seem with the scholarship numbers the way it is, his arrest shouldn’t provide a viable excuse to remove him from the team.

Now, McKinley needs to take accountability for his actions, which I’m sure he will. He’s a humble young man that comes from great family foundations. Have him issue an apology to the officers, do community service, and if it’s determined he needs to be suspended for a semester, then do it.

I don’t think his future will change because of this. He’ll continue to be a student-athlete at the Univeristy and will graduate with a degree.

You say this but a scholarship and a job have a lot of Similarities. I would be willing to bet you be surprised at how many people would lose their job for actions like this.

 

[stlnd01]

You say this but a scholarship and a job have a lot of Similarities. I would be willing to bet you be surprised at how many people would lose their job for actions like this.

A football scholarship is like a job, but it is not actually a job. It is supposedly about an education, which is supposed to incorporate room for mistakes and personal growth (unlike, say, working at McDonalds, which is a straight up “time for money” transaction).

Also while some people would get fired for this, lots of people also wouldn’t lose their job for a misdemeanor battery charge where no one got hurt that can/will likely be pled down to some sort of community service and probation. Mostly depends on how valuable/replaceable you are to your employer. Put another way, if this were Ian Book instead of an upperclassman backup WR who’s on transfer watch, no one would be suggesting this gets him kicked out of school. And that doesn’t seem fair, does it?

 

[IrishLion]

Pretty sure these are the exact charges that got Tommy Rees a one-game suspension, right?

Due to timing, this might cost McKinley Spring Ball, which probably leads to further and different discussions between him and the coaching staff.

I think Tommy's issue happened *after* Spring football, which is why he got the one-game suspension, rather than being barred from Spring practices.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

A couple of misdemeanors. It always sounds worse than it is in situations like this. If he punched a couple of cops they would've banged him out for felonies. The only reason it's newsworthy is the fact that he's on the football team.

 

[Kingbish01]

Sounds like a college kid had a little too much fun, I'd bet all charges will be dropped and he sits a game....MAYBE

 

[Irishnuke]

So are we done shitting on the cops now or no?

 

[IrishLion]

So are we done shitting on the cops now or no?

Not if we're still talking about the Indiana State Excise Police.

 

[Irish#1]

A couple of misdemeanors. It always sounds worse than it is in situations like this. If he punched a couple of cops they would've banged him out for felonies. The only reason it's newsworthy is the fact that he's on the football team.

Just spit ballin' here, but my guess is he flailed his arms and hit a one of the policemen as he's trying to get free. I would be surprised if he went all Sugar Ray Robinson on them.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

So are we done shitting on the cops now or no?

No

 

[irishff1014]

A football scholarship is like a job, but it is not actually a job. It is supposedly about an education, which is supposed to incorporate room for mistakes and personal growth (unlike, say, working at McDonalds, which is a straight up “time for money” transaction).

Also while some people would get fired for this, lots of people also wouldn’t lose their job for a misdemeanor battery charge where no one got hurt that can/will likely be pled down to some sort of community service and probation. Mostly depends on how valuable/replaceable you are to your employer. Put another way, if this were Ian Book instead of an upperclassman backup WR who’s on transfer watch, no one would be suggesting this gets him kicked out of school. And that doesn’t seem fair, does it?

I am not asking for him to be kicked off the team. I was just making a point that this might not be considered serious by some and that this was serious enough in the real world it could cost you big things. I know he had an injury and probably won’t be the player we all thought he would I would still like to see him get a shot at a starter role with punishment for his actions. (Yes I know the possible transfer rumors.)

 

[howell66]

Does anybody else find it odd that he hasn't been suspended yet? I could be wrong, but when players have been arrested in the past, hasn't Kelly always suspended them right away?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Does anybody else find it odd that he hasn't been suspended yet? I could be wrong, but when players have been arrested in the past, hasn't Kelly always suspended them right away?

No and no.

 

[howell66]

Am I forgetting somebody Kelly hasn't suspended after being arrested?