'13 MA OT John Montelus (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

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Everett

Ht: 6'5"
Wt: 295 lbs
Bench Max: 300
Squat Max: 460

RANKINGS:
24/7: :s::s::s::s: OT #22
ESPN: :s::s::s::s: OT #18
Rivals: :s::s::s::s: OG #4 #74 Overall
Scout: :s::s::s::s: OG #2

OFFERS:
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Michigan
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NC State
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Vanderbilt
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West Virginia

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He did an interview with a Michigan reporter and told that his So. year he was 245 and his JR year he was 295. He wants good academics and a winning team. Will chose his top 5 by the end of the summer.
 

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We will need a minimum of four O-Line this year due to last year's near whiff at two [even considering how good Harrell and Stanley are --- there's REAL room for grabbing a spot here]. We COULD use a class of five. My bet is that Coach will accept four verbals as fast as they come [Elmer counting as the first, of course], and that a fifth will be held back as fishing lure for a major remaining stud. Hopefully young supermen like Montelus will board the train early. He would have a rare chance to join with several other elite linemen to make a devastating unit in their upperclass years.
 

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I think that's old data. Whiskey can tell you true. But with the extra unexpected fifth years [Goodman, Golic, McCarthy, ] and the also unexpected Salvi scholarship, we are positioned more in the range of 20-21 next year, I think.
 
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....no one is pointing out that Brian Kelly was born in Everett, MA?

That can't hurt this recruitment.
 

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I think that's old data. Whiskey can tell you true. But with the extra unexpected fifth years [Goodman, Golic, McCarthy, ] and the also unexpected Salvi scholarship, we are positioned more in the range of 20-21 next year, I think.

You very well could be right about the 20-21 number....I thought I had read that it could be as many as 22-23, but can't remember where I read that. I would like to see us take 5 with the small number we had last year.....Bivin, Johnson, and Montelus would be an awfully nice addition to Elmer right now.
 

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You very well could be right about the 20-21 number....I thought I had read that it could be as many as 22-23, but can't remember where I read that. I would like to see us take 5 with the small number we had last year.....Bivin, Johnson, and Montelus would be an awfully nice addition to Elmer right now.

Magic number for next year is 23... I doubt we take 21 or more recruits. We always leave room for 5th years... and there are about 9 or so possible 5th years next year.

EDIT: Magic number is now 24 after Tee left...
 
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Visiting for spring game. Could commit if he really likes it and has been hearing really good things about ND. Diaco told him to come and be the 5th O lineman.
 

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Is he the only natural guard we are recruiting? Who else could play guard out of Johnson, Latham, Chochran, and our commits?
 

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Is he the only natural guard we are recruiting? Who else could play guard out of Johnson, Latham, Chochran, and our commits?

Latham for sure could play guard. I'd have to check out the other guys.

Now, I think we've gone over who fits the typical guard role and who fits the typical tackle role before, but I'll just go ahead and share my thoughts and OMM and others can chime in.

To simplify how I read if a guy can play tackle or guard by their highlights films would be:
Tackle - Quick feet. Very talented at pass blocking. Length. Seals edges well.
Guard - Drive, drive, drive. If you see him shoving guys 20 yards down field before making them eat dirt, it's a good sign. Moves well in open space to find a block and (depending on whether you see it in their highlights) pulls well.
 
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if he can play guard, he can play center

We already have 3 centers, Heggie, Harrell, and Hegarty. One of which, Hegarty could have been in the conversation to start at Guard this year IMO but we are grooming him for center for 2013
 

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The image used on the latest 247 2013 OT John Montelus ready for visit (premium) is hillarious. As a poster on 247 pointed out, look at #46 in the background (Montelus is #74 in the foreground, obviously).
 

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So if we're supposedly pursuing this guy this hard, what does that mean for the other OL prospects out there? I thought we would only take a 5th OL in special circumstances. Could be wrong.
 

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As to the question of who can play guard: the first thing is that my reputation as to being able to answer such questions is overrated, so caveat emptor.

2). "Traditionally" the guards are slightly shorter than the tackles and this was true mainly because more "shifting about" was required [sometimes just "pulling" and sometimes to pick up originally messed up blitz protection] and shorter legs tend to allow lower postures and less entanglements [including with the QBs and RBs].

3). Also traditionally you had the concept of the "strongside guard" who was a rhino and not necessarily much else. Massive specimens like Chris Stewart fit that mold but not necessarily where Kelly is taking this team. Alabama tends to still do this, and I think Stoops at Oklahoma would like to also if he had the monsters. But Kelly does not seem to be going this way.

4). So what's Kelly doing? We've seen some of that, but it feels to me to be a moving target this year. Naturally Kelly wants O-Linemen who can both block with power AND also move their feet. His spread emphasizes pass-blocking modes and so his linemen MUST have good feet as the number one priority. Guards however still pull more than tackles [Centers pull too --- Cave surprisingly often and effectively] and we will still probably see some traditional tackle-taller-than-guard phenomenon: Note that Chris Watt is one of our shorter linemen, and Lombard at 6'5" is not a skyscraper.

5). But Kelly is firmly in the 21st century and the day of the "Fat Man" is over. Although all of our current verbals are 6'6" minimum, none, not even the 6'9" McGlinchey are yet over 300 lbs.... yes they will grow, but these are not blubbery individuals in any measure. Also note that they ARE 6'6" minimum. Kelly/Hiestand are going tall. Why?? Ask them; you'll get a better answer; but I believe that it is because in the Kelly spread the qualities of good-feet-in-space tend to encompass all the line positions and begin to make them more equivalent... yes, they're still different but they become closer to being the same guy.

6). Now for part of the "moving target": this year Coach apparently is going to be a little different and part of that will involve lineplay. What?:The two TE alignment with one of the two being mainly an in-line blocker [translation a highly-mobile extra tackle]. That sounds like an increase of power drive blocking and internal pulling perhaps even by tackles more often. There will then be a requirement for "everybody" to "pass strike and regroup footwork", drive block, and pull at least occasionally. We won't know until we see whether Kelly is strongly emphasizing certain aspects of these packages or if "new stuff" just shows up rarely as a surprise. I think that Niklas to TE is telling us that if you want to play in the 2012 version of Kelly's hybrid "try to guess what we're doing" spread, you better be "everyman" as a lineman. That means: good to great striking levers, really good feet, ability to drive block, and quickness to pull. Sounds like a recipe for producing NFL linemen ---- now, just what did Hiestand do at Illinois???

So, what's the answer to the original question? All these guys are tackle-tall; so who's got the best quickness and agility?? [by quickness and agility I mean more than great balance of foot position and quickness that way; I mean ability to rapidly change the direction that your 300 pound mass is heading]. That's who the likely guards seem to be. I believe that two of the still outstanding O-line prospects are also D-line prospects --- maybe guesses could start there.
 

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Thanks OMM! I knew you'd have some insight into this. It seems to me that of our current commits Bivin and Elmer are the most likely guards. Even though they are tall they are built a bit more compactly than the ganglier McGlinchey and McGovern, so maybe that translates to more agility. Who knows though. In any case, Montelus seems like he'd fit the bill, and seems to have high interest. I'd love to get him and close the book on the OL for 2013.
 

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As to the question of who can play guard: the first thing is that my reputation as to being able to answer such questions is overrated, so caveat emptor.

2). "Traditionally" the guards are slightly shorter than the tackles and this was true mainly because more "shifting about" was required [sometimes just "pulling" and sometimes to pick up originally messed up blitz protection] and shorter legs tend to allow lower postures and less entanglements [including with the QBs and RBs].

3). Also traditionally you had the concept of the "strongside guard" who was a rhino and not necessarily much else. Massive specimens like Chris Stewart fit that mold but not necessarily where Kelly is taking this team. Alabama tends to still do this, and I think Stoops at Oklahoma would like to also if he had the monsters. But Kelly does not seem to be going this way.

4). So what's Kelly doing? We've seen some of that, but it feels to me to be a moving target this year. Naturally Kelly wants O-Linemen who can both block with power AND also move their feet. His spread emphasizes pass-blocking modes and so his linemen MUST have good feet as the number one priority. Guards however still pull more than tackles [Centers pull too --- Cave surprisingly often and effectively] and we will still probably see some traditional tackle-taller-than-guard phenomenon: Note that Chris Watt is one of our shorter linemen, and Lombard at 6'5" is not a skyscraper.

5). But Kelly is firmly in the 21st century and the day of the "Fat Man" is over. Although all of our current verbals are 6'6" minimum, none, not even the 6'9" McGlinchey are yet over 300 lbs.... yes they will grow, but these are not blubbery individuals in any measure. Also note that they ARE 6'6" minimum. Kelly/Hiestand are going tall. Why?? Ask them; you'll get a better answer; but I believe that it is because in the Kelly spread the qualities of good-feet-in-space tend to encompass all the line positions and begin to make them more equivalent... yes, they're still different but they become closer to being the same guy.

6). Now for part of the "moving target": this year Coach apparently is going to be a little different and part of that will involve lineplay. What?:The two TE alignment with one of the two being mainly an in-line blocker [translation a highly-mobile extra tackle]. That sounds like an increase of power drive blocking and internal pulling perhaps even by tackles more often. There will then be a requirement for "everybody" to "pass strike and regroup footwork", drive block, and pull at least occasionally. We won't know until we see whether Kelly is strongly emphasizing certain aspects of these packages or if "new stuff" just shows up rarely as a surprise. I think that Niklas to TE is telling us that if you want to play in the 2012 version of Kelly's hybrid "try to guess what we're doing" spread, you better be "everyman" as a lineman. That means: good to great striking levers, really good feet, ability to drive block, and quickness to pull. Sounds like a recipe for producing NFL linemen ---- now, just what did Hiestand do at Illinois???

So, what's the answer to the original question? All these guys are tackle-tall; so who's got the best quickness and agility?? [by quickness and agility I mean more than great balance of foot position and quickness that way; I mean ability to rapidly change the direction that your 300 pound mass is heading]. That's who the likely guards seem to be. I believe that two of the still outstanding O-line prospects are also D-line prospects --- maybe guesses could start there.

Reps. Perfectly said. I especially agree with what you said about Hiestand. What a great hire. His pedigree alone would bring in OL recruits but it seems like you get a prospective OL recruit to a practice where they see Harry work and they commit.
 

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Would love to add this big fella when he visits.......here's to a ND win!
 
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