'15 LA OLB Bo Wallace (Arizona State Verbal)

Huntr · May 15, 2015

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fired up to officially welcome <a href="https://twitter.com/_BoWallace">@_BoWallace</a> to the Sun Devil Brotherhood! Great person and player!</p>— Todd Graham (@CoachGrahamASU) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachGrahamASU/status/599325146965381120">May 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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BobbyMac · May 15, 2015

A big Fork U goes out to Bo! At least he doesn't have to toss his.... "You can't spell SUCK without USC!" T-shirt. Best of luck Bo!

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Whiskeyjack · May 15, 2015

Ugh. Todd Graham makes my skin crawl. And I say that as a half-hearted ASU fan.

BobbyMac · May 15, 2015

Whiskeyjack said:
Ugh. Todd Graham makes my skin crawl. And I say that as a half-hearted ASU fan.

No doubt. If he was an attorney he'd be a partner at Spurrier Graham & Petrino.

IrishLion · May 15, 2015

Whiskeyjack said:
Ugh. Todd Graham makes my skin crawl. And I say that as a half-hearted ASU fan.

I fear that he will be on the list to replace BK, whenever that time may come.

pkt77242 · May 15, 2015

IrishLion said:
I fear that he will be on the list to replace BK, whenever that time may come.

GBdomer · May 16, 2015

ND will never ever hire Todd Graham. Guy couldn't be more complete douche. Plus his telemarketer headset and sweatbands.

dublinirish · May 16, 2015

I think graham lacks the integrity to be considered as a ND HC.

Bogtrotter07 · May 16, 2015

dublinirish said:
I think graham lacks the integrity to be considered as a ND HC.

I will go with your opinion.

(I want Mike Sanford.)

MNIrishman · May 16, 2015

Bogtrotter07 said:
I will go with your opinion.

(I want Mike Sanford.)

I'm still a big Chuck Martin guy.

NCDomer · May 16, 2015

stlnd01 said:
I realize you're playing devil's advocate, but isn't that exactly what we're talking about? Being an elite football recruit is the college equivalent of your boss promoting the best bowler.

Notre Dame admitted 3,785 kids last year (out of nearly 18,000 applicants). #3,786 was almost certainly better qualified, academically, than the overwhelming majority of our football players. Probably a wonderful kid we'd all be proud to call our son or daughter. The football players have a special talent that makes them more attractive to the university. It is the university's right to admit who they want, for their own reasons.

#3,786 can get bent out of shape about this, complain that life's unfair and that they're smarter than some four-star defensive end from Ohio who didn't do so hot on the ACT. Or they can attend some other great university and go on with their life. And the four-star defensive end can act entitled, dick around and flunk out, or they can use the great educational opportunity they've just been handed to set themselves up for life when their football career inevitably ends.

Like Tommy said, the point is what you do with the opportunities you get. For Notre Dame, the hard part - I think - is figuring out which kids are going to make the most of their opportunities. Character is a lot harder to measure than test scores (or 40 times).

So you're fine with the alumni big donor's kid getting one of those spots instead of the borderline kid? That's life. When you're borderline kid, then you're the middle class of America. You get the squeeze because you don't have anything great enough or the deep pockets to get what you want, but there's a very similar backup (Vandy, Rice, or Wake) where you can take on huge amounts of debt to live the "dream."

Sherm Sticky · May 16, 2015

Best of luck Bo.

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Redbar · May 16, 2015

On so many levels this development sucks. Best of luck to Bo though, hope he gives the Pac QB's nightmares.

stlnd01 · May 17, 2015

NCDomer said:
So you're fine with the alumni big donor's kid getting one of those spots instead of the borderline kid? That's life. When you're borderline kid, then you're the middle class of America. You get the squeeze because you don't have anything great enough or the deep pockets to get what you want, but there's a very similar backup (Vandy, Rice, or Wake) where you can take on huge amounts of debt to live the "dream."

Being "fine with it" or not isn't the point. That's just life.
A certain chunk of the admitted class at Notre Dame (and any other elite private university) will be composed of students who otherwise wouldn't be there if not for some special, non-academic, characteristic. Maybe because they're a rich donor's kid. Maybe because they're really good at football. By the nature of competitive admissions at a small school, that means other kids who are also great candidates, and maybe better qualified, will be on the outside looking in.
That sucks for those kids, but it's entirely the prerogative of a private university to decide who they admit or not, for whatever reasons they choose (barring systematic discrimination). College admissions are a meritocracy, but only up to a point. That's life. And maybe the sooner kids figure that out the better.

And I don't know where you're going with the debt thing. It costs just as much to go to Notre Dame as it does to Vandy or Rice or Wake Forest. If you're getting a scholarship to one you're probably in position to get help at any of the others, and if you're borrowing you'll come out with about the same debt load. I love Notre Dame. I went there. Had one of the most valuable, formative, experiences of my life. But Notre Dame didn't owe me admission just because I worked hard in high school, and 15 years later I don't think my career or earning potential would have been irreparably harmed had I not gotten in and gone to, say, Vanderbilt instead.

Irish2155 · May 17, 2015

Shit like this will happen when a program recruits so far from home. LA is a tough state to crack...it proves true. Let's be happy this isn't Tillery.

Sucks not having this young man but shit happens. We'll be fine.

NCDomer · May 17, 2015

stlnd01 said:
Being "fine with it" or not isn't the point. That's just life.
A certain chunk of the admitted class at Notre Dame (and any other elite private university) will be composed of students who otherwise wouldn't be there if not for some special, non-academic, characteristic. Maybe because they're a rich donor's kid. Maybe because they're really good at football. By the nature of competitive admissions at a small school, that means other kids who are also great candidates, and maybe better qualified, will be on the outside looking in.
That sucks for those kids, but it's entirely the prerogative of a private university to decide who they admit or not, for whatever reasons they choose (barring systematic discrimination). College admissions are a meritocracy, but only up to a point. That's life. And maybe the sooner kids figure that out the better.

And I don't know where you're going with the debt thing. It costs just as much to go to Notre Dame as it does to Vandy or Rice or Wake Forest. If you're getting a scholarship to one you're probably in position to get help at any of the others, and if you're borrowing you'll come out with about the same debt load. I love Notre Dame. I went there. Had one of the most valuable, formative, experiences of my life. But Notre Dame didn't owe me admission just because I worked hard in high school, and 15 years later I don't think my career or earning potential would have been irreparably harmed had I not gotten in and gone to, say, Vanderbilt instead.

I quoted you, but that question wasn't necessarily directly at you. I think we're on the same page wrt how schools admit people. If anything, I don't get how some only get bothered by athletes who receive preferential treatment while ignoring all the rich kids who only received an acceptance letter because of their family's money.

The debt thing was more of a shot at the state of higher education these days. The costs have soared. Paying full price for any of those schools seems silly to me. I'm glad I had scholarships when I went because paying over $100k for undergrad wouldn't be a wise financial decision. I'd recommend to anyone to just settle for a school farther down that offered some scholarship money rather than attend an ND-caliber school at full price. I lucked out graduating with under $25k from undergrad when cost of attendance was around $40k. I'm a bit cynical by how fvcked our education system has become at least in terms of affordability.

bigedefense · May 18, 2015

NDCrusader said:
Ive asked this question before without anyone answering... How many of the 85 scholarship football players currently on the team would have been accepted as a regular student?

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Man, you guys are REALLY making me nervous! My daughter is applying to Notre Dame this year and she/we have been working on her having all the t's crossed and i's dotted since she told me she wanted to go there when she was in the fifth grade! Hahaha, it's hard to save money for ND when you have a family of 4, three of them being female! That and we passed having enough for MS State or Ole Miss a couple years ago. Sorry, if this doesn't fit here and mods please remove if you want, but you guys are gonna see some happy posts if she gets accepted!!!

ND NYC · May 18, 2015

bigedefense said:
Man, you guys are REALLY making me nervous! My daughter is applying to Notre Dame this year and she/we have been working on her having all the t's crossed and i's dotted since she told me she wanted to go there when she was in the fifth grade! Hahaha, it's hard to save money for ND when you have a family of 4, three of them being female! That and we passed having enough for MS State or Ole Miss a couple years ago. Sorry, if this doesn't fit here and mods please remove if you want, but you guys are gonna see some happy posts if she gets accepted!!!

good luck to your daughter; make sure you prep her for chance she may not get in as you go thru the process.
even the "big money" peeps don't always get their way with admissions despite what appears a perception on here that they do. happes much more infrequently than most believe. admissions has been leery of the "big stack" applications since hesburgh. many a legacy/"connected kid" have ended up elsewhere.

dublinirish · May 19, 2015

bigedefense said:
Man, you guys are REALLY making me nervous! My daughter is applying to Notre Dame this year and she/we have been working on her having all the t's crossed and i's dotted since she told me she wanted to go there when she was in the fifth grade! Hahaha, it's hard to save money for ND when you have a family of 4, three of them being female! That and we passed having enough for MS State or Ole Miss a couple years ago. Sorry, if this doesn't fit here and mods please remove if you want, but you guys are gonna see some happy posts if she gets accepted!!!

best of luck to you all

Irish YJ · May 19, 2015

jimmymac said:
No... None of the football players would have gotten in without football, including Joe, a good friend of mine.

Edit: Corey Robinson I think actually would have gotten in.

From the KVR piece on SI..
Just giving jimmymac a little back up

Kelly wants the school to consider rethinking its approach. He says that, on average, his incoming freshman football class has a 2.8 GPA and a 24 on the ACT, while the median score for the rest of Notre Dame’s freshman class is 33. (The school does not track average GPA.) None of his newest recruits could have been admitted to the school on academic merit alone. Why then, he wonders, are most players on a path to graduate in 3 1⁄2 years—thanks to summer school requirements—when most Notre Dame students do so in four?

There’s a “church and state” separation between athletics and academics, but Kelly has reached out to athletic director Jack Swarbrick and president the Rev. John I. Jenkins about potential changes. He says “transformative conversations” are occurring on the academic side. “Are there other ways to do it?” Kelly asks. “Can we cut back on credit hours? Instead of taking 15 [the current practice to start a semester], can we take 12 and make it up in the summer? Are there other course offerings that could come about and be offered in lieu of a specific class? Those are conversations that had never taken place.”

Russell talks to SI about suspension, return | Inside the Irish

GowerND11 · Feb 7, 2017

Just back to read through this as I was wondering what happened with him. Noticed he was not on the fall roster for 2016, and not on the roster for 2017 at ASU. Anyone know of anything?

dublinirish · Feb 7, 2017

GowerND11 said:
Just back to read through this as I was wondering what happened with him. Noticed he was not on the fall roster for 2016, and not on the roster for 2017 at ASU. Anyone know of anything?

Arizona State ends spring football having established identity

On defense, the Sun Devils recorded a couple of sacks and one turnover, a fumble recovery by lineman Marshall “Bo” Wallace.

played in the spring game 2016 but yeah, no sign of him since

PANDFAN · Feb 7, 2017

GowerND11 said:
Just back to read through this as I was wondering what happened with him. Noticed he was not on the fall roster for 2016, and not on the roster for 2017 at ASU. Anyone know of anything?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Confirmed that Bo Wallace will not be at ASU this year. Missed spring due to what was termed personal issue. First reported by <a href="https://twitter.com/azcsports">@azcsports</a></p>— SunDevilSource.com (@SunDevilSource) <a href="https://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/743819985034715137">June 17, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bo Wallace left ASU b/c he couldn't beat out Ryan Aplin, not to go to a "bigger" school. True story.</p>— Michael Crump (@michaeldcrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeldcrump/status/760254795236073472">August 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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dublinirish · Feb 7, 2017

PANDFAN said:
i couldn't find anything....but yeah not there...last i saw was something about him in their 2016 spring game and nothing after

i posed a thread on r/cfb to see if any ASU fans know what happened. His twitter account is deleted, its like he vanished into thin air lol

PANDFAN · Feb 7, 2017

dublinirish said:
i posed a thread on r/cfb to see if any ASU fans know what happened. His twitter account is deleted, its like he vanished into thin air lol

i found a lil..check above now

GowerND11 · Feb 7, 2017

dublinirish said:
Arizona State ends spring football having established identity

played in the spring game 2016 but yeah, no sign of him since

I saw that headline, sounded promising if nothing else.

PANDFAN said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Confirmed that Bo Wallace will not be at ASU this year. Missed spring due to what was termed personal issue. First reported by <a href="https://twitter.com/azcsports">@azcsports</a></p>— SunDevilSource.com (@SunDevilSource) <a href="https://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/743819985034715137">June 17, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bo Wallace left ASU b/c he couldn't beat out Ryan Aplin, not to go to a "bigger" school. True story.</p>— Michael Crump (@michaeldcrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeldcrump/status/760254795236073472">August 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Hmm very interesting

dublinirish said:
i posed a thread on r/cfb to see if any ASU fans know what happened. His twitter account is deleted, its like he vanished into thin air lol

Hopefully get an answer, he had a lot of potential...

NDPhilly · Feb 7, 2017

PANDFAN said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Confirmed that Bo Wallace will not be at ASU this year. Missed spring due to what was termed personal issue. First reported by <a href="https://twitter.com/azcsports">@azcsports</a></p>— SunDevilSource.com (@SunDevilSource) <a href="https://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/743819985034715137">June 17, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bo Wallace left ASU b/c he couldn't beat out Ryan Aplin, not to go to a "bigger" school. True story.</p>— Michael Crump (@michaeldcrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeldcrump/status/760254795236073472">August 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Second tweet is referring to this guy so it's a different Bo Wallace.

Ryan Aplin bio - Arkansas State Athletics Official Web Site - astateredwolves.com

dublinirish · Feb 7, 2017

Got a DM from some random ASU guy who knows a guy on staff that said Bo was sent to rehab for drug addiction issues

GowerND11 · Feb 7, 2017

NDPhilly said:
Second tweet is referring to this guy so it's a different Bo Wallace.

Ryan Aplin bio - Arkansas State Athletics Official Web Site - astateredwolves.com

Yeah, the second tweet refers to Ole Miss QB Bo Wallace.

dublinirish · Feb 7, 2017

GowerND11 said:
Yeah, the second tweet refers to Ole Miss QB Bo Wallace.

yeah "Bad" Bo Wallace left Arkansas State, went to EMCC (Last Chance U) and then landed at Ole Miss

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