'11 CA LB Joe Schmidt (Scholarship Earned)

[dublinirish]

always disappointed when the assembled ND beat writers never question Kelly about Schmidt. They ham away all week on their podcasts about how poorly Joe plays and then when they get a chance in the pressers they never say anything.

 

[GowerND11]

Taking on a block like that is fine when its a run up the middle but when its a play in space you have to try and string it out and delay the ball carrier at least until the cavalry arrived. Anyone ever played Madden/NCAA and felt the painful "suction blocking" system the game uses to try and simulate collisions? This is what watching Joe Schmidt is like

As I said in my post, he needs to take on the block and try to string it out. It's a hard job for anyone especially when it's designed for Boyd to find a hole and go. Let's not forget that there were two other defenders engaged on the edge and neither were able to string it out and disengage either.

I'm not defending Joe in that he is perfect, he is far from it. But he did his job reasonably on that play. He certainly could have done better. But when Farley (who did have a pretty good game) is not reading his keys correctly, it's hard to fault Joe for the entire play.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Care to show me where the "spin" was in my post?

Your "spin" is constantly trying to make excuses or justify away the horrendous play of Schmidt all year and even on this particular play which was one of the worst you will see from a 5th yr Mike on a top 4 team. No comment about why he would have been chasing his man around out of bounds with his back to the play?

How about this one then...

Not sure how to embed, but the play starts at the 33:40 mark of the video. That is your starting MIKE ladies and gentlemen...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-cVN15Mxk4

 

[dublinirish]

As I said in my post, he needs to take on the block and try to string it out. It's a hard job for anyone especially when it's designed for Boyd to find a hole and go. Let's not forget that there were two other defenders engaged on the edge and neither were able to string it out and disengage either.

I'm not defending Joe in that he is perfect, he is far from it. But he did his job reasonably on that play. He certainly could have done better. But when Farley (who did have a pretty good game) is not reading his keys correctly, it's hard to fault Joe for the entire play.

Neither of which are Middle Line Backers. If your MLB can't shed blocks from fullbacks I don't know what he can do

 

[GowerND11]

Neither of which are Middle Line Backers. If your MLB can't shed blocks from fullbacks I don't know what he can do

I agree. Like I say to a lot of my players, he does about 80% right, it's that other 20% that he lacks... And unfortunately, that 20% is necessary to finish the play.

 

[kmoose]

Your "spin" is constantly trying to make excuses or justify away the horrendous play of Schmidt all year and even on this particular play which was one of the worst you will see from a 5th yr Mike on a top 4 team. No comment about why he would have been chasing his man around out of bounds with his back to the play?

How about this one then...

Not sure how to embed, but the play starts at the 33:40 mark of the video. That is your starting MIKE ladies and gentlemen...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-cVN15Mxk4

I never once said that last play was NOT Schmidt's fault. The problem is that YOU are confusing "not piling on the kid" with "defending him". On the play you reference in this post, Joe takes a different angle than Jaylon, because Joe has different responsibility. Joe is responsible for taking on the lead blocker, so he takes a more direct line to the corner. His job is to meet the fullback at the corner, allowing the DB to have a clean shot to the ball carrier. Jaylon actually beats the DB to the ball carrier, not Joe Schmidt. But Jaylon is MUCH faster than Schmidt. There's no doubt about that.

 

[Bugzly21]

Date Opponent Surface Result Solo Assisted Total
09/05/15 Texas Grass W 38-3 3 3 6
09/12/15 @ Virginia Grass W 34-27 2 4 6
09/19/15 Georgia Tech Grass W 30-22 8 2 10
09/26/15 Massachusetts Grass W 62-27 1 5 6
10/03/15 @ 1 Clemson Grass L 22-24 1 0 1
10/10/15 22 Navy Grass W 41-24 4 4 8
10/17/15 USC Grass W 41-31 3 1 4
10/31/15 @ 21 Temple Grass W 24-20 2 0 2
11/07/15 @ Pittsburgh Grass W 42-30 1 3 4

These are just not good numbers from a MLB. A lot of the assisted tackles are from when another player has the ball carrier locked up and Joe has come in just before the whistle

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I never once said that last play was NOT Schmidt's fault. The problem is that YOU are confusing "not piling on the kid" with "defending him". On the play you reference in this post, Joe takes a different angle than Jaylon, because Joe has different responsibility. Joe is responsible for taking on the lead blocker, so he takes a more direct line to the corner. His job is to meet the fullback at the corner, allowing the DB to have a clean shot to the ball carrier. Jaylon actually beats the DB to the ball carrier, not Joe Schmidt. But Jaylon is MUCH faster than Schmidt. There's no doubt about that.

The problem is this is pretty much Joe on 95% of our plays. Either trailing behind or being blocked completely out of the play, and of the 5% of the plays he actually gets there to make a play (not pile on when somebody else already made the play), it is 50/50 if he is going to make or miss the tackle.

 

[Wild Bill]

As sure as I am sitting here wasting time at work on IE, opposing offensive coordinators have #38 highlighted each week as the player they're going to attack and expose. If we're fortunate enough earn a playoff spot and BVG is dead set on playing him, he better figure out a way to hide him or avoid tendencies. With a month to prepare, an offensive coordinator is going to have a field day using formation and motion to put Joe in unfavorable match ups. I fvcking loathe Urban but can you imagine giving him a month to prepare against a Schmidt led defensive team?

 

[tussin]

As sure as I am sitting here wasting time at work on IE, opposing offensive coordinators have #38 highlighted each week as the player they're going to attack and expose. If we're fortunate enough earn a playoff spot and BVG is dead set on playing him, he better figure out a way to hide him or avoid tendencies. With a month to prepare, an offensive coordinator is going to have a field day using formation and motion to put Joe in unfavorable match ups. I fvcking loathe Urban but can you imagine giving him a month to prepare against a Schmidt led defensive team?

This is so true. If we make it to the playoff, Schmidt will likely be the weakest starter at any position on any team.

 

[kmoose]

The problem is this is pretty much Joe on 95% of our plays. Either trailing behind or being blocked completely out of the play, and of the 5% of the plays he actually gets there to make a play (not pile on when somebody else already made the play), it is 50/50 if he is going to make or miss the tackle.

He is slow, no one has ever argued differently. And that's a valid criticism of him. But as to the blocking part: If you know it is Joe's fault, then you should have analyzed it enough to tell......... what percentage of the time is it Joe's responsibility to take on the blocker, and what percentage is it just him getting blown up by a blocker?

 

[GoIrish41]

As sure as I am sitting here wasting time at work on IE, opposing offensive coordinators have #38 highlighted each week as the player they're going to attack and expose. If we're fortunate enough earn a playoff spot and BVG is dead set on playing him, he better figure out a way to hide him or avoid tendencies. With a month to prepare, an offensive coordinator is going to have a field day using formation and motion to put Joe in unfavorable match ups. I fvcking loathe Urban but can you imagine giving him a month to prepare against a Schmidt led defensive team?

Nightmare scenario: Saban with two or three weeks to game plan fo ND with Schmidt in the middle. Yikes!

 

[tussin]

Nightmare scenario: Saban with two or three weeks to game plan fo ND with Schmidt in the middle. Yikes!

Can you imagine JS trying to tackle Derrick Henry? It's actually comical to think about.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

He is slow, no one has ever argued differently. And that's a valid criticism of him. But as to the blocking part: If you know it is Joe's fault, then you should have analyzed it enough to tell......... what percentage of the time is it Joe's responsibility to take on the blocker, and what percentage is it just him getting blown up by a blocker?

It is NEVER going to be Joe's responsibility to absorb any blocker which is what he does. He either gets knocked back, or completely engulfed by blockers. He never blows up or defeats a block, he never uses his hands to shed a block, he never fights through a block, he never pushes a blocker backwards to disrupt a play. And that is not hyperbole..."never" is the appropriate word choice. Our MLB has VERY little if any impact on a an overwhelming majority of our plays. That is fact.

 

[Cackalacky]

As sure as I am sitting here wasting time at work on IE, opposing offensive coordinators have #38 highlighted each week as the player they're going to attack and expose. If we're fortunate enough earn a playoff spot and BVG is dead set on playing him, he better figure out a way to hide him or avoid tendencies. With a month to prepare, an offensive coordinator is going to have a field day using formation and motion to put Joe in unfavorable match ups. I fvcking loathe Urban but can you imagine giving him a month to prepare against a Schmidt led defensive team?

This is so true. If we make it to the playoff, Schmidt will likely be the weakest starter at any position on any team.

Nightmare scenario: Saban with two or three weeks to game plan fo ND with Schmidt in the middle. Yikes!

Can you imagine JS trying to tackle Derrick Henry? It's actually comical to think about.

This scares me as much as Pennywise still does.

 

[ACamp1900]

This scares me as much as Pennywise still does.

Surely you speak of the book version....

 

[gkIrish]

I never once said that last play was NOT Schmidt's fault. The problem is that YOU are confusing "not piling on the kid" with "defending him". On the play you reference in this post, Joe takes a different angle than Jaylon, because Joe has different responsibility. Joe is responsible for taking on the lead blocker, so he takes a more direct line to the corner. His job is to meet the fullback at the corner, allowing the DB to have a clean shot to the ball carrier. Jaylon actually beats the DB to the ball carrier, not Joe Schmidt. But Jaylon is MUCH faster than Schmidt. There's no doubt about that.

If your goal is not to defend him, but rather "not pile on," I think you should just keep quiet about Joe. Your posts have the effect of making us pile on even more.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

He is slow, no one has ever argued differently. And that's a valid criticism of him. But as to the blocking part: If you know it is Joe's fault, then you should have analyzed it enough to tell......... what percentage of the time is it Joe's responsibility to take on the blocker, and what percentage is it just him getting blown up by a blocker?

Watch the play that starts at 45.08 of the same video I posted above. Nothing that would stand out to you when watching the game, in fact a defensive win on that play by the Irish, but watch Joe get completely manhandled by the TE....if you go through and actually rewatch all of our games and isolate on Joe on each play, this is pretty much the norm every time anybody gets their hands on him, doesnt matter if it's an OL, TE, FB. Everybody else is moving towards the ball, and Joe is moving backwards away from it. Hell I'd like to see him take a on QB on a reverse and see if he could get off that block.

 

[Cackalacky]

Surely you speak of the book version....

ya.

 

[IrishLion]

I never once said that last play was NOT Schmidt's fault. The problem is that YOU are confusing "not piling on the kid" with "defending him". On the play you reference in this post, Joe takes a different angle than Jaylon, because Joe has different responsibility. Joe is responsible for taking on the lead blocker, so he takes a more direct line to the corner. His job is to meet the fullback at the corner, allowing the DB to have a clean shot to the ball carrier. Jaylon actually beats the DB to the ball carrier, not Joe Schmidt. But Jaylon is MUCH faster than Schmidt. There's no doubt about that.

Joe was unblocked, therefore Joe's angle should be towards the ball carrier. Joe took a poor angle and got beat to the edge.

If Jaylon doesn't make the play, it's at least a 7 yard gain on a basic Power-O play before the DB makes the tackle.

An offense should NOT gain 7 yards on a basic run play when your MLB is unblocked.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I am going to post this in about three zillion places.

Opponents are not targeting Joe Schmidt; they are targeting a defensive backfield guaranteed to fail if they see something that makes them have to rely on the system they have in place. Sound funny? The DB in particular cannot run the scheme they have been given. Not because it is two complex, but because they just don't hold the discipline. And it isn't everyone.

I talked to someone very knowledgeable on the topic, someone who has forgotten more than I will ever know and they stated this thesis when I asked. So what did I do? Get mad at them and argue against their point! Futilely!

Then I saw this article :

OFD Films: Chaos in the Notre Dame Secondary - One Foot Down

Final Thoughts

You want to know why the Notre Dame defense has been giving up big plays? The primary culprit has been a secondary that has too many mental errors and hasn't lived up to their potential. The plays featured here aren't the result of a scheme that's too complex or a former walk-on at middle linebacker. They are the result of errors from players that should know better.

Just a snippet! Read the rest, he compares the play of a couple safeties to that of Gong Show Contestants, and he had about as big of bone to pick over KVR's prima donna swan song, a la Pitt :

I have no idea why Max Redfield (yellow circle and question mark) would abandon his deep coverage responsibility on this play. No idea whatsoever. I simply don't have an explanation. Hence the question mark.

KVR is in my opinion, even worse (blue box). When he sees Boyd blow by him, he doesn't try and chase. Instead, he turns and starts pointing at Redfield (green arrow). I don't think I've ever seen that from a player. Are you kidding me?

There's no question Redfield screwed up. He should have stayed deep. But Russell should have been deep as well. More importantly, when he sees that Redfield is gone and the best receiver on the other team is running free, KVR should be putting his head down and sprinting to try and make a play. At least make an effort. Instead, he decides to literally point the finger at a teammate mid-play. Wow.

And it is interesting because Larz does weigh in on Schmidt, also : Verdict? A step slower this year, but look at the defensive backfield!

This is an even more important read for Irish fans :

OFD Films: Joe Schmidt Iso Cam - One Foot Down

 

[Irish#1]

 

[Irish#1]

I am going to post this in about three zillion places.

Opponents are not targeting Joe Schmidt; they are targeting a defensive backfield guaranteed to fail if they see something that makes them have to rely on the system they have in place. Sound funny? The DB in particular cannot run the scheme they have been given. Not because it is two complex, but because they just don't hold the discipline. And it isn't everyone.

I talked to someone very knowledgeable on the topic, someone who has forgotten more than I will ever know and they stated this thesis when I asked. So what did I do? Get mad at them and argue against their point! Futilely!

Then I saw this article :

OFD Films: Chaos in the Notre Dame Secondary - One Foot Down



Just a snippet! Read the rest, he compares the play of a couple safeties to that of Gong Show Contestants, and he had about as big of bone to pick over KVR's prima donna swan song, a la Pitt :



And it is interesting because Larz does weigh in on Schmidt, also : Verdict? A step slower this year, but look at the defensive backfield!

This is an even more important read for Irish fans :

OFD Films: Joe Schmidt Iso Cam - One Foot Down

I'd rep ya if I could.

 

[Luckylucci]

Sorry, but saying that the secondary is playing poorly, which I agree with, doesn't make Joe's play better. I'm not going to go into length on this as its been done already but that logic makes no sense. In the last 3 games he's avg. 3.33 tackles/game. That has nothing to do with whether or not Redfield got deep or whether or not KVR gave up on the touchdown play. None are good. If you'd like to take it to KVR's thread and talk about his poor play, then by all means that makes sense. However, using it as justification that Schmidt is playing well doesn't.

 

[NDdomer2]

Date Opponent Surface Result Solo Assisted Total
09/05/15 Texas Grass W 38-3 3 3 6
09/12/15 @ Virginia Grass W 34-27 2 4 6
09/19/15 Georgia Tech Grass W 30-22 8 2 10
09/26/15 Massachusetts Grass W 62-27 1 5 6
10/03/15 @ 1 Clemson Grass L 22-24 1 0 1
10/10/15 22 Navy Grass W 41-24 4 4 8
10/17/15 USC Grass W 41-31 3 1 4
10/31/15 @ 21 Temple Grass W 24-20 2 0 2
11/07/15 @ Pittsburgh Grass W 42-30 1 3 4

These are just not good numbers from a MLB. A lot of the assisted tackles are from when another player has the ball carrier locked up and Joe has come in just before the whistle

Home games are not on grass.

 

[Booslum31]

I am going to post this in about three zillion places.

Opponents are not targeting Joe Schmidt; they are targeting a defensive backfield guaranteed to fail if they see something that makes them have to rely on the system they have in place. Sound funny? The DB in particular cannot run the scheme they have been given. Not because it is two complex, but because they just don't hold the discipline. And it isn't everyone.

I talked to someone very knowledgeable on the topic, someone who has forgotten more than I will ever know and they stated this thesis when I asked. So what did I do? Get mad at them and argue against their point! Futilely!

Then I saw this article :

OFD Films: Chaos in the Notre Dame Secondary - One Foot Down



Just a snippet! Read the rest, he compares the play of a couple safeties to that of Gong Show Contestants, and he had about as big of bone to pick over KVR's prima donna swan song, a la Pitt :



And it is interesting because Larz does weigh in on Schmidt, also : Verdict? A step slower this year, but look at the defensive backfield!

This is an even more important read for Irish fans :

OFD Films: Joe Schmidt Iso Cam - One Foot Down

I think Redfield didnt know that Boyd had the ball and was scurrying (in the wrong direction) because it looked like play-action. KVR has to make more of an effort IMO as well.

 

[irishff1014]

I am going to post this in about three zillion places.

Opponents are not targeting Joe Schmidt; they are targeting a defensive backfield guaranteed to fail if they see something that makes them have to rely on the system they have in place. Sound funny? The DB in particular cannot run the scheme they have been given. Not because it is two complex, but because they just don't hold the discipline. And it isn't everyone.

I talked to someone very knowledgeable on the topic, someone who has forgotten more than I will ever know and they stated this thesis when I asked. So what did I do? Get mad at them and argue against their point! Futilely!

Then I saw this article :

OFD Films: Chaos in the Notre Dame Secondary - One Foot Down



Just a snippet! Read the rest, he compares the play of a couple safeties to that of Gong Show Contestants, and he had about as big of bone to pick over KVR's prima donna swan song, a la Pitt :



And it is interesting because Larz does weigh in on Schmidt, also : Verdict? A step slower this year, but look at the defensive backfield!

This is an even more important read for Irish fans :

OFD Films: Joe Schmidt Iso Cam - One Foot Down

Joe and Max aren't good en of story. KVR is a just Cocky.

 

[kmoose]

Sorry, but saying that the secondary is playing poorly, which I agree with, doesn't make Joe's play better. I'm not going to go into length on this as its been done already but that logic makes no sense. In the last 3 games he's avg. 3.33 tackles/game. That has nothing to do with whether or not Redfield got deep or whether or not KVR gave up on the touchdown play. None are good. If you'd like to take it to KVR's thread and talk about his poor play, then by all means that makes sense. However, using it as justification that Schmidt is playing well doesn't.

But it DOES specifically refute the inference that we can't win a big playoff game because opposing coaches will just target Joe Schmidt.

Considering how no other threads have ever gone off the rails to pile on Joe.......

 

[rocket66]

Can you imagine JS trying to tackle Derrick Henry? It's actually comical to think about.

Lol I literally just about posted the same thing.


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[Irish Insanity]

This whole time I thought our secondary looked mediocre because they were having to clean up all Joe's mistakes.