'13 HI DT Scott Pagano (Clemson Verbal)

[Luckylucci]

If we could make it happen, it'd be a very nice depth addition. Clemson fans found him to be very serviceable.

I'm taking Ryan Bartow at his word on this, haven't looked myself, but he's considered a legit NFL prospect for the 2018 draft. Issue is, Dexter Lawrence and Christian Wilkins are just that much better. So his reps would be limited if he stayed. If he's trying to use this as an NFL audition, I highly doubt he comes to ND. But that is just a guess.

 

[Legacy]

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[woolybug25]

I'm taking Ryan Bartow at his word on this, haven't looked myself, but he's considered a legit NFL prospect for the 2018 draft. Issue is, Dexter Lawrence and Christian Wilkins are just that much better. So his reps would be limited if he stayed. If he's trying to use this as an NFL audition, I highly doubt he comes to ND. But that is just a guess.

Why? Because we don't put guys in the league? Not trying to get defensive, but why would a grad transfer with NFL desires not want to choose ND?

 

[Domina Nostra]

Why? Because we don't put guys in the league? Not trying to get defensive, but why would a grad transfer with NFL desires not want to choose ND?

In a year where he would almost certainly start...

 

[woolybug25]

In a year where he would almost certainly start...

On a team with a good amount of talent to surround him with, on a team that gets a ton of attention from fans, media, scouts, etc.

ND is a good situation for a kid like him. Not that he will do it, but I think he would be quite successful here.

 

[IrishLax]

Grad Transfer Pagano trims huge list

SIAP, but we made his cut of finalists. There are only two west coast schools on the list, too... Cal and Oregon. So that doesn't seem to be the biggest factor, the biggest factor I'm sure is how it sets him up for the NFL given that the entire reason he's transferring is to get more game reps on film. I think Elko could be a good sell, not sure if Elston is.

 

[BeauBenken]

Grad Transfer Pagano trims huge list

SIAP, but we made his cut of finalists. There are only two west coast schools on the list, too... Cal and Oregon. So that doesn't seem to be the biggest factor, the biggest factor I'm sure is how it sets him up for the NFL given that the entire reason he's transferring is to get more game reps on film. I think Elko could be a good sell, not sure if Elston is.

Interesting due to most people saying that getting back close to home was for sure the biggest thing. Like you said, must not be the only thing.

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[IrishLax]

Interesting due to most people saying that getting back close to home was for sure the biggest thing. Like you said, must not be the only thing.

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Yeah, considering he cut Washington, USC, Hawaii, and Nevada from his list of suitors. If he really wanted to get back home as his primary concern the obvious choices would be USC or Hawaii.

Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and Nebraska are his other four finalists. So there isn't rhyme or reason from a distance perspective to any finalist but Oregon or Cal.

 

[Luckylucci]

Why? Because we don't put guys in the league? Not trying to get defensive, but why would a grad transfer with NFL desires not want to choose ND?

No, none of those, academic rigors. If your sole goal is to get ready for the NFL, the amount of time he'll need to spend in the classroom is simply an obstacle. Hopefully I'm wrong and we can convince him that doing both is to his benefit, just not sure that wins out.

 

[BobbyMac]

No, none of those, academic rigors. If your sole goal is to get ready for the NFL, the amount of time he'll need to spend in the classroom is simply an obstacle. Hopefully I'm wrong and we can convince him that doing both is to his benefit, just not sure that wins out.

The other thing to remember... school is optional in his case. He can use any school as training camp and film building. He starts camp in the summer, school in the fall and he's gone after the bowl game, before second semester. Depending how you look at it, it's a waste of the opportunity but there is an argument to be made if it's financially worth it depending on how it turns out.

 

[woolybug25]

The other thing to remember... school is optional in his case. He can use any school as training camp and film building. He starts camp in the summer, school in the fall and he's gone after the bowl game, before second semester. Depending how you look at it, it's a waste of the opportunity but there is an argument to be made if it's financially worth it depending on how it turns out.

If I were the coaches, I would have this conversation directly, so there were no misunderstandings. Because I could easily see the other coaches neg recruiting this point and I have no problem with the staff letting him choose how active he wants to be as a student.

I know that is probably pretty hypocritical from my usual opinions of what it means to be a student athlete, but I do think this is a unique situation.

Adding this kid could be a huge impact to our success this season, imo.

 

[IrishLion]

The other thing to remember... school is optional in his case. He can use any school as training camp and film building. He starts camp in the summer, school in the fall and he's gone after the bowl game, before second semester. Depending how you look at it, it's a waste of the opportunity but there is an argument to be made if it's financially worth it depending on how it turns out.

If I were the coaches, I would have this conversation directly, so there were no misunderstandings. Because I could easily see the other coaches neg recruiting this point and I have no problem with the staff letting him choose how active he wants to be as a student.

I know that is probably pretty hypocritical from my usual opinions of what it means to be a student athlete, but I do think this is a unique situation.

Adding this kid could be a huge impact to our success this season, imo.

Isn't it pretty much an unspoken truth that the one-and-done stars in college basketball don't even go to class during the spring for this very reason?

By the time their grades would be an eligibility issue, their season is over and they're headed to greener pastures anyway.

 

[woolybug25]

Isn't it pretty much an unspoken truth that the one-and-done stars in college basketball don't even go to class during the spring for this very reason?

By the time their grades would be an eligibility issue, their season is over and their headed to greener pastures anyway.

Yep. That is exactly what they do.

I do want to say that by all means, it is assumed that he is a good student at Clemson, and he was a good student in High School. So he very well may welcome the education aspect of Notre Dame. I just think we should have a conversation about it and if that isn't the case... then I think we make an exception here.

Whether people want to believe it or not, I am telling you, we have made more drastic exceptions than that.

 

[Luckylucci]

If I were the coaches, I would have this conversation directly, so there were no misunderstandings. Because I could easily see the other coaches neg recruiting this point and I have no problem with the staff letting him choose how active he wants to be as a student.

I know that is probably pretty hypocritical from my usual opinions of what it means to be a student athlete, but I do think this is a unique situation.

Adding this kid could be a huge impact to our success this season, imo.

See, I'd be on board with this, I'm just not sure it's realistic. And ultimately that's why I said what I did. If that wasn't part of the equation, it's a really good opportunity to step in and start. A lot of exposure, etc.

 

[IrishLax]

Just so everyone is clear, academic workload really doesn't matter for a graduate student unless they want it to matter. I'm oversimplifying here but the way eligibility works for someone at that point they could basically skip all of their classes in that fall semester, have a 0.0 GPA, and the only thing they'd be ineligible for would be the bowl game if they did all of that. So I doubt the the perceived difficulty of a graduate program will have much impact on his decision... I think it'll be strictly a football choice to play in what he thinks will be the best scheme to get him to the NFL.

 

[stlnd01]

It's an odd mix of schools. Obvs you can get to the NFL from any of them. Don't know enough about depth charts to know what his odds of starting are, but figure he'd be a strong bet to start for us. Geography is all over the map.
Probably boils down to how the coaches sell him. Given our new staff's track record, I'd say our odds are decent. And if he actually cares about the school part - as some do, even if they went to Clemson - that's gravy.

 

[Luckylucci]

Grad Transfer Pagano trims huge list

SIAP, but we made his cut of finalists. There are only two west coast schools on the list, too... Cal and Oregon. So that doesn't seem to be the biggest factor, the biggest factor I'm sure is how it sets him up for the NFL given that the entire reason he's transferring is to get more game reps on film. I think Elko could be a good sell, not sure if Elston is.

I'd love to be wrong here. Ryan Bartow posting that it's a guarantee that ND gets an OV.

 

[koonja]

What is the timeline for someone like this to decide? Is there a date where they'd have to decide by?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Would he play 3-tech or NT?

If Cage is back I don't see him starting over Cage. Maybe a 50/50 rotation.

If 3-technique then again I think he would have to beat out Tillery, which is possible.


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[koonja]

Would he play 3-tech or NT?

If Cage is back I don't see him starting over Cage. Maybe a 50/50 rotation.

If 3-technique then again I think he would have to beat out Tillery, which is possible.


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I feel like even if Cage was a starter, the backup would end up taking more reps than him. He's been playing since he was a true freshman, but has he ever taken more than 25 snaps in a game?

 

[BobbyMac]

OK... on to the important stuff since he's going to join the Irish.

1. What's the next masters class he can enroll in? What day does it start?

2. under grad transfer rules... does he have to wait till his first day of class to join the team in official workouts?

3. If he said, I'm going to ND and my classes start June 1 let's say. Could he move to SB and start lifting with the team? Going to meetings, yada yada yada.

4. Where's he at now? Is he enrolled in classes at Clemson to keep health insurance?

5. Can you take a semester off when you grad transfer?

6. That's all I got for now.

 

[stlnd01]

Would he play 3-tech or NT?

If Cage is back I don't see him starting over Cage. Maybe a 50/50 rotation.

If 3-technique then again I think he would have to beat out Tillery, which is possible.


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Whether a 3 tech or NT, even if he's not No. 1 on the depth chart he'd get a ton of reps. We need to rotate more guys on the line, and he plugs in as essentially a co-starter at either spot.

 

[IrishLion]

OK... on to the important stuff since he's going to join the Irish.

1. What's the next masters class he can enroll in? What day does it start?

2. under grad transfer rules... does he have to wait till his first day of class to join the team in official workouts?

3. If he said, I'm going to ND and my classes start June 1 let's say. Could he move to SB and start lifting with the team? Going to meetings, yada yada yada.

4. Where's he at now? Is he enrolled in classes at Clemson to keep health insurance?

5. Can you take a semester off when you grad transfer?

6. That's all I got for now.

Just ask Malik for answers to all these inquiries and then get back to us

 

[woolybug25]

Would he play 3-tech or NT?

If Cage is back I don't see him starting over Cage. Maybe a 50/50 rotation.

If 3-technique then again I think he would have to beat out Tillery, which is possible.


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I think he would start over both of them. He had more sacks as a backup at Clemson last year (4.5) than anyone on our team.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I think he would start over both of them. He had more sacks as a backup at Clemson last year (4.5) than anyone on our team.

He's the perfect addition because he would start, IMO, and would threaten both starters. Tillery needs some competition.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think he would start over both of them. He had more sacks as a backup at Clemson last year (4.5) than anyone on our team.

I agree.

 

[Wingman Ray]

He's the perfect addition because he would start, IMO, and would threaten both starters. Tillery needs some competition.

Tillery needs to see the bench is what he needs.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I think he would start over both of them. He had more sacks as a backup at Clemson last year (4.5) than anyone on our team.

I'm thinking Tillery may have developed a new attitude. We will see, but I've heard he's a changed man. Needs to last for two years, but all he needs is to stop with the stupid off the field shit, in other words, focus a little on what's paying his way.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Grad Transfer Pagano trims huge list

SIAP, but we made his cut of finalists. There are only two west coast schools on the list, too... Cal and Oregon. So that doesn't seem to be the biggest factor, the biggest factor I'm sure is how it sets him up for the NFL given that the entire reason he's transferring is to get more game reps on film. I think Elko could be a good sell, not sure if Elston is.

Elston coached Tuitt, Lynch, Nix, and Day. All got to the NFL. That's a pretty good story.

The fact that BVG didn't want him coaching DL is, well...

 

[rtrn2glory]

We need manti to put in some work here