'12 IL CB Anthony Standifer (Ole Miss Verbal)

[woolybug25]

It's okay, the players are held to a lesser standard.

I hope they post it on youtube.

 

[DSully1995]

I dont think ND standards are all that bad,we do lose some because of it but, think of the kids we get because of the prestige academically. A 7th ranked class only proves that we can compete in recruiting while maintaining the highest standards of academic excellence.

 

[woolybug25]

I dont think ND standards are all that bad,we do lose some because of it but, think of the kids we get because of the prestige academically. A 7th ranked class only proves that we can compete in recruiting while maintaining the highest standards of academic excellence.

He wasn't talking about their grades... but their choice in women....

 

[DSully1995]

He wasn't talking about their grades... but their choice in women....

Im taking about the discussion from a couple pages back...

 

[gkIrish]

In all seriousness, accepting a couple of kids who are less likely to graduate because they are not prepared the way ND wants them to be, ultimately increases the likelihood that the graduation rate, a unique recruiting tool that ND has over 99% of other schools, is a good enough reason not to let this kid come to ND. And you can't pick and choose who you let in.

 

[dshans]

First and foremost, I wish Mr. Standifer all the best. I find it sad, though, that his high school counselor(s) failed him. When I was in high school ('66 through '70) it was a goal that any student on a "college track" take the courses necessary to be admitted to Yale, Harvard, Notre Dame or Stanford.

My apologies to the counselor(s) if Anthony turned a blind eye to the advice. I do not hold Notre Dame admissions accountable for his not qualifying for a slot in the classroom or a spot on the football team.

I was accepted at ND my junior year of high school. I fell into the "senior slacker" mode my first semester. I was told by ND, in no uncertain terms after they got my first semester grades, that I'd better "get my sh¡t together" or I was history. I did what was necessary.

Granted, I was not a vaunted football recruit, but I might have been a valuable asset for the swim team – until I saw that the pool at The Rock presented a drowning hazzard by its design.

 

[JughedJones]

First and foremost, I wish Mr. Standifer all the best. I find it sad, though, that his high school counselor(s) failed him. When I was in high school ('66 through '70) it was a goal that any student on a "college track" take the courses necessary to be admitted to Yale, Harvard, Notre Dame or Stanford.

My apologies to the counselor(s) if Anthony turned a blind eye to the advice. I do not hold Notre Dame admissions accountable for his not qualifying for a slot in the classroom or a spot on the football team.

I was accepted at ND my junior year of high school. I fell into the "senior slacker" mode my first semester. I was told by ND, in no uncertain terms after they got my first semester grades, that I'd better "get my sh¡t together" or I was history. I did what was necessary.

Granted, I was not a vaunted football recruit, but I might have been a valuable asset for the swim team – until I saw that the pool at The Rock presented a drowning hazzard by its design.

You gotta want it.

Go Irish and good luck Anthony.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Happiest of lives, young man, and also best wishes on a football career.

As to Notre Dame and "exceptions": there is always room for "best honest judgement" in life. But that judging of exceptions must be done with extreme care and having nothing to do with non-connected [to the ideals of the standards] matters like whether someone can play football or dunk. Any biasing of the judgement process to color it with other end goals, or even expedite it due to the pragmatics of rushed time deadlines, is, frankly, suicidal to the standards. These standards and the consistent excellence which they produce in the Notre Dame student body ARE the beacon that we shine forth, as well as being the number one "selling point" [if one insists upon being vulgar about it] that we have. Short-term bailing out on values almost always results in long-term surrender of anything worth standing for.

 

[CarrollVermin]

So is this done, done? I mean, no chance the staff/university allows him to take a summer Spanish class, like they would for the general student population? Something does not smell right.

 

[woolybug25]

So is this done, done? I mean, no chance the staff/university allows him to take a summer Spanish class, like they would for the general student population? Something does not smell right.

Look back a couple pages. It wasn't just one class. His first foreign language was an 8-day online course. The kid didn't have the course load needed for admission. Michigan has been saying this from the start.

 

[charlevoix.GOLDENdome]

Happiest of lives, young man, and also best wishes on a football career.

As to Notre Dame and "exceptions": there is always room for "best honest judgement" in life. But that judging of exceptions must be done with extreme care and having nothing to do with non-connected [to the ideals of the standards] matters like whether someone can play football or dunk. Any biasing of the judgement process to color it with other end goals, or even expedite it due to the pragmatics of rushed time deadlines, is, frankly, suicidal to the standards. These standards and the consistent excellence which they produce in the Notre Dame student body ARE the beacon that we shine forth, as well as being the number one "selling point" [if one insists upon being vulgar about it] that we have. Short-term bailing out on values almost always results in long-term surrender of anything worth standing for.

Kudos Old Man Mike...raise the bar to maintain, or "uplift" the bottom, not vice-versa. The last line is INSPIRATIONAL!

 

[rtrn2glory]

good luck to him and i hope he has a solid/healthy career

 

[irishandy]

Too bad about Standifer, he seemed like an ND type of kid. Good luck in the future.

 

[stlnd01]

Just me, or is anyone else a little perturbed that this is the third kid in the last month that we've heavily pursued that a peer school/rival wouldn't take? Armond Armstead. Yuri Wright. And Standifer.

Obviously three different circumstances. And in the end it didn't work out, for the same reasons the other schools wouldn't take them. And I'm not saying these kids aren't worth a close look. But all three were thisclose to committing - after being dropped by the likes of USC and Michigan - and we obviously spent a lot of time and resources on them in the closing days of the recruiting cycle. Time and resources that could have been spent on kids who'd actually get in.

I don't know. Just seems odd. And seems like we might have squared them away, or not, before it got to be three days before NSD and there's no one else left out there.

 

[NDinFL]

Just me, or is anyone else a little perturbed that this is the third kid in the last month that we've heavily pursued that a peer school/rival wouldn't take? Armond Armstead. Yuri Wright. And Standifer.

Obviously three different circumstances. And in the end it didn't work out, for the same reasons the other schools wouldn't take them. And I'm not saying these kids aren't worth a close look. But all three were thisclose to committing - after being dropped by the likes of USC and Michigan - and we obviously spent a lot of time and resources on them in the closing days of the recruiting cycle. Time and resources that could have been spent on kids who'd actually get in.

I don't know. Just seems odd. And seems like we might have squared them away, or not, before it got to be three days before NSD and there's no one else left out there.

I feel like this is what we're looking at for the rest of this class (and I'm NOT a negative fan)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CarrollVermin
So is this done, done? I mean, no chance the staff/university allows him to take a summer Spanish class, like they would for the general student population? Something does not smell right.

Look back a couple pages. It wasn't just one class. His first foreign language was an 8-day online course. The kid didn't have the course load needed for admission. Michigan has been saying this from the start.
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Yeah, Well, You know, thats like.... your opinion, man.
Terry Tate is at the top of my list...

Seems like a Scot, an Irishman, and an Englishman sat down in a bar in America. The Scot said, "This is a fine place at happy hour, but doesn't hold a candle to ma we tavern back home! You buy your first pint and the second is free!"
The Irishman chimed in, "That's nothin' back home you buy your first, and chime in singin' the old drinkin' songs and you pay no more!"
The Englishman gets a light in his eye and says, "That's nothing. Back home all you have to do is walk in to the neighborhood pub and they pour you all you want, then they take you upstairs and get you laid!"
The Scott and the Irishman looked right into the Englisman's eye and asked, "This happened to you?"
Well the light went out of the Englishman's eye and he replied, "Well, no. It never happened to me, but me sister swears it happens to her every time she goes into the place."

 

[Walter White]

Seems like a Scot, an Irishman, and an Englishman sat down in a bar in America. The Scot said, "This is a fine place at happy hour, but doesn't hold a candle to ma we tavern back home! You buy your first pint and the second is free!"
The Irishman chimed in, "That's nothin' back home you buy your first, and chime in singin' the old drinkin' songs and you pay no more!"
The Englishman gets a light in his eye and says, "That's nothing. Back home all you have to do is walk in to the neighborhood pub and they pour you all you want, then they take you upstairs and get you laid!"
The Scott and the Irishman looked right into the Englisman's eye and asked, "This happened to you?"
Well the light went out of the Englishman's eye and he replied, "Well, no. It never happened to me, but me sister swears it happens to her every time she goes into the place."

And if you want another laugh you can watch this song (only slightly nsfw). I think most of you will enjoy.
The drunk Scotsman (lyrics) - YouTube

 

[zbikowski88]

Anthony Standifer @RealChewy
Taking an official visit to The University Of Vanderbilt #SEC

 

[NDPhilly]

He isn't getting into Vanderbilt unless they really lowered their standards.

 

[Brooklyn]

He isn't getting into Vanderbilt unless they really lowered their standards.

That was my first thought as well.

But its great to see a kid actually care about the education they get and not just football.

 

[military_irish]

He isn't getting into Vanderbilt unless they really lowered their standards.

If they are entertaining him then they have to feel they can sign him. This late in the game anyways. I would think, at least.

 

[Kansas Irish]

That was my first thought as well.

But its great to see a kid actually care about the education they get and not just football.

Unfortunately this is not as common as one may think. It's a matter of finding these talented kids with education as a priority and we'll have an edge.

Here's a little trivia to go along with this (slow pitch). What recruit was on ND's radar, until a recent commitment, when asked the question what he looked for in a school and he answered, "the balance between basketball and football"?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Unfortunately this is not as common as one may think. It's a matter of finding these talented kids with education as a priority and we'll have an edge.

Here's a little trivia to go along with this (slow pitch). What recruit was on ND's radar, until a recent commitment, when asked the question what he looked for in a school and he answered, "the balance between basketball and football"?

AA

 

[BGIF]

He isn't getting into Vanderbilt unless they really lowered their standards.

Do you know Stanifer's GPA, Test Score, and what courses he's taken? And which courses he's scheduled to take during his last HS semester?

I don't.

I track those things (GPA/Test Scores) for ND recruits but don't recall seeing any numbers released for him.

VU admission requirement are comparable to ND's for athletes. I know that from a former VU Compliance Officer who is an ND Law Grad. About 15 years ago when the NCAA required only 12 core courses ND and VU were two of about a half dozen schools that required 16 core courses. The NCAA now requires 16.

VU lists 2 years of a foreign language like ND (I looked it up). Unless Kelly was going rogue from ND Admissions (which didn't work for Holtz as a National Championship coach) I have to believe ND Admissions was showing fleixibility in allowing the online courses (unless that was Standifer's misunderstanding, keep in mind schools can't comment on recruits). Like the rest of us I don't know the details. Stanifer made have had a deficient grade and perhaps ND was willing to except an online course as proof of his capability to do the work or to improve a deficient grade not necessarily in lieu of taking a course.

I've read a number of posts complaining that ND wouldn't allow him to take a summer course. I'm curious how any of you know that. I'll bet you don't.

It's would be quite strange as ND made Prestwood take a foreign language class to transfer into ND.

ND may not allow Standifer to file a LOI this week BUT if he could complete all of ND Admission's requirements this summer he could be admitted - then. I think many of you are ignoring that HE may not wish to wait and get shutout by other schools that would be willing to take him now without additional work. Or HE may be concerned that he could take the courses but obtain grades too low for ND to accept.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Lad I don't know where you been, but I see you won first prize!

 

[Irish YJ]

ND may not allow Standifer to file a LOI this week BUT if he could complete all of ND Admission's requirements this summer he could be admitted - then. I think many of you are ignoring that HE may not wish to wait and get shutout by other schools that would be willing to take him now without additional work. Or HE may be concerned that he could take the courses but obtain grades too low for ND to accept.

^ this...
If he truly wants to be Irish, I'm sure there's a way. Might be extra work, but I think the ball is in his court. Personally, I'd love to have him, so hope he takes a few summer classes.

 

[IrishRed92]

http://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1324675

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"The Spanish [class] didn't work out, so I don't think it is an option anymore," Standifer said. "I am still going to try to talk to Coach [Chuck] Martin and see if there is anything I can do."

So it looks like Pitt and Boise St. From this article. So we close this class with 1 corner and 17 recruits.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Do you know Stanifer's GPA, Test Score, and what courses he's taken? And which courses he's scheduled to take during his last HS semester?

I don't.

I track those things (GPA/Test Scores) for ND recruits but don't recall seeing any numbers released for him.

VU admission requirement are comparable to ND's for athletes. I know that from a former VU Compliance Officer who is an ND Law Grad. About 15 years ago when the NCAA required only 12 core courses ND and VU were two of about a half dozen schools that required 16 core courses. The NCAA now requires 16.

VU lists 2 years of a foreign language like ND (I looked it up). Unless Kelly was going rogue from ND Admissions (which didn't work for Holtz as a National Championship coach) I have to believe ND Admissions was showing fleixibility in allowing the online courses (unless that was Standifer's misunderstanding, keep in mind schools can't comment on recruits). Like the rest of us I don't know the details. Stanifer made have had a deficient grade and perhaps ND was willing to except an online course as proof of his capability to do the work or to improve a deficient grade not necessarily in lieu of taking a course.

I've read a number of posts complaining that ND wouldn't allow him to take a summer course. I'm curious how any of you know that. I'll bet you don't.

It's would be quite strange as ND made Prestwood take a foreign language class to transfer into ND.

ND may not allow Standifer to file a LOI this week BUT if he could complete all of ND Admission's requirements this summer he could be admitted - then. I think many of you are ignoring that HE may not wish to wait and get shutout by other schools that would be willing to take him now without additional work. Or HE may be concerned that he could take the courses but obtain grades too low for ND to accept.

Good post. Seriously, I wish universities would allow prospective students (not just athletes) to enroll without 2nd language credits. The second language requirements could be made into an optional credit (either Spanish, French, Calculus,etc.) 2 years of high school French really means nothing academically. In one school the Spanish course might be a serious, rigorous academic course while at another school (especially rural schools, the Spanish teacher's entire Spanish vocabulary might consist of the lyrics to La Bamba) I am not aware of any state-wide standardized 2nd language exams so it is nearly impossible to gauge the quality of those 2nd language credits.

Furthermore, how essential is two years of high school French or Spanish to a university student enrolled in a general science program? If the student requires university Spanish credits at ND, 2 years of high school Spanish from the vast majority of high schools in the United States (or Canada for that matter) will be of precious little use to him.

If a prospective student has good grades in Math, Physics, English, Biology, Chemisry, History, etc. I think that they should be cut some slack regarding 2nd languages. Most schools take the "core" subjects very seriously, but I have not seen the same academic standards consistently applied to 2nd language courses. The majority of 2nd year French students in the average high school in North America could not converse in French to save their lives in Montreal.

 

[Irish YJ]

still don't understand why summer school is not an option or part of the discussion.

 

[Irish To The Core]

still don't understand why summer school is not an option or part of the discussion.

Perhaps it might still be an option. Standifer seemed to indicate that he wished to touch base with Chuck Martin, regarding the status of his application. But he may well feel uneasy about letting an offer from Pitt or Boise State slide past NSD hoping to get into ND some time later. If he talks to Martin, Chuck will give him a straight answer. I think Martin is a straight shooter and will advise the young man to take the path that is best for him.