Who is Likely Next (2013)

[irishog77]

5 OL, 2 TE, 4 LB, 4 WR, 4 CB, 2 DL, 2 FS, 1 QB maybe.

An elite DT being one of them (depending what they use Day as).

The roster being what it is today (and going off the assumption of, say, 24 guys):

5OL, 2TE, 3WR, 1QB, 1RB, 3DL(with one of them being a true nose, one a true DE, and then a "swing" guy ala Tuitt, Jones, or Day), 4LB, 2CB, 1S, and as much as I hate to say it, 1ST.

I think there's flexibility in the OL number (4) and that passing on a QB or RB wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities.

I've brought this up before about BK and recruiting-- my only real hang up with him on recruiting has been a sometimes lack of balance in position numbers per cycle-- i.e. 3 QB's one year, all the safeties this year. While that may bring the overall numbers at a specific position up to where we need to be depth wise, it helps to create a recurring cycle. I never plan on guys being here for 5 years (except some OL for depth purposes) because it's impossible to predict who will be good enough to start in 5 years (but not good enough to get a good grade from the NFL), family pressures, the desire for a graduate degree, and the staff's need/want to bring a guy back. That being said, ND could be in a real pickle again at the S position in a few years; of HAVING to sign multiple guys. A lot of recruits care about the depth chart too. Having __ guys ahead of you at your position, with them being just a year or a red shirt year ahead of you matters. I'm sure part of the appeal of coming to ND for Lynch and Tuitt was the very real possibility of contributing from the get go. This is why I say only 2 CB's (possibly 3). I think it allows the coaches to still go after 2 the next year, and the year after that-- creating better overall balance at the position.

 

[irishroo]

Anyone else real excited about the potential O-line class we could grab next year. We've already got Steven Elmer, who could end up as the #1 OL in the country next year, not to mention that we've got a VERY legit shot, and may even be the favorite to get the following guys: Ethan Pocic (currently #14 overall player and #3 OT in class of 2013), Kyle Bosch (#37 overall, #7 OT) and Hunter Bivin (#76 overall, #12 OT). For those not counting, that's 4 potential 5 star/high 4 star guys at OT alone. Also, I don't really consider TE to be part of the OL, but technically it is so I'll throw in that we appear to lead for Adam Breneman, currently the #28 overally player and #1 TE in 2013. I'm excited to see some bruisers up front.

 

[PANDFAN]

Anyone else real excited about the potential O-line class we could grab next year. We've already got Steven Elmer, who could end up as the #1 OL in the country next year, not to mention that we've got a VERY legit shot, and may even be the favorite to get the following guys: Ethan Pocic (currently #14 overall player and #3 OT in class of 2013), Kyle Bosch (#37 overall, #7 OT) and Hunter Bivin (#76 overall, #12 OT). For those not counting, that's 4 potential 5 star/high 4 star guys at OT alone. Also, I don't really consider TE to be part of the OL, but technically it is so I'll throw in that we appear to lead for Adam Breneman, currently the #28 overally player and #1 TE in 2013. I'm excited to see some bruisers up front.

we generally are pretty high on people's list and always seem to have a legit shot...but it doesn't always end that way...

 

[irishmarine]

Spring game is in April, right? Are there ny recruits visiting before then? Are there any days that the coaches invite kid in to see them and show them around? Possibly hand out offers n even more important, receive verbal commitments?

 

[NDdomer2]

Irishhog...I agree that you don't want to have all of your safeties (or any position) in one class but sometimes you have to take whats there. If there are four safeties in one class that all want to commit, and are of high enough quality you take them because, as we learned this year, nothing is guaranteed for the next season.

 

[irishff1014]

I want Logan Tuley-Tillman that kids offer list is off the charts

 

[Walter White]

Should be a more balanced class based on what Kelly said in the presser.

He specifically said that they would be targeting a lot of "big skill" players. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's his classification for TE, ILB, and OLB?

 

[BeauBenken]

Should be a more balanced class based on what Kelly said in the presser.

He specifically said that they would be targeting a lot of "big skill" players. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's his classification for TE, ILB, and OLB?

Correct.

 

[Irish Fam]

I had a similar worry last year about bringing in so many Dlinemen. I was afraid that in another 3-4 years we would be trying to bring in a ton of Dlinemen and that is not good for steady depth. Anyway, my worries were put to rest when the staff recruited multiple Dlinemen this year.

I think the large number of Dlinemen last year and Safeties this year is due to a complete lack of depth at those positions.

Not to mention, just about every one of our safeties has the ability to move to a new position.

We will get back to recruiting 1-3 safeties per year.

 

[irishpat183]

Lot's of talent in 2013. Rough schedule. Hoping we start strong.

I think priorities are in no order except CB -
CB
DE
TE
NG/DT
ILB
G/C (general OL, but we look to be good at T)

Uhhh....WR!!

 

[Ricochet]

All I know is that ND isn't going to get many early commits this time around as the momentum isn't there with the program at the moment.

ND needs to win this season and then the recruits will come and what they need to happen is to win and win big because if it doesn't happen then the best ND is going to do in recruiting is getting the good type of recruits they've been getting but what's needed is the special talents and elite athletes to take it to the next level.

Look at the best programs right now and they good players are our great players for the most part and there great players that ND is missing out on or letting the slip through there fingers. ND has gotten a couple in last couple of class but the need many more to win big.

 

[irishff1014]

I wont be surprised if ND gets abused some against NAvy. If i was a recruit why wouldn't iwant to travel there to watch a school i am considering on an offical visit.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I wont be surprised if ND gets abused some against NAvy. If i was a recruit why wouldn't iwant to travel there to watch a school i am considering on an offical visit.

Official visits are only allowed at home, on campus. Neutral site "home" games can not be used for officials. ND will not get abused by Navy in Dublin. Book it. Furthermore, don't be afraid to capitalize your I's.

 

[irishff1014]

Official visits are only allowed at home, on campus. Neutral site "home" games can not be used for officials. ND will not get abused by Navy in Dublin. Book it. Furthermore, don't be afraid to capitalize your I's.

I didn't know that about the offical vists thanks.

 

[Redbar]

Furthermore, don't be afraid to capitalize your I's.

Lol.

 

[Buster Bluth]

All I know is that ND isn't going to get many early commits this time around as the momentum isn't there with the program at the moment.

I will never understand what makes people, who have exactly ZERO insight into the program and recruits' brains, go out and make such predictions.

You do not have a clue as to what will happen in the future. None of us do, and yet you have the balls to say stuff like this?

I don't get it.

 

[Irishnuke]

I think we get more, not fewer, early commits. We have a lot more scholarships open for this class than the '12 class. As for who is next, I say Bivin and Bosch. We're going to have an OL class that rivals Stanford's this year. Book it.

 

[Ricochet]

I will never understand what makes people, who have exactly ZERO insight into the program and recruits' brains, go out and make such predictions.

You do not have a clue as to what will happen in the future. None of us do, and yet you have the balls to say stuff like this?

I don't get it.

Because it's common sense. Recruiting is about perception and after another less than stellar season and ending it with a bowl lose the momentum isn't there for the Irish. The late high profile decommits don't help either as it's not a positive vibe and that is greatly important to recruiting.

So since there isn't much to change the momentum it's going to take winning games more than ever under Kelly to get recruits to get the hype up to the level to recruit good recruits who aren't true believer types as in the likes of the ND got in the '12 class who didn't care for ND until they visited.

Not claiming insight to the program just common sense on how recruiting and momentum works.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Because it's common sense. Recruiting is about perception and after another less than stellar season and ending it with a bowl lose the momentum isn't there for the Irish. The late high profile decommits don't help either as it's not a positive vibe and that is greatly important to recruiting.

So since there isn't much to change the momentum it's going to take winning games more than ever under Kelly to get recruits to get the hype up to the level to recruit good recruits who aren't true believer types as in the likes of the ND got in the '12 class who didn't care for ND until they visited.

Not claiming insight to the program just common sense on how recruiting and momentum works.

That... is one hell of a run-on sentence.

I see your point but I too believe the blue and gold game captures a few hearts and gets the ball rolling. Notre Dame is actually becoming quite professional at falling short of expectations and still landing top tier talent. The experience, the university, what it stands for and the aura of the campus sell themselves no matter the record.

It just goes to show how terrible of a recruiter Willingham was. Seriously, even if you put in a half *** effort at ND you're going to land at least a top 20 class.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Because it's common sense. Recruiting is about perception and after another less than stellar season and ending it with a bowl lose the momentum isn't there for the Irish. The late high profile decommits don't help either as it's not a positive vibe and that is greatly important to recruiting.

So since there isn't much to change the momentum it's going to take winning games more than ever under Kelly to get recruits to get the hype up to the level to recruit good recruits who aren't true believer types as in the likes of the ND got in the '12 class who didn't care for ND until they visited.

Not claiming insight to the program just common sense on how recruiting and momentum works.

Recruiting is about much, much more than perception. Recruiting, more than anything else, is about relationships with coaches. Said relationships are the direct result of the skill and effort of the staff, and they have proven very skillful and outdone by no one in terms of effort, over the last two years.

You will still see a fair share of commitments early on, in my opinion. This staff has always been, and remains, tenacious. They aren't letting up because of another 8-5 season and several body blows in recruiting. These guys are winners, and winners get back up and are motivated to do better.

 

[Grahambo]

I am interested to see how this cycle goes for sure. After the recent decommits, I wonder how or even if BK will change his recruiting style a bit. I'm not saying a complete overhaul but minor things.

 

[IrishGlory]

Rumor has it that Jordan Payton actually signed his LOI to UCLA in disappearing ink and is now considering Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Standford, Utah, and Washington State, and ND. No credible source, just considering history from the last 4 weeks.

 

[irishog77]

Texas' 5-7 finish in 2010 KILLED all their momentum for 2011. Clemson's 6-7 record KILLED their momentum for 2011 as well. Yes, Ricochet, sometimes recruiting momentum is lost...and sometimes that perceived momentum (or lack thereof) is just that-- a perception. Sure, going 11-2 would have been a lot better than going 8-5, but there are so many factors in play (the majority of which, we the fans, are not privy to) that I think it's flat out wrong to assume we won't get verbals early on from multiple good players. Do I think ND will have 15 blue chips committed after Junior Day and the B&G game? No, I don't. But I think we will have several and trending in the right direction. Having the "proper momentum," if you will.

 

[Ricochet]

Recruiting is about much, much more than perception. Recruiting, more than anything else, is about relationships with coaches. Said relationships are the direct result of the skill and effort of the staff, and they have proven very skillful and outdone by no one in terms of effort, over the last two years.

You will still see a fair share of commitments early on, in my opinion. This staff has always been, and remains, tenacious. They aren't letting up because of another 8-5 season and several body blows in recruiting. These guys are winners, and winners get back up and are motivated to do better.

Your right it's very much about relationships but to get to that point there has to be attraction and that's where perception comes into play.

There is no question that there are some kids that like ND from the get go and ND might get early commits from them but they aren't the types of recruits I'm talking about.

What I'm talking about is the larger pool of talent from across the country and the ND name alone does go a long way but as we saw in the last class they also came up just short on many occasions and a lot of that was because the vibe wasn't in there favor. It's about positive momentum and that comes from excitement from the program. Hence why you see great players follow other great players to hot programs.

 

[connor_in]

Question for the group...Gunner's commitment so late led to little to no ripples for this year's class...will it effect 2013's?

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Question for the group...Gunner's commitment so late led to little to no ripples for this year's class...will it effect 2013's?

Yes, but more importantly, Golson's play will open recruits eyes in my opinion. I think we will end up taking another QB in this cycle. (Too bad it probably wont be Alviti) I wish Gunner would have made up his mind sooner rather than later. It could have paid dividends with Darby, Agholor, Neal, etc. I think we still get Neal.

 

[BGIF]

All I know is that ND isn't going to get many early commits this time around as the momentum isn't there with the program at the moment.

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Disagree. Winning does build momentum but the early commits at ND have been kids that wanted to go ND regardless of the record. They committed for the school not for an ESPN highlight nor twitter followers.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Your right it's very much about relationships but to get to that point there has to be attraction and that's where perception comes into play.

There is no question that there are some kids that like ND from the get go and ND might get early commits from them but they aren't the types of recruits I'm talking about.

What I'm talking about is the larger pool of talent from across the country and the ND name alone does go a long way but as we saw in the last class they also came up just short on many occasions and a lot of that was because the vibe wasn't in there favor. It's about positive momentum and that comes from excitement from the program. Hence why you see great players follow other great players to hot programs.

My $.02......

Early recruiting wins usually due to to three factors IMO:
1. Childhood / family favorite.
2. Regional influences.
3. Team momentum via strong finishes or new coaching.

There are quite a few propsects this year that fit #1 and #2 for ND.

 

[Ricochet]

Texas' 5-7 finish in 2010 KILLED all their momentum for 2011. Clemson's 6-7 record KILLED their momentum for 2011 as well. Yes, Ricochet, sometimes recruiting momentum is lost...and sometimes that perceived momentum (or lack thereof) is just that-- a perception. Sure, going 11-2 would have been a lot better than going 8-5, but there are so many factors in play (the majority of which, we the fans, are not privy to) that I think it's flat out wrong to assume we won't get verbals early on from multiple good players. Do I think ND will have 15 blue chips committed after Junior Day and the B&G game? No, I don't. But I think we will have several and trending in the right direction. Having the "proper momentum," if you will.

I'm not saying that ND won't get early commits from multiple good players.

What I'm saying is that those that don't already have interest in ND won't be committing to ND early because of the perception isn't what it was this time last year.

How many times did we read last year that this prospect didn't even like ND? Let alone all the kids that know the name but not much else about ND but because of that good vibe from finishing strong opened the door for interest where it most likely wouldn't have without there perception that ND was a hot up and coming program in there eye's.

What I'm talking about is not getting early commits from the like of Jones and Mahone types let alone being able to get as deeply involved with the likes of Darby and Poole types early on because of the perception that ND currently has and instead of being much more along in the process those types are going to wait and see much more so this year than last.

Has F$U really been that much better than ND in recent times? No but the perception of F$U is much more positive hence the recruits that they pull in year in and year out.

I think ND will get a couple JR day commits as well as a few at the Blue & Gold game but it's going to be from prospects that had heavy interest in ND whether it's from being a life long fan, that there local or because they were a former camper who fell in love with ND.

I could see guys like Alviti, Pocic, Bivens and some local talent as well as some Chicago talent committing early.

As for your Texas example it's moot. Texas, tOSU and some of the other program from traditional football power states are a different animal. You don't need to be a good recruiter at UT because the majority in the football mad state want to play for the Longhorns regardless. tOSU is the same way, they have such a built in advantage that unless they are banned for a good long time they are going to get there own every year.

 

[FLDomer]

There are quite a few propsects this year that fit #1 and #2 for ND.[/QUOTE]
In all seriousness and not ment to be a prick but a person who genuinely wants to know. What are the kids that fit you 1st two points? I am getting jacked for the 2013 class!