'16 CA QB Ian Book (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[ACamp1900]

LOl, this is crazy towns... how many big plays has he made with his feet?? That's the best of what he brings to the table... but Ian Book is faster AND to say make sure we don't let Wimbush just sit the sidelines is racist...

Holy shit cakes wtf has happened to IE over the last day or so.. you people have been on flipping drugs the last 24 hours...

 

[calvegas04]

I know that I'm only contributing to this digression but... seriously, guys? Go to the 0:46 mark. Does that look like tight end level speed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km9qlsXiHU4

Go to 1:14 and you can see Mike McGlinchey out running him

 

[wizards8507]

LOl, this is crazy towns... how many big plays has he made with his feet?? That's the best of what he brings to the table... but Ian Book is faster AND to say make sure we don't let Wimbush just sit the sidelines is racist...

Holy shit cakes wtf has happened to IE over the last day or so.. you people have been on flipping drugs the last 24 hours...

A 20-yard run because you didn't read the open 30-yard pass isn't a big play. It's not a unique Brandon Wimbush problem, it plagues college football analysis in general. It's why guys like Johnny Manziel and Tim Tebow aren't superstars in the NFL right now.

#HotTake

 

[Legacy93]

A 20-yard run because you didn't read the open 30-yard pass isn't a big play. It's not a unique Brandon Wimbush problem, it plagues college football analysis in general. It's why guys like Johnny Manziel and Tim Tebow aren't superstars in the NFL right now.

#HotTake

He never said he's the better QB... He just said what made Brandon good is his running ability and people are trying to say Ian has significantly superior running ability. So yeah you're both right. He's not seeing the field but he's still a stronger runner than IB, despite some clips of linemen running past BW as he breaks tackles that supposedly suggest otherwise...

 

[NDMIA]

Go to 1:14 and you can see Mike McGlinchey out running him

Over analyzing something so trivial. Brandon Wimbush is a run first, pass second QB who led ND to a 10-3 record last year with the best OLine in college football. Ian Book is a pass first, run second QB who is 2-0 as a starter and looks like a better fit for this year’s team. I’d be shocked if Ian Book took a QB sneak and ran 60-75 yards. I’d also be shocked if Brandon Wimbush went for over 300 yards passing in a game. They are just very different QB’s and to get into semantics about MPH that these guys run is silly.

 

[calvegas04]

He's not seeing the field but he's still a stronger runner than IB.

Debatable

 

[ACamp1900]

Over analyzing something so trivial. Brandon Wimbush is a run first, pass second QB who led ND to a 10-3 record last year with the best OLine in college football. Ian Book is a pass first, run second QB who is 2-0 as a starter and looks like a better fit for this year’s team. I’d be shocked if Ian Book took a QB sneak and ran 60-75 yards. I’d also be shocked if Brandon Wimbush went for over 300 yards passing in a game. They are just very different QB’s and to get into semantics about MPH that these guys run is silly.

This. Some of these takes make me wonder if last year actually happened or if koon somehow slipped some of his acid into my breakfast tea....

 

[Legacy93]

Debatable

I'm not being snarky, but I have no idea where there is room for debate here. What does IB do as a runner than BW can't do? Both have wheels, no doubt, but I'm not about to pretend that BW wasn't a phenomenal runner from the QB position.

 

[wizards8507]

This. Some of these takes make me wonder if last year actually happened or if koon somehow slipped some of his acid into my breakfast tea....

You watched the Miami game, right?

 

[ACamp1900]

You watched the Miami game, right?

Yep, I also watched the Boston College game... seriously this is nutso, I'm not advocating for Wimbush over Book , I'm not saying put BW at running back... The following: "I'd like to see Brandon have a spot/package/play/place actively on this team because he's proven his ability to make big plays..." it not some hot take, and should not invoke a negative reaction from anyone.

 

[Luckylucci]

Personally, I think IB could knock out Mike Tyson in his prime. He's definitely stronger than BW.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm not being snarky, but I have no idea where there is room for debate here. What does IB do as a runner than BW can't do?

agreed...

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

You watched the Miami game, right?

Yeah. We destroyed the RedHawks.

 

[wizards8507]

Yep, I also watched the Boston College game... seriously this is nutso, I'm not advocating for Wimbush over Book , I'm not saying put BW at running back... The following: "I'd like to see Brandon have a spot/package/play/place actively on this team because he's proven his ability to make big plays..." it not some hot take, and should not invoke a negative reaction from anyone.

"Making plays" isn't a thing than translates from one position to another. It's like saying Adam Vinatieri is the NFL's second all-time leading scorer, so Colts ought to let him carry the football in goal line situations.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

"Making plays" isn't a thing than translates from one position to another. It's like saying Adam Vinatieri is the NFL's second all-time leading scorer, so Colts ought to let him carry the football in goal line situations.

I don't think you really believe that.

 

[ACamp1900]

"Making plays" isn't a thing than translates from one position to another. It's like saying Adam Vinatieri is the NFL's second all-time leading scorer, so Colts ought to let him carry the football in goal line situations.

So you don't think we should have him at linebacker???

This is dumb, you all know what I'm saying here...

 

[wizards8507]

I don't think you really believe that.

I was obviously using hyperbole to make a point. No, it's not that extreme. But "making plays" scrambling as a quarterback is not a skill that should be any kind of indicator of success at the running back position.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm not sure if anyone here actually thinks that Brandon should move to RB or WR, but just in case there is...

You would have to be out of your mind to move him to another skill position. Who in the world would our backup QB be if Book were injured (or god forbid, struggled)? True freshman, scout teaming running, Phil?

That would be a catastrophically bad move. No coach in America would be that foolish.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm not sure if anyone here actually thinks that Brandon should move to RB or WR, but just in case there is...

You would have to be out of your mind to move him to another skill position. Who in the world would our backup QB be if Book were injured (or god forbid, struggled)? True freshman, scout teaming running, Phil?

That would be a catastrophically bad move. No coach in America would be that foolish.

and in case anyone thinks that, no, that's not what anyone is saying here, at all.

 

[Luckylucci]

"Making plays" isn't a thing than translates from one position to another. It's like saying Adam Vinatieri is the NFL's second all-time leading scorer, so Colts ought to let him carry the football in goal line situations.

Haha, in all seriousness, that's the worst analogy ever. Not even remotely comparable athletic traits.

It would be the same if folks were wanting him to take Yoon's job. But they aren't.

Yes, Acamp, apparently the board is also showing signs of regression.

 

[wizards8507]

To make my point another way... the phrase "get the ball in the hands of your playmakers" is stupid. There's no universal "playmaker" gene. "Playmakers," broadly defined, don't make plays. Good running backs make good running back plays. Good quarterbacks make good quarterback plays. Good safeties make good safety plays. There's no interchangeability between them.

 

[Luckylucci]

To make my point another way... the phrase "get the ball in the hands of your playmakers" is stupid. There's no universal "playmaker" gene. "Playmakers," broadly defined, don't make plays. Good running backs make good running back plays. Good quarterbacks make good quarterback plays. Good safeties make good safety plays. There's no interchangeability between them.

Athletes make plays. Brandon Wimbush is an athlete. If he wasn't a really good athlete, and you all think he's a terrible QB, then there would be no way he'd have the success that he did. If he's a terrible QB, he has to be a really good athlete. Which he is.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

and in case anyone thinks that, no, that's not what anyone is saying here, at all.

Then why are people entertaining the thought of moving him elsewhere? That is a fruitless discussion.

 

[ACamp1900]

Then why are people entertaining the thought of moving him elsewhere? That is a fruitless discussion.

I think the people attacking the idea of Wimbush playing at all are pushing the position switch thing... unless someone pushed for that before I came into the discussion then no one has actually gone there from a pro Wimbush stance.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I think the people attacking the idea of Wimbush playing at all are pushing the position switch thing... unless someone pushed for that before I came into the discussion then no one has actually gone there from a pro Wimbush stance.

And that's why I responded with, "you'd have to be an idiot to consider moving him away from QB". There are people that are entertaining (pushing for?) the move.

 

[ACamp1900]

And that's why I responded with, "you'd have to be an idiot to consider moving him away from QB". There are people that are entertaining (pushing for?) the move.

No I mean the people who are attacking the idea of letting him see the field in certain situations are painting that stance as "Let's move Brandon to running back." No one, that I can see is actually saying that.

 

[IrishLax]

Neither of us know that but I hope we get to see it at the combine.

Do you actually think he'd be better than our 5th RB right now? Or 5th WR? If so, I'd go from "agree to disagree and you might be right", to "you're nuts".

I absolutely do know that looking at his high school track times. There is no way that someone with reported track times between 10.8 and 11.0 in the 100m runs a 4.7 or slower. For example, CJ Prosise ran a 4.48 and ran a 10.9 in high school. There aren't direct 1-to-1 comps to the 40, but no one that runs a sub-11 100m dash has 4.7+ speed.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

No I mean the people who are attacking the idea of letting him see the field in certain situations are painting that stance as "Let's move Brandon to running back." No one, that I can see is actually saying that.

Just one quick example:

TDHeysus:
"Don't know if this has been pointed out here or not, however I think BK should treat Wimbush similar to how Urban Liar did Braxton Miller once JT Barrett took over.

Braxton Miller (Wimbush) was too good to not have on the field"

That sounds like people are definitely suggesting it... Regardless, the whole conversation is absolutely stupid. We need him as back-up QB.

This whole conversation should just stop. (also, the only reason I'm adding is in hopes of people "snapping out of it").

 

[pumpdog20]

I absolutely do know that looking at his high school track times. There is no way that someone with reported track times between 10.8 and 11.0 in the 100m runs a 4.7 or slower. For example, CJ Prosise ran a 4.48 and ran a 10.9 in high school. There aren't direct 1-to-1 comps to the 40, but no one that runs a sub-11 100m dash has 4.7+ speed.

Agreed

I could barely run under 12 (slow, I know for superstar track guys) and ran a 4.8 40. No way are you running a 4.7 and getting under 11 seconds in the 100.

 

[ND88]

Yep, I also watched the Boston College game... seriously this is nutso, I'm not advocating for Wimbush over Book , I'm not saying put BW at running back... The following: "I'd like to see Brandon have a spot/package/play/place actively on this team because he's proven his ability to make big plays..." it not some hot take, and should not invoke a negative reaction from anyone.

All of this is correct. Anyone disagreeing with this is dumb.