'12 CA DT/DE Arik Armstead (Oregon Verbal)

[koonja]

FWIW, the Auburn people who think they'll end up at Auburn are sticking to the "They're delaying because they want to come here and need to make sure Armond is cleared first" story.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

that's a bogus excuse.. the rule, as I understand it, is based on how many years of eligibility you have left, not how many you should have left.. it'll be interesting to see if the SEC allows this transfer to go through and ruin the sliver of credibility that conference has left

Wait, are they arguing that he theoretically has two years of eligibility left because he could get a medical redshirt for 2011, then could theoretically be "redshirted" in 2012 and play in 2013? I mean, I guess that would be two years on the team but, if true, that's some pretty stretched reasoning.

I guess if they're hoping the SEC just needs some kind of rationale to wedge him into the rule then there it is.

 

[koonja]

At around 3pm today, Auburn guy reported that Armond has not yet petitioned the SEC for a waiver to be eligible to play next fall. If he does file, it could take days/weeks to get the results.

Interesting.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

FWIW, the Auburn people who think they'll end up at Auburn are sticking to the "They're delaying because they want to come here and need to make sure Armond is cleared first" story.

Occam's Razor says, "No Armsteads for you, Auburn." Much more likely that Arik was set to announce for Cal as recently as yesterday, but Lupoi's departure from Cal has spoiled Plan A. Thus, he's simply waiting on Gus and Armond to return so they can compare notes and make a decision.

Wait, are they arguing that he theoretically has two years of eligibility left because he could get a medical redshirt for 2011, then could theoretically be "redshirted" in 2012 and play in 2013? I mean, I guess that would be two years on the team but, if true, that's some pretty stretched reasoning.

I guess if they're hoping the SEC just needs some kind of rationale to wedge him into the rule then there it is.

The only argument I can come up with in favor of Auburn's waiver is that Armond is very likely to be granted a medical redshirt for the 2011 season, which would thereby make him eligible for transfer under the Masoli rule. The problem with that is it requires the SEC to guess at how the NCAA will rule on Armond's mysterious medical issues, which is anything but certain.

 

[palinurus]

well if granting the waiver allows for a better chance for a highly touted recruit to come to their conference, that wouldn't necessarily be bad for the conference.. i think that's a decent enough incentive.. but that's just my opinion

That's what I was thinking......I'm just paranoid enough to think the southerners like to stick it to the Catholics, esp. after the Kiel loss.

 

[palinurus]

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[palinurus]

Occam's Razor says, "No Armsteads for you, Auburn." Much more likely that Arik was set to announce for Cal as recently as yesterday, but Lupoi's departure from Cal has spoiled Plan A. Thus, he's waiting on Gus and Armond to return so they can compare notes and make a decision.
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On the other hand, I am always inclined to support posts based on "Occam's Razor." ^ for that.

 

[koonja]

All Auburn posters believe (from the theory above) that Arik wants to go to Auburn but they're just making sure Armond can get cleared by SEC. FWIW.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

All Auburn posters believe (from the theory above) that Arik wants to go to Auburn but they're just making sure Armond can get cleared by SEC. FWIW.

Yet Armond hasn't applied for such a waiver yet. Auburn literally has no reason to feel optimistic right now.

 

[AvesEvo]

Occam's Razor says, "No Armsteads for you, Auburn.

I'm much more interested in what Stone Cold has to say.

 

[koonja]

Yet Armond hasn't applied for such a waiver yet. Auburn literally has no reason to feel optimistic right now.

For sure. Although, that was from ~3 hours ago, but still, if he was planning on appealing the SEC, wouldn't you start that before you head for ND?

And the Auburn-guy still thinks (as of a couple hours ago) ND is the team to beat, but the Auburn fans apparently don't believe him. They're sold that Arik wants Auburn with no substantial info.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

And the Auburn-guy still thinks (as of a couple hours ago) ND is the team to beat, but the Auburn fans apparently don't believe him. They're sold that Arik wants Auburn with no substantial info.

Typical SEC egocentrism. Let the mouth-breathers think what they want until Armstead announces he's Irish. Then we can enjoy watching them all turn on him/ cry sour grapes.

 

[NDFAN420]

Occam's Razor says, "No Armsteads for you, Auburn.

Nothing against you, i like your posts, but, I don't think anyone one of us has enough info to start using occam's razor. You want to use that razor on a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me.

 

[IrishBlood81]

Man I'm just so excited! With Gunner on board I feel like anything is possible and can happen! ...which can lead to greater disappointment but I don't care
Dorial Green-Beckham is coming to ND as far as I feel!!!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Nothing against you, i like your posts, but, I don't think anyone one of us has enough info to start using occam's razor.

I find that Occam's Razor is most useful when information is scarcest. Auburn's theory on why Arik hasn't committed yet-- that he really wants to go to Auburn but has to wait on Armond's waiver-- contradicts what little we do know; most notably that Armond hasn't even applied for the waiver yet. The simpler and more obvious explanation-- that Arik's "Plan A" (Cal) has been foiled, so he now needs a little time to regroup with his family-- sounds much more plausible to me.

You want to use that razor on a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me.

It's like what Lenin said about Auburn fans... you look for the person who will benefit, and uh, uh...

 

[stlnd01]

I still fail to understand the appeal of Auburn, at least for someone not from the Deep South.
I know they have a good head coach and won the title last year, but over time they're like the fourth best program in the SEC West. And they're a pure football factory, liable to get busted by the NCAA at any moment.
I can maybe see it for Armond - he's already graduated and is looking for a one-year pit stop to boost his NFL chances and playing in the SEC is playing against the best.
But for Arik? For four/five years? I just don't get it. Seems like he's got a good head on his shoulders. He can't really go wrong at Notre Dame.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I still fail to understand the appeal of Auburn, at least for someone not from the Deep South.
I know they have a good head coach and won the title last year, but over time they're like the fourth best program in the SEC West. And they're a pure football factory, liable to get busted by the NCAA at any moment.
I can maybe see it for Armond - he's already graduated and is looking for a one-year pit stop to boost his NFL chances and playing in the SEC is playing against the best.
But for Arik? For four/five years? I just don't get it. Seems like he's got a good head on his shoulders. He can't really go wrong at Notre Dame.

I agree 100% with everything you say...that being said auburn has going for them that they play in the best conference in America and the campus actually is quite nice as those who have been there can confirm. I was recruited to play baseball there and ultimately ended up going elsewhere with distance being a factor...but they definitely gave me something to think about.

 

[fishy]

Perish the thought but perhaps he joins his brother at USC?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Perish the thought but perhaps he joins his brother at USC?

His brother is transferring. Notre Dame is a candidate for both Armsteads.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

Perish the thought but perhaps he joins his brother at USC?

Ummm. No

 

[NDBoiler]

Perish the thought but perhaps he joins his brother at USC?

Perish the thought, but have you been living under a rock for the last few weeks, or were you being sarcastic (i.e. should've been in italics)?

 

[fishy]

Is Armond's transfer an absolute, done deal? No chance he stays?

 

[KPENN]

Is Armond's transfer an absolute, done deal? No chance he stays?

Yeah he's gone.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Is Armond's transfer an absolute, done deal? No chance he stays?

Correct. And Arik has ruled out USC as a destination.

 

[NDinFL]

Is Armond's transfer an absolute, done deal? No chance he stays?

 

[Rack Em]

Yet Armond hasn't applied for such a waiver yet. Auburn literally has no reason to feel optimistic right now.

"I don't care for Auburn"

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[Bogtrotter07]

Quote:
Originally Posted by stlnd01
I still fail to understand the appeal of Auburn, at least for someone not from the Deep South.
I know they have a good head coach and won the title last year, but over time they're like the fourth best program in the SEC West. And they're a pure football factory, liable to get busted by the NCAA at any moment.
I can maybe see it for Armond - he's already graduated and is looking for a one-year pit stop to boost his NFL chances and playing in the SEC is playing against the best.
But for Arik? For four/five years? I just don't get it. Seems like he's got a good head on his shoulders. He can't really go wrong at Notre Dame.

I agree 100% with everything you say...that being said auburn has going for them that they play in the best conference in America and the campus actually is quite nice as those who have been there can confirm. I was recruited to play baseball there and ultimately ended up going elsewhere with distance being a factor...but they definitely gave me something to think about.

I will tell you this, a few years ago a professor, who did grad work at the Univ of Toledo, strange guy, gave grades to athletes for free in his classes. As I remember, he did this with between two and three dozen players before the whole thing was exposed. Several players achived "A" quality work without ever having attended a class or taken a test. More than one of these students couldn't even identify what classroom or building in which the course was taught.

Talked about this with a friend of mine and we both agreed he was always pretty weird. I believe he is still teaching away at Auburn.

 

[BurningRiver]

I think Arik should consider us, the fans who are glued to his life, and speed up this decision for us.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I will tell you this, a few years ago a professor, who did grad work at the Univ of Toledo, strange guy, gave grades to athletes for free in his classes. As I remember, he did this with between two and three dozen players before the whole thing was exposed. Several players achived "A" quality work without ever having attended a class or taken a test. More than one of these students couldn't even identify what classroom or building in which the course was taught.

Talked about this with a friend of mine and we both agreed he was always pretty weird. I believe he is still teaching away at Auburn.

Well, in Auburn's defense, it's in a pretty cool college town, has decent science programs, and spends as much as anyone in the country on football/facilities. Fan bases/students are football fanatics too, which never hurts.

It's agricultural and engineering schools are good too. The current CEO of Apple went to Auburn, who also happens to be the highest paid CEO in the U.S. So I guess that makes his ROI for his Auburn degree like fifty kabillion percent.

 

[Irish YJ]

Well, in Auburn's defense, it's in a pretty cool college town, has decent science programs, and spends as much as anyone in the country on football/facilities. Fan bases/students are football fanatics too, which never hurts.

It's agricultural and engineering schools are good too. The current CEO of Apple went to Auburn, who also happens to be the highest paid CEO in the U.S. So I guess that makes his ROI for his Auburn degree like fifty kabillion percent.

Don't forget the smokin' hot chicks