'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[ND NYC]

"Quote:
Originally Posted by rikkitikki08
OK guys i am sorry, quit pissing in my lack of recruiting knowledge cheerios

what aisle are those in?"

is this what coach kelly is referring to when he says "when your looking at ND your shopping in a different aisle?"

 

[ND NYC]

Oye vey! They dont have baggage because they switch a verbal. They have baggage coming in and later find out they don't want to be at ND. I am think you have reading comprehension issues.

When I see a kid take his recruitment announcement to the last day and have a publicity trainwreck (Neal) thats a red flag. So excuse me for not being surprised.

Nix stuck around after a change in coaches. That is a green flag. Tuitt wavered at the end but was not a recruiting diva. Great I am glad both of them have stuck.

he actually committed post weis firing and pre kelly hiring. this is why i will always love that kid. he truly committed to ND the University IMO. his commitment was a flicker of light at one of our darkets hours.

 

[kmoose]

For me its not whether they are 5 stars or 2 stars, there has been significant improvements in the product that plays on saturdays and thats all any of us should care about.

While I agree with the former, the latter is completely wrong, in my opinion: The "product", to many of us who follow Notre Dame, is more than just Saturday football. The "product" doesn't only exist from whistle to whistle. Being an ND fan is about standing up for what is right, more often than not. It's about not compromising beliefs for a fleeting, temporary sense of accomplishment. It's about living life the right way, so that you can have a lifetime of accomplishment. Just some rambling thoughts on a Friday morning.

 

[Cackalacky]

While I agree with the former, the latter is completely wrong, in my opinion: The "product", to many of us who follow Notre Dame, is more than just Saturday football. The "product" doesn't only exist from whistle to whistle. Being an ND fan is about standing up for what is right, more often than not. It's about not compromising beliefs for a fleeting, temporary sense of accomplishment. It's about living life the right way, so that you can have a lifetime of accomplishment. Just some rambling thoughts on a Friday morning.

I wanted to say this but this is much more eloquent than what I had in my head. reps.

 

[STLDomer]

Justin Hopkins of 247 is hearing ND has absolutely no intent to release Vanderdoes of his commitment and EV is leaning torwards sitting out an entire year over playing at a lower classification w/ minimal to no chance Eddie reports to June camp at ND.

 

[Luckylucci]

Not sure how that is relevant to the conversation. So what Kelly is doing in recruiting is some how defaming the university? Weis teams were falling apart because of the I and me attitude that was very apparent. Kelly's teams are getting stronger behind the idea that we are ND and we can't be broken.

You snuck in there STL, this isn't directed at your post.

 

[greyhammer90]

Justin Hopkins of 247 is hearing ND has absolutely no intent to release Vanderdoes of his commitment and EV is leaning torwards sitting out an entire year over playing at a lower classification w/ minimal to no chance Eddie reports to June camp at ND.

If that's the case I'm pretty disappointed in him. Not because of the ND thing because its not for everyone, but waiting for a year doesn't say good things about your drive for competition.

 

[ScooterIrish]

Oye vey! They dont have baggage because they switch a verbal. They have baggage coming in and later find out they don't want to be at ND. I am think you have reading comprehension issues.

When I see a kid take his recruitment announcement to the last day and have a publicity trainwreck (Neal) thats a red flag. So excuse me for not being surprised.

Nix stuck around after a change in coaches. That is a green flag. Tuitt wavered at the end but was not a recruiting diva. Great I am glad both of them have stuck.

I think you don't understand how recruiting and college football works. Sorry you are kind of clueless?

Again, Neal wanted to be at ND but made a switch for his family. Having a kid doesn't mean baggage - we've had plenty of players have kids and stick around.

And again, please point out that I said you should be surprised they left? I was pointing out that it wasn't a surprise they left and why it had nothing to do with Kelly. Speaking of reading comprehension you clown.

Please read more and post less.

 

[kmoose]

If that's the case I'm pretty disappointed in him. Not because of the ND thing because its not for everyone, but waiting for a year doesn't say good things about your drive for competition.

If he loses a year of eligibility, I can understand not wanting to burn one of your few years at a lower classification school. just sayin..............

 

[Luckylucci]

Hopkins also said that what ND is saying and UCLA is saying varies. He believes the reality is probably somewhere in the middle. Also, he's been told that this disagreement is about more than just academics and course requirements, but that speculation is farther than he wants to go.

 

[peoriairish]

I did not forget and I left them off my list. I hope they stick.

Crack slacky... Neal was all in and the kid was born while at ND.

When to go back to watch game film, or mid week outside the lines videos, Neal is excited to be at ND. He was frequently the first to congratulate and celebrate with his teammates after a touchdown and could always be found focusing on the field from the sidelines instead of sulking behind the other players. He was always present with and hanging out with kids on the team and in his dorm. I truely believe that leaving ND was a tough decision for him because be loved the university and the team.

 

[Cackalacky]

I think you don't understand how recruiting and college football works. Sorry you are kind of clueless? I am less knowledgable about it than some here, but I am not wholly ignorant. There is also the way football and recruiting works for the rest of the country but at ND we expect more and should.

Again, Neal wanted to be at ND but made a switch for his family. Having a kid doesn't mean baggage - we've had plenty of players have kids and stick around.Never said having a kid is baggage. He was a recruiting nightmare. that is baggage and an indicator, to me at least, that there will be future drama.

And again, please point out that I said you should be surprised they left? I was pointing out that it wasn't a surprise they left and why it had nothing to do with Kelly.I was saying i was not surprised they left but was only questioning why so many were leaving under Kelly, not blaming him Speaking of reading comprehension you clown.Petty. You won't be here long with this type of response.

Please read more and post less.

LOL.....

 

[Luckylucci]

I just want to add here for discussion as well because a poster on 247 brought up a good point. What does UCLA have to say about this? There shouldn't be a side to their story, from my understanding they shouldn't have communicated with Eddie at all until he was out of his NLI.

 

[IrishLax]

Alright we need to stop posting about previous leavers. The "facts" being presented about them are all over the place right now and in many cases way off. Ironman spelled out a couple pages ago fairly succinctly each ones scenario and this recent back-and-forth is just all over the place.

Let's stick to EV.

 

[chicago51]

Did we decide who the scapegoat is yet?

 

[IrishLax]

I just want to add here for discussion as well because a poster on 247 brought up a good point. What does UCLA have to say about this? There shouldn't be a side to their story, from my understanding they shouldn't have communicated with Eddie at all until he was out of his NLI.

This x100. This how you absolutely, unequivocally know there was tampering. It is completely obvious by all the posts from their sources about it "being in the works for awhile" that there is tons of impermissible contact.

 

[greyhammer90]

If he loses a year of eligibility, I can understand not wanting to burn one of your few years at a lower classification school. just sayin..............

I thought he would lose a year of eligibility if he chose to sit out?

 

[IrishLax]

Did we decide who the scapegoat is yet?

To me, it's sounding like EV will say we bait & switched him. We will say he didn't do stuff he needed to do XYZ like he was expected to or something to that effect or maybe just have no comment. From what I heard the day this was breaking, it's that there was serious beef with an assistant coach (I'm assuming Denbrock or Elston because I don't think it was Diaco) that there was no way to fix. The specifics of that beef or who exactly is to "blame" will probably never surface in detail.

 

[Luckylucci]

This x100. This how you absolutely, unequivocally know there was tampering. It is completely obvious by all the posts from their sources about it "being in the works for awhile" that there is tons of impermissible contact.

I really hope ND at least takes the time and resources to follow this wherever it leads.

 

[Cackalacky]

Crack slacky... Neal was all in and the kid was born while at ND.

When to go back to watch game film, or mid week outside the lines videos, Neal is excited to be at ND. He was frequently the first to congratulate and celebrate with his teammates after a touchdown and could always be found focusing on the field from the sidelines instead of sulking behind the other players. He was always present with and hanging out with kids on the team and in his dorm. I truely believe that leaving ND was a tough decision for him because be loved the university and the team.

I never stated anything different. I was excited about him being at ND. I hope it was a tough decision and I have defended him for making the choice he did. I would have done the same thing I think. I am not singling out any one person, but there is a pattern under Kelly I have not seen before. Obviously Kelly is targeting top talent. Weis was trying to re-build. Willingham did not give a shits, I just don't believe what is going on under Kelly is not Lemony Snicketts Series of Unfortunate Events.

 

[STLDomer]

Cackalacky and others,

Can u take your poop slinging contest elsewhere? There is real news about this kid named Eddie Vanderdoes some may want to discuss

 

[STLDomer]

To me, it's sounding like EV will say we bait & switched him. We will say he didn't do stuff he needed to do XYZ like he was expected to or something to that effect or maybe just have no comment. From what I heard the day this was breaking, it's that there was serious beef with an assistant coach (I'm assuming Denbrock or Elston because I don't think it was Diaco) that there was no way to fix. The specifics of that beef or who exactly is to "blame" will probably never surface in detail.

Could ND of sold EV on playing DE and then later told him we wanted him at NG and he got pissed?

 

[Cackalacky]

Cackalacky and others,

Can u take your poop slinging contest elsewhere? There is real speculation about this kid named Eddie Vanderdoes some may want to discuss

FIFY. Mods can move it. I dont care. I can see this is some serious stuff.

 

[NDdomer2]

Same aisle as the tampons.

which reminds me...

 

[Emcee77]

Could ND of sold EV on playing DE and then later told him we wanted him at NG and he got pissed?

Maybe, but I'd be surprised. Honestly, watching EV's tape, he doesn't look like a NG to me. He's way too athletic, almost linebacker-athletic. He's like Sheldon Day ... looks like a NG but plays like a DE. I don't know why we would put him at NG permanently or even semi-permanently, even assuming Nix leaves after this season and there will be a hole at NG in 2014. Better to do NG-by-committee and rotate guys around -- EV takes his turn on the nose, but that's all, because it would just be wasteful not to use a guy with his size and athleticism at DE.

There have been rumors about academics. Denbrock or Elston or someone must have misinformed Eddie about something, and it broke Eddie's trust in the staff. That's my guess.

 

[Bluto]

To me, it's sounding like EV will say we bait & switched him. We will say he didn't do stuff he needed to do XYZ like he was expected to or something to that effect or maybe just have no comment. From what I heard the day this was breaking, it's that there was serious beef with an assistant coach (I'm assuming Denbrock or Elston because I don't think it was Diaco) that there was no way to fix. The specifics of that beef or who exactly is to "blame" will probably never surface in detail.

EV is a vegetarian!? Case closed!

 

[kmoose]

I thought he would lose a year of eligibility if he chose to sit out?

He loses a year of eligibility if breaks the NLI. Which means (as I understand it) he has 4 years to play 3 seasons. If he plays a year at a lower division, he will only be able to play 2 years of D-IA. At least, that's how I understand it, anyway. IF that's accurate, I could understand him sitting out one of his 4 years, to be able to play 3 seasons at D-IA.

 

[Luckylucci]

Could ND of sold EV on playing DE and then later told him we wanted him at NG and he got pissed?

TJ at rivals addressed that saying that we never wanted him at NG. We always thought his services were best be DE in the 3-4 and DT in the 4-3. With that said, one could speculate that a certain fan base and football staff may have convinced Eddie otherwise......UCLA

 

[dublinirish]

Could ND of sold EV on playing DE and then later told him we wanted him at NG and he got pissed?

very doubtful

 

[goldandblue]

A great example of a 5 star talent under Weis that didn't stick here at ND was Chris Martin.. Look at him now. He has been out of high school what 2-3 years. Has he even played a down of football?


Weis 5 star talent per rivals.

2006 - James Aldridge, Sam Young - Both High Character kids neither Young or Aldridge lived up to expectations. (Weis Recruits)

2007 - Jimmy Clausen - started freshman year. Why would he leave?No problem here
2008 - Dayne Crist, Micheal Floyd, Kyle Rudolph - Plenty of playing time with the exception of Crist. Crist thought he had the starting job wrapped up within two years for sure and he did but lost it. No problem here. Weis recruits
2009 - Manti Teo - Need I say anything about the character of this young man?Weis recruit. I have been quiet on his imaginary girlfriend and I will remain so. Other than that he exemplified everything ND is about.

Kelly 5 star talent per rivals

2010 - 0
2011 - Stephon Tuitt, Ishaq Williams - Aaron Lynch actually rated a 4 star on rivals. Stephon and Ishaq still with the program and doing well. Aaron Lynch left to go home to his girlfriend and need I remind you that his own mother was totally against this move and reached out to Justin Tuck to talk her son out of leaving....Great for Williams and Tuitt. Who cares about Lynch's mom. Lynch made the decision

2012 - Gunner Kiel, Davonte Neal - Most people want to add Deontay Greenberry and Tee shepard in the mix here as 5 star talent as well. First off, Deontay never signed a LOI. He committed to the Irish in my opinion with pressure from his cousin Tee Shepard and never was truly committed to coming here. Tee Shepard on the other hand made it on campus somehow but was no where near ready to take on the academic rigors of ND. Davonte in my opinion did the right thing. He had a child and had an opportunity to be a father and raise that child so he took it. Kudos to him and ND for allowing him to leave and be a father that so many choose not to do.Up until NSD, Greenbery was in the bag and I ask if there was anyone here who thought otherwise. This place was in meltdown mode on NSD. Tee was EE'd and could not make the clearing house? How? I do not know when Davonte became a father (if it was before or after being at ND, but this kid was never fully on board and I ask someone to prove that wrong. Look at his press conference. Kudos for him going back to be a father, does not change the fact that he was a recruiting nightmare too, just like Kiel.

2013 - Greg Bryant, Max Redfield, Jaylon Smith, Eddie Vanderdoes - 3 of the 4 cannot wait to get on campus. Vanderdoes for reasons unknown by the majority of the public is pissed about something and doesn't want to come. By reading through this thread I gather that he was asked to do something from an academic standpoint for admissions and did not/was not going to do anymore work.We will see how these guys turn out. Losing one already. I hope they stick.

In summary, maybe Brian Kelly is taking more chances with his recruits. Hoping that if he can get them on campus, he and the Notre Dame experience will mold these young athletes into men.

Cackalacky,
What I learned from your response.
1. Weis was a great recruiter and could hold on to his 5 star talent... Brian Kelly cannot.

2. That No 18 year old kid ala Lynch has ever made a dumb decision over a piece of a$$. Which somehow equates to Kelly not being able to hold on to talent.

3. You don't have a clue about what the hell your talking about considering you don't even know when Davonte Neal had his baby... but yet you can judge his interest in the ND program by watching a few 30 second interviews.

4. We should never recruit a kid who is unsure about a decision that will affect the rest of his life a "recruiting nightmare" as you call it. Kinda like Everett Golson who was committed to another school before ours and came in late in the process.

5. We are going to lose every 5 star player we get. Including the 3 left in the 2013 class.

6. Your post and your reasoning sucks.