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So will that handicap ND enough where the momentum swings back to the SEC?
 

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99% of NIL deals are loopholes. When's the last time any of us have seen any of these players' name, image and likeness being used by a company? May 3-4 high profile QB's?
 

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The funny thing is that the SEC will absolutely try to cheat this with their car dealerships, etc. but overall it's not a bad idea.


They almost make sense then they add in the "if the team doesn't direct it" requirement and lose me entirely. Adding that requirement is basically putting up a "you must cheat to ride the ride" sign that lots of other schools will happily comply with.
 

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In my opinion, the greatest benefit of independence is having our AD be included in these conversations otherwise reserved for conference commissioners. If we do end up joining a conference in 2030 or 2036, Bevacqua negotiating one spot reserved for us in the B10 from what originally looked like us being forced to join the ACC in the first proposal would be a masterful final act of independence.
 

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99% of NIL deals are loopholes. When's the last time any of us have seen any of these players' name, image and likeness being used by a company? May 3-4 high profile QB's?
on a national level? You’re correct. On a local level, many of them have businesses utilizing their NIL locally.
 

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on a national level? You’re correct. On a local level, many of them have businesses utilizing their NIL locally.
Maybe because I live near Clemson who hasn't fully embraced NIL. I haven't seen a single football player anywhere. I am not buy for a single second the nose tackle of Texas A&M is providing his name. image and likeness to local companies in fair exchange for the money he is getting. There is a reason these things are handled by collectives and not individual deals.
 

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Maybe because I live near Clemson who hasn't fully embraced NIL. I haven't seen a single football player anywhere. I am not buy for a single second the nose tackle of Texas A&M is providing his name. image and likeness to local companies in fair exchange for the money he is getting. There is a reason these things are handled by collectives and not individual deals.
I live in a state where there’s one SEC team & one P6 team. Both have billboards w/ players associated w/ a hospital or some other reputable business. That’s probably more for the average player whereas the true freshman LT at aTm is likely getting paid hundreds of thousands if not millions to sign autographs at charity events or something minimal.
 

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I meant the companies aren't getting anything close to a return on investment for the players name, image and likeness. It's just a work around to pay players to play.
I know - just mocking the system a bit with some sarcasm. I wasn't operating under the assumption that hundreds of boosters all discovered a passion for sports marketing at exactly the same time.
 

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I guess I trust Pete but this feels like we're willingly giving up our advantage.
Most teams cannpt afford that cap. We can.. Right now Miami and FSU fans are freaking out because they are stuck in a lower tier conference and lower payout. I believe this will be fine for us.
 

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I love that Cruz is trying to convince people that legislation is going to stop people from cheating.

As if Oregon, for example, won't 100% be involved in back channeling deals with Phil Knight and Nike for players on their roster that wouldn't otherwise be getting a deal from Nike.

Just stop Ted. These rules will be circumvented just like the previous rules... And the ones before those.
 
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How so? I would have to think ND has been playing with the said cap as of now, as opposed to living in the gray area like some are accused of.
Nope. We are well in the grey area and that's been clearly reported. As soon as things move to black and white it will 100% be bad for us.
 

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Nope. We are well in the grey area and that's been clearly reported. As soon as things move to black and white it will 100% be bad for us.

100%... ND's paying somewhere in the neighborhood of $40-$45 million for their 2026 football roster for football alone. With the new cap set at $48.3 million (for all sports) + $5 million for non-revenue female sports, ND will not be able to flex it's financial muscle and win bidding wars for recruits as it throughout the 2026 cycle. Rather, they'll (and everyone else) will have to put a roster together like any salary capped pro sport. Meaning that they will simply run out of cap space to get all the players they want.
 

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I love that Cruz is trying to convince people that legislation is going to stop people from cheating.

As if Oregon, for example, won't 100% be involved in back channeling deals with Phil Knight and Nike for players on their roster that wouldn't otherwise be getting a deal from Nike.

Just stop Ted. These rules will be circumvented just like the previous rules... And the ones before those.
Now they can get punished for breaking the rules and can't bitch to a state judge about it.
 

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"A federal court dealt a perhaps chaos-inducing blow to the NCAA's new eligibility rule Friday when it ruled that all high school class of 2022 athletes who exhausted their fourth season of college eligibility this spring are eligible for a fifth season this school year.

The ruling from U.S. District Judge Charlotte Sweeney in Denver, expected to be appealed, undercuts the NCAA's plan to have the so-called "five-for-five" rule go into play, starting with athletes who enroll in college in fall 2027.

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How so? I would have to think ND has been playing with the said cap as of now, as opposed to living in the gray area like some are accused of.

We're at the cap as an institution but are able to direct third parties with big money to enter into NIL deals with our players that are worth millions more. This bill appears to close that loophole. To me this benefits the SEC, which doesnt have the large endowments/donors in the same way as the northern schools but do have plenty of car dealerships and small businesses who will shell out $100K contracts for "more legit" NIL deals.

Cody Campbell (Texas Tech) and ND both appear to be for this bill passing, so maybe some loophole continues to exist that will allow them to flex their financial muscle but on paper it basically feels like we're willingly giving away our huge advantage in the current structure.
 

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We're at the cap as an institution but are able to direct third parties with big money to enter into NIL deals with our players that are worth millions more. This bill appears to close that loophole. To me this benefits the SEC, which doesnt have the large endowments/donors in the same way as the northern schools but do have plenty of car dealerships and small businesses who will shell out $100K contracts for "more legit" NIL deals.

Cody Campbell (Texas Tech) and ND both appear to be for this bill passing, so maybe some loophole continues to exist that will allow them to flex their financial muscle but on paper it basically feels like we're willingly giving away our huge advantage in the current structure.

I agree... The poors in the South having their talent pools drained by programs across the country looks good on them for generations of backend cheating, while guys like Dabo hid behind his "Good ol' Christisn boy" nonsense. Under the current system northern schools are able to flex their financial might and step on the inferior degrees / alumni bases of many of the SEC, ACC and Big 12 schools.

This essentially sets a cap at a number that many of those schools can manage, allowing them to make competitive offers for top southern recruits, making it easier to keep them at home.
 

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If a cap is real and enforced, I am more than happy to see Notre Dame compete for recruits on a level playing field. The things we can offer beyond NIL - from coaching to culture to an actual education - are pretty appealing to a lot of people, compared to most places.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but I still think that matters.
 

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If a cap is real and enforced, I am more than happy to see Notre Dame compete for recruits on a level playing field. The things we can offer beyond NIL - from coaching to culture to an actual education - are pretty appealing to a lot of people, compared to most places.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but I still think that matters.

We saw how that went for the past 25 years. Any cap will be circumvented by bad actors.
 

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We saw how that went for the past 25 years. Any cap will be circumvented by bad actors.
Well that's where enforcement comes in. The Kawhi Leonard debacle aside, no one tries to circumvent salary caps in the NBA or NFL.

And the money now is so much larger. A made-up job or giving mom a car won't be enough to entice the good players the way it used to. The sums involved will make it harder to break the rules (again, assuming some reasonable effort at enforcement).

I don't know. The sport need some rules before it spins completely out of control, and I'm fairly confident Notre Dame will find a way to thrive within the boundary of those rules as it pretty much always has.
 
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Considering how bullish Pete B is on sinning a championship, I’d find it hard to believe he would support something that would put them at a disadvantage.

This would be a good opportunity to utilize UA, Rhoback, and that Sofi patch that everyone hates.
 

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Considering how bullish Pete B is on sinning a championship, I’d find it hard to believe he would support something that would put them at a disadvantage.

This would be a good opportunity to utilize UA, Rhoback, and that Sofi patch that everyone hates.

It doesn't disadvantage Notre Dame. It simply blunts the financial might advantage ND's been exercising over the last 2 recruiting cycles. The Irish have been significantly outspending programs such as Georgia, Alabama and Clemson and the results have been obvious in the quality of their recruting classes.

Bevacqua was transparent on the Irish illustrated podcast about why he supports the bill... Because he doesn't want a race to the bottom. While ND has deeper (and more sustainably deep) pockets than most, roster costs are at the limit of what schools can afford under a profitability model. So even if ND has done well in an "uncapped" world, he'd rather the sport have guardrails and the athletic departments finances be protected.
 
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