'13 FL TE Mike Heuerman (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[Buster Bluth]

Koyak is going to be a great TE. He will be playing on Sunday's. Mark 'em.

Why do you say that? Potential?

 

[STLDomer]

On ISD Power Hour right now

Talks to Alford every day, doesn't do that with any other coach

 

[IrishLax]

Power Hour was encouraging. Sounds like we're definitely still a big factor here. I was ready to count us out. I was most encouraged by the fact that he has reached out to Rudolph and the amount of contact with Alford.

 

[STLDomer]

“@ISDUpdate: Mike Heuerman spoke w/ former #ND TE Kyle Rudolph on turning down schools. Rudy said 'You're not the 1st to say no & you won't be the last.”

“@ISDUpdate: Mike Heuerman on early #ND interest : "I kinda anticipated ND being 1st one." Tony Alford sent long FB mssg at 5 am 9/1 1st day of contact”

“@ISDUpdate: Mike Heuerman will return from #OSU 4/22 and make decision either 4/23 or 4/27 if he does PC because brother will be home. #ND #LSU #Miami”

“@ISDUpdate: Mike Heuerman says he felt at home at #ND #LSU #OSU #Miami. "That's the hard part."”

“@ISDUpdate: Mike Heuerman stays in touch with #ND commits Malik Zaire (@MalikZaire6) & Devin Butler (@Devin7_Era) among others.”

“@ISDUpdate: Mike Heuerman did take note of the way schools have used TEs. Could def help #ND. "The way they use Tyler Eifert is just crazy."”

 

[RuntheBall]

If we dont land Heuerman, could Josh Augusta become a TE target? Also would Matuska become a TE for a year or two / permanently? I woulndt say we are low on options at TE without Mike, but it would be great to get him.

 

[Zbi]

I do not like the fact that we do not get the last visit. I do not know the percentages, but I imagine they favor the team who gets that last visit.

 

[GBdomer]

OSU.

 

[ChiRish]

OSU.

Seems that way as well, but I am encouraged by what he said about Rudolph and Eiffert.

 

[STLDomer]

Either he is approaching the visit to OSU as:

I'm going there just wanna make sure
I'm going there but gonna commit to ND/The U/LSU and want to be respectful


Either way I don't see why he would push his commitment back to the 27th

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe he is going to OSu to watch his brother. If he were going to commit there, why not do it on the 21st or 22nd?

 

[STLDomer]

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe he is going to OSu to watch his brother. If he were going to commit there, why not do it on the 21st or 22nd?

His visit Is legit, hasnt met Urban Yet, not just seeing brother

That's why I think he we are the leader, if he wanted to go to OSU he would commit there

 

[calvegas04]

His visit Is legit, hasnt met Urban Yet, not just seeing brother

That's why I think he we are the leader, if he wanted to go to OSU he would commit there

Hoping ur right

 

[IrishLax]

OSU.

100%? I thought it he was all OSU... now not so sure. Think we might have a shot.

 

[irishff1014]

I thought we had a good shot here but IMO thats has been blown away

 

[STLDomer]

“@LauraMcKeeman: 2013 4-star TE Mike Heuerman tells me he's been offered by #Oregon. He also spoke with #Bama tonight & may attend A-Day. Cld get offer there”

Thought this was meaningless and old news until I noticed Mike retweeted it

Alabama spring game is same day as Miami's spring game

 

[irishtrooper]

I can't think of many successful TE's coming from OSU or LSU recently. I'll give it to Miami but why would he not want to go where there is a proven record of recent success (Fasano/Carlson/Rudy/Eifert) ? I would liken it to PSU landing great LB's year after year (at least up until now that is). We have two hopeful up and comers with Welch and Koyack, and slots in nicely right after that.

 

[Classic Irish]

Even if Notre Dame doesn't land his commitment (and I think it's 50/50), I'm not really worried about TE as much as others probably are. Koyack (who has some potential) and Niklas are both only sophomores. Even Eifert has another year of eligibility (although I'd say there's a 99% chance that he goes to the NFL as a 2nd round draftee). Alex Welch is a junior with 2012, 2013, and 2014 left in terms of eligibility.

So in 2014 Koyack, Niklas, and Welch can all still be at Notre Dame.

I want Heuerman, but I don't think missing on him, or any TE for that matter, is necessarily crucial to this team. Remember when Brenneman was a "can't miss" recruit?

You forgot to mention Jake Golic.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I can't think of many successful TE's coming from OSU

Then you're not thinking hard enough.

 

[Emcee77]

Sapp says Heuerman has changed his announcement date to the 27th because his brother will be home then and he wants his brother to be able to attend the press conference. Probably doesn't mean anything other than that he wants his brother to share in the experience. It makes me just a little nervous though, with his brother being an OSU player and all ...

 

[Buster Bluth]

Yeah, you don't want your brother to be there if you're going to pick another school haha wtf..

But then again, his family will probably know beforehand and his brother may just be supportive. I doubt he's Irish.

 

[NDPhilly]

I'm actually staying in Naples this entire week only a mile from Barron Collier HS. May have to do some recruiting if I see him.

 

[irishtrooper]

Then you're not thinking hard enough.

Like who ???


Not a challenge, I just really don't know of any recent successful OSU TE's.

 

[calvegas04]

one of my favorite recruits this year, hope he doesn't settle for osu...ND is a much better school.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Like who ???


Not a challenge, I just really don't know of any recent successful OSU TE's.

Post #191.

Regardless, it's a moot point. It's an error in logic to assume the school makes the NFL prospect. Miami doesn't magically churn out NFL TE's, neither does Notre Dame. There's a reason and it's an individual's talent and his coaches.

 

[Emcee77]

Yeah, you don't want your brother to be there if you're going to pick another school haha wtf..

But then again, his family will probably know beforehand and his brother may just be supportive. I doubt he's Irish.

Lol, no, I just meant that I could see how you might wonder if he is changing the date because he is leaning toward OSU and he wants his brother in particular to be there to see him announce that they'll be playing football together. But realistically that probably has little or nothing to do with it and it's probably just that he wants his brother to be there for his big announcement.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I may have been unclear. I completely agree with you haha

 

[irishtrooper]

Post #191.

Regardless, it's a moot point. It's an error in logic to assume the school makes the NFL prospect. Miami doesn't magically churn out NFL TE's, neither does Notre Dame. There's a reason and it's an individual's talent and his coaches.

OK, I wasn't aware this was discussed at length previously. However, whether its an error in logic does not matter as much as what 17 year olds believe. I would opine that many 17 year olds prefer to see themselves as being successful in college and having an NFL career. I think most see themselves succeeding like Rudy, Eifert, Carlson etc. Kids mostly want to go where they believe they can have a chance at that success. That success has been realized frequently in the TE position at ND (even with the uneven QB play) Just because OSU's TE string hasn't recently been impressive does not mean their coach can't sell him on becoming the next great TE. I think the recent nasty story notwithstanding, Meyer will be very successful in recruiting and winning. By the way, all this being said I think he is OSU. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Emcee77]

Haha true Buster is nothing if not the .gif master.

Who the hell knows what kids want. I just know I'll be psyched out of my mind if we get Heuerman. He'd be perfect for us. On the other hand, if he goes the OSU route, it just means we have to load up on our other needs and find the next Troy Niklas in 2014 (totally agree with Buster's post a couple pages back, btw ... Niklas may turn out to be as good as any of our great TEs in recent years.). Or maybe the staff has a backup plan. There's that kid in Arkansas who is on offer, although on film he didn't seem to be as smooth a receiver as Heuerman.

Philly, be nonchalant but noticeable in your ND gear down there and see if you can engineer an Urban Meyer-like "bumping" into Heuerman. Isn't that what the guy called it in the Sporting News article when Urban Meyer "bumps into" recruits during the dead period? ha.

 

[Buster Bluth]

OK, I wasn't aware this was discussed at length previously. However, whether its an error in logic does not matter as much as what 17 year olds believe. I would opine that many 17 year olds prefer to see themselves as being successful in college and having an NFL career. I think most see themselves succeeding like Rudy, Eifert, Carlson etc. Kids mostly want to go where they believe they can have a chance at that success. That success has been realized frequently in the TE position at ND (even with the uneven QB play) Just because OSU's TE string hasn't recently been impressive does not mean their coach can't sell him on becoming the next great TE. I think the recent nasty story notwithstanding, Meyer will be very successful in recruiting and winning. By the way, all this being said I think he is OSU. I hope I am wrong.

Those points are all fair. But we've sorta realized over the years that kids aren't really looking at Notre Dame for the NFL access. Kids who are seriously looking at Notre Dame know a few things:

"Statistically of the 100,000 high school seniors who play football every year, only 215 will ever make an NFL roster. That is 0.2%. Even of the 9,000 players that make it to the college level only 310 are invited to the NFL scouting combine, the pool from which teams make their draft picks."

Sooo if you're lucky enough to not get injured, perform at the top of your game, play in the right system, and not get passed on the depth chart....you can play in the NFL.

Assuming you actually make it to the NFL, the average career is 3.5 seasons. Guys who are drafted in the first round typically last nine seasons.

Assuming you make the average salary of $1.9 million, so we'll say $18 million, the government takes roughly half through federal, state, local taxes. Niiice. Then consider almost all of them buy their parents a house, live lavishly because of the circuit they are in, and typically support an entire posse. Also niiiiice.

Assuming you were lucky enough to make it to the league and make millions....78% of NFL retirees run out of said money within a few short years. Ultimately because 1) the money isn't as good as people think and 2) it's an unsustainable career and lifestyle.

So of the same 100,000 high school seniors playing football, ~2,550 get D1 scholarships (0.025%). Of those ~2,550, only 215 make an NFL roster (0.00215%). Of those 215, 78% will blow the money. So 47 of 100,000 high school seniors will strike it rich in the NFL. That's 0.00047%.

Or, you could go to Notre Dame, where you have a 97% chance of graduating with a tremendous career and a ton of options at your disposal that others simply don't have.



Not saying you didn't know this, this is mostly for everyone to be cognizant of.

 

[BGIF]

Those points are all fair. But we've sorta realized over the years that kids aren't really looking at Notre Dame for the NFL access. Kids who are seriously looking at Notre Dame know a few things:



Sooo if you're lucky enough to not get injured, perform at the top of your game, play in the right system, and not get passed on the depth chart....you can play in the NFL.

Assuming you actually make it to the NFL, the average career is 3.5 seasons. Guys who are drafted in the first round typically last nine seasons.

Assuming you make the average salary of $1.9 million, so we'll say $18 million, the government takes roughly half through federal, state, local taxes. Niiice. Then consider almost all of them buy their parents a house, live lavishly because of the circuit they are in, and typically support an entire posse. Also niiiiice.

Assuming you were lucky enough to make it to the league and make millions....78% of NFL retirees run out of said money within a few short years. Ultimately because 1) the money isn't as good as people think and 2) it's an unsustainable career and lifestyle.

So of the same 100,000 high school seniors playing football, ~2,550 get D1 scholarships (0.025%). Of those ~2,550, only 215 make an NFL roster (0.00215%). Of those 215, 78% will blow the money. So 47 of 100,000 high school seniors will strike it rich in the NFL. That's 0.00047%.

Or, you could go to Notre Dame, where you have a 97% chance of graduating with a tremendous career and a ton of options at your disposal that others simply don't have.



Not saying you didn't know this, this is mostly for everyone to be cognizant of.

Hall of Fame post! Well done.