'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[Irish YJ]

You always root for the teams ND has to play. It's really not complicated lol.

most of the time I'd agree.
just will be strange against an ND grad.

 

[Irish YJ]

* Except the Skunkbears of course

and USC

 

[ulukinatme]

most of the time I'd agree.
just will be strange against an ND grad.

Well, think of it this way. FSU has a better shot of making the playoffs than GT, better that FSU lose so we have a better chance of getting in.

 

[woolybug25]

Well, think of it this way. FSU has a better shot of making the playoffs than GT, better that FSU lose so we have a better chance of getting in.

I don't think FSU has a better shot because they are the better team, I think it is all about their respective schedules. I think GT will win this game, but they have a much harder schedule than FSU. GT has to play ND, NCar, Duke, Clemson, Pitt, VT, Virginia, Miami and Georgia. That's all outside of the FSU matchup.

FSU on the other hand, has Boston College, Clemson, Miami, Louisville and Florida as their "tough" games outside of GT. Total cakewalk.

 

[wizards8507]

and USC

Disagree. I want USC to go 11-1 every year, with their one loss against us. Michigan can go 0-12 for all I care.

 

[ulukinatme]

I don't think FSU has a better shot because they are the better team, I think it is all about their respective schedules. I think GT will win this game, but they have a much harder schedule than FSU. GT has to play ND, NCar, Duke, Clemson, Pitt, VT, Virginia, Miami and Georgia. That's all outside of the FSU matchup.

FSU on the other hand, has Boston College, Clemson, Miami, Louisville and Florida as their "tough" games outside of GT. Total cakewalk.

Exactly. Better than FSU drops a game against GT, as I have no confidence that any of those other teams will get the job done. Who has the best shot to beat FSU among those other teams, Clemson? Louisville? They should be favored in just about every game. Better that they lose to GT if they can provide an upset.

 

[ulukinatme]

Disagree. I want USC to go 11-1 every year, with their one loss against us. Michigan can go 0-12 for all I care.

After the 2000s, I'm perfectly content with USC going 0-12. The last several years of Trojan mediocrity were beautiful.

 

[woolybug25]

Disagree. I want USC to go 11-1 every year, with their one loss against us. Michigan can go 0-12 for all I care.

That type of season would be boarderline erotic to me...

 

[irish4ever]

Disagree. I want USC to go 11-1 every year, with their one loss against us. Michigan can go 0-12 for all I care.

Ditto for me! Michigan can go 0-12 EVERY year and my CFB season would be fantastic (along w/ the Irish kicking ass also)!!!

 

[wizards8507]

Exactly. Better than FSU drops a game against GT, as I have no confidence that any of those other teams will get the job done. Who has the best shot to beat FSU among those other teams, Clemson? Louisville? They should be favored in just about every game. Better that they lose to GT if they can provide an upset.

Chance Florida State wins, underdog games bolded:

Texas State - 93%
South Florida - 94%
Boston College - 82%
Wake Forest - 80%
Miami - 65%
Louisville - 74%
Georgia Tech - 45%
Syracuse - 89%
Clemson - 39%
NC State - 72%
Chattanooga - 100%
Florida - 48%

Note, this is pre-Golson transfer.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Note, this is pre-Golson transfer.

So they should now be underdogs in the majority of their games.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Chance Florida State wins, underdog games bolded:

Texas State - 93%
South Florida - 94%
Boston College - 82%
Wake Forest - 80%
Miami - 65%
Louisville - 74%
Georgia Tech - 45%
Syracuse - 89%
Clemson - 39%
NC State - 72%
Chattanooga - 100%
Florida - 48%

Note, this is pre-Golson transfer.

Not sure what Florida has done recently that would suggest they should be favored.

 

[wizards8507]

So they should now be underdogs in the majority of their games.

Not sure what Florida has done recently that would suggest they should be favored.

Preseason FPI is a pretty complicated formula that includes head coach tenure, recruiting classes, prior season offensive, defensive, and special teams efficiencies, and returning starters.

 

[BGIF]

Disagree. I want USC to go 11-1 every year, with their one loss against us. Michigan can go 0-12 for all I care.

Hear! Hear!

I want every opponent to go 11-1. Let them miss out on an NC by a 1 point loss to ND on a FG made at the gun or a FG blocked on the final play. "Oooooh, you were that close Trojans, what a shame."


When Michigan was on our schedule I rooted for their losses in the Winningest Percentage battle but I wanted enough wins to help our Strength of Schedule. Now that they're off our schedule, 0-12 would be acceptable.


Never understood the Alabama/Auburn fan concept of rooting for you opponent to go winless. "I'm a Bama fan, I root for The Tide and whoever's playing Auburn." Where's the glory in beating a doormat? It's like scheduling IAA Southeast Nowhere State ... yeah, right, they do that too.

 

[wizards8507]

Never understood the Alabama/Auburn fan concept of rooting for you opponent to go winless. "I'm a Bama fan, I root for The Tide and whoever's playing Auburn."

Until you get to bowl season. Then it's ESS-EE-SEE, ESS-EE-SEE!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Agreed, BGIF!

Hey, what does everyone think about changing the title of this thread from "EG" to "All about the Criminoles?"

 

[ulukinatme]

Chance Florida State wins, underdog games bolded:

Texas State - 93%
South Florida - 94%
Boston College - 82%
Wake Forest - 80%
Miami - 65%
Louisville - 74%
Georgia Tech - 45%
Syracuse - 89%
Clemson - 39%
NC State - 72%
Chattanooga - 100%
Florida - 48%

Note, this is pre-Golson transfer.

I question that Florida is ready to turn things around that quickly. The one thing they do have going for them is they face FSU at the very end of the season and in the Swamp. That gives them more time to get their stuff together. That aside, Winston threw 4 picks and FSU still won last season. Everett can certainly match those turnover numbers, but if he does a decent job taking care of the football this year FSU will do well. I think GT gives the most likely chance for a FSU loss as Clemson is replacing a bunch of players and Florida will likely need time to improve.

 

[ulukinatme]

Hear! Hear!

I want every opponent to go 11-1. Let them miss out on an NC by a 1 point loss to ND on a FG made at the gun or a FG blocked on the final play. "Oooooh, you were that close Trojans, what a shame."


When Michigan was on our schedule I rooted for their losses in the Winningest Percentage battle but I wanted enough wins to help our Strength of Schedule. Now that they're off our schedule, 0-12 would be acceptable.


Never understood the Alabama/Auburn fan concept of rooting for you opponent to go winless. "I'm a Bama fan, I root for The Tide and whoever's playing Auburn." Where's the glory in beating a doormat? It's like scheduling IAA Southeast Nowhere State ... yeah, right, they do that too.

A winless USC team wouldn't keep us out of the playoff if we went 12-0. At 11-1 we likely don't get in against the other Power 5 conference champions (Unless 2 of the 5 champions have 2 losses or more), no matter what USC's record is. So, I root for the Irish to go 12-0 and USC to go 0-12. An 11-1 USC team is still a successful Trojan team and it gives them hope. I prefer that they're destitute and in a dumpster fire.

 

[irishtrain]

If he plays and starts he'll be one of the best QB's in the country. Put it this way ---if Zaire matches what Golson does at FSU ( in terms of success ) Notre Dame will have a helluva season.

 

[wizards8507]

If he plays and starts he'll be one of the best QB's in the country.

Based on what, exactly? Is it his fumbles or his undersized frame that give you such great confidence?

 

[NDinL.A.]

Disagree. I want USC to go 11-1 every year, with their one loss against us. Michigan can go 0-12 for all I care.

Disagree. I NEVER root for USC to win. I enjoy a loss by them (and the subsequent fall out and schadenfreude) almost as much as I do a Notre Dame win.

(Although, my hatred for the SEC MIGHT make me root for them against Bama next year. Ugh.)

 

[ulukinatme]

Disagree. I NEVER root for USC to win. I enjoy a loss by them (and the subsequent fall out and schadenfreude) almost as much as I do a Notre Dame win.

(Although, my hatred for the SEC MIGHT make me root for them against Bama next year. Ugh.)

LA gets it.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Based on what, exactly? Is it his fumbles or his undersized frame that give you such great confidence?

Because you have always hated Golson, you'll never see a thing he did as being good. I mean, you once said that a throw by Zaire in a spring practice where there was no threat of being hit was better than any throw Golson had ever made (better than Golson's 4th qt bomb to Brown on the road in a tie game that essentially allowed us to get to the playoffs; better than Golson's 30 yd p-rod to Eifert in the end zone against Stanford as we were losing in a driving rain, etc).

When you say things like that, it's hard to take anything you say about Golson seriously. Save for a complete bs call by the refs, he was masterful against against FSU and essentially went for 4 TD's against 1 pick, on the road, against the defending champs in what should have been a comeback victory. Obviously ignored by you, but it (and many other moments) showed that the kid has some game.

I'm not sad he's gone bc of all the other baggage, but there's a reason why half the SEC wanted him, and he landed at a school that's been 25-1 the past 2 years.

 

[wizards8507]

Because you have always hated Golson, you'll never see a thing he did as being good. I mean, you once said that a throw by Zaire in a spring practice where there was no threat of being hit better than any throw Golson had ever made (better than Golson's 4th qt bomb to Brown on the road in a tie game that essentially allowed us to get to the playoffs; better than Golson's p-rod to Eifert in the end zone against Stanford as we were losing in a driving rain, etc).

When you say things like that, it's hard to take anything you say about Golson seriously. Save for a complete bs call by the refs, he was masterful against against FSU and essentially went for 4 TD's against 1 pick, on the road, against the defending champs in what should have been a comeback victory. Obviously ignored by you, but it (and many other moments) showed that the kid has some game.

I'm not sad he's gone bc of all the other baggage, but there's a reason why half the SEC wanted him, and he landed at a school that's been 25-1 the past 2 years.

He absolutely has some game. He's had some great moments. He's also been wildly inconsistent. I would take a consistently B+ quarterback over a quarterback who's occasionally an A+ and occasionally an F, because those F moments can lose you football games.

The poster to whom I responded said "one of the best QBs in the country," and I think that's a remarkable stretch of the imagination. He was 25th last year in Total QBR. That's not "one of the best QBs in the country."

 

[Irish YJ]

Based on what, exactly? Is it his fumbles or his undersized frame that give you such great confidence?

edit - I thought this was a response to my post...

Based on he's an ND grad, took us to a natty, etc.. I've never been a huge EG fan as a QB. I think he was overhyped even when he was playing good. That said, he was Irish. He may not have been the leader we needed, and he may have been a TO machine at times, but he stuck with us during the academic issues when he could have transferred, gave us 4 years, and graduated. 40 year decision completed, and now he's doing what he thinks is best for his dream of jumping to the NFL. I don't think he'll ever make it in the NFL, but I don't fault him for following his dream.

Disagree. I NEVER root for USC to win. I enjoy a loss by them (and the subsequent fall out and schadenfreude) almost as much as I do a Notre Dame win.

(Although, my hatred for the SEC MIGHT make me root for them against Bama next year. Ugh.)

Yep, not to mention the recruiting implications. I down USC hurts us a bit in SOS, but help us in recruiting as well. Back to the enjoyment factor.... A loss by USC has always been pure bliss to me. I was raised a Trojan hater. If it came down to needing them to clearly win a specific game for us to get a shot at a Natty, I'd cheer for them. Other than that, I hope they get smacked around every game.

 

[NDinL.A.]

He absolutely has some game. He's had some great moments. He's also been wildly inconsistent. I would take a consistently B+ quarterback over a quarterback who's occasionally an A+ and occasionally an F, because those F moments can lose you football games.

The poster to whom I responded said "one of the best QBs in the country," and I think that's a remarkable stretch of the imagination. He was 25th last year in Total QBR. That's not "one of the best QBs in the country."

I don't disagree with any of that. But that's a far cry from your post claiming there's basically nothing to like. There's a ton to like, and a ton to dislike. I can see why so many coaches hoped that with a change of scenery, he'd be an upgrade over what they had.

 

[ulukinatme]

edit - I thought this was a response to my post...

Based on he's an ND grad, took us to a natty, etc.. I've never been a huge EG fan as a QB. I think he was overhyped even when he was playing good. That said, he was Irish. He may not have been the leader we needed, and he may have been a TO machine at times, but he stuck with us during the academic issues when he could have transferred, gave us 4 years, and graduated. 40 year decision completed, and now he's doing what he thinks is best for his dream of jumping to the NFL. I don't think he'll ever make it in the NFL, but I don't fault him for following his dream.

Feel the same as you. I was never really on board the hype train, especially after the academic stuff came out. I never wished him any ill will, and I supported him while he was the QB though. Still, in retrospect, I kind of wish he would have moved on after the academic issue. It would have given Zaire a full year to mature and we could be talking about his second year as a full starter right now. Plus it would have given Kizer more 2nd team reps and we wouldn't be so worried about the QB position.

 

[BobbyMac]

Feel the same as you. I was never really on board the hype train, especially after the academic stuff came out. I never wished him any ill will, and I supported him while he was the QB though. Still, in retrospect, I kind of wish he would have moved on after the academic issue. It would have given Zaire a full year to mature and we could be talking about his second year as a full starter right now. Plus it would have given Kizer more 2nd team reps and we wouldn't be so worried about the QB position.

This exactly with one caveat... There is something magical about first year starting QB's and national championships. Had MZ been the starter last year, it surely would have been wasted on the Irish roster of Banged up and M.A.S.H. This year however it's more Bangers and Smash. The stars they be alignin'.


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[irishfan]

I'll be rooting for him this season. It will suck if we go 8-4 or 9-3 and FSU makes the playoff, but I'd rather see him win it than Ohio State or an SEC team.

Plus, Jimbo is a QB whisperer. Jamarcus, Ponder, Manuel, Winston. I think Golson will be very, very good this season for them. His pure passing numbers were very good, and I don't think the fumble problem is something he can't correct.

The coaches didn't exactly do him any favors last season with the play calling. They put way too much on him. Even the turnover-filled ASU first half was the coaches not making any adjustment to ASU blitzing off the edge over and over again. A real holder and commitment to the run game and we could have been 9-3 and he's the unquestioned starter here right now.

 

[RDU Irish]

Lemme see, why would anyone think Golson will put up good numbers this year and look awesome:

Texas State Bobcats
USF Bulls
@ Boston College Eagles
week off
@ Wake Forest Demon Deacons
Miami Hurricanes
Louisville Cardinals
@ Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Syracuse Orange
@ Clemson Tigers
NC State Wolfpack
Chattanooga Mocs
@ Florida Gators

The guy can sleep in the entire month of September.

Also look at their WR roster. Full of 5 star talent.

Golson picked a great spot for him. They will chuck it around and WRs have skills to bail him out.