'12 WA RB Keivarae Russell (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[BeauBenken]

Love this pickup. Love it.

Regardless if he stays in the backfield or plays in the secondary, he's quick. He's an athlete. He's a high character guy.

Love it. Loveitloveitloveit.

Uhh, what?

 

[NYMIKE6]

Uhh, what?

He obviously loves it......

 

[WabashFalcon]

Uhh, what?

You know my views on RBs by now. Any time we recruit a RB, I look for athleticism. If, at any time, a speedy RB doesn't work out, they can make the change to a FS, SS, or CB. Always been my stance since the day I started posting here at IE.

You really cannot miss on an athletic RB. At the very least, they can become a special teams/dime/dollarback.

So, pumped we landed a RB that COULD become a member of the secondary if it doesn't work out.

NDinLA will back me up on this... especially when I all but drooled on my keyboard when they brough in Cierre.

 

[TerryTate]

You know my views on RBs by now. Any time we recruit a RB, I look for athleticism. If, at any time, a speedy RB doesn't work out, they can make the change to a FS, SS, or CB. Always been my stance since the day I started posting here at IE.

You really cannot miss on an athletic RB. At the very least, they can become a special teams/dime/dollarback.

So, pumped we landed a RB that COULD become a member of the secondary if it doesn't work out.

NDinLA will back me up on this... especially when I all but drooled on my keyboard when they brough in Cierre.

^ He does good lineman analysis too. Noob.

 

[IrishInFl]

You know my views on RBs by now. Any time we recruit a RB, I look for athleticism. If, at any time, a speedy RB doesn't work out, they can make the change to a FS, SS, or CB. Always been my stance since the day I started posting here at IE.

You really cannot miss on an athletic RB. At the very least, they can become a special teams/dime/dollarback.

So, pumped we landed a RB that COULD become a member of the secondary if it doesn't work out.

NDinLA will back me up on this... especially when I all but drooled on my keyboard when they brough in Cierre.

NO WE DON'T, BECAUSE YOU NEVER POST!!1! We miss you, big guy.

 

[BeauBenken]

^ He does good lineman analysis too. Noob.

Terry is hatin' on me recently. lol

And no, Wabash, I didn't know your previous stuff. I ain't been here that long! haha And like it's been said, you do post less than when I first joined. Start doing it more! haha

Oh and the "uhh what?" was just because I hadn't heard any talk of him at DB, just WR/RB.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

^ He does good lineman analysis too. Noob.

 

[WabashFalcon]

I need some film on the new OL btw.

 

[BGIF]

I need some film on the new OL btw.

It still gets posted in the OL Recruit's Profile like it was back when Beau was in the 4th grade.

I miss your OL critiques but can't stand a former OL that slobbers over RBs.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Russell told ISD that he knows of "a few" prospects that will commit to Notre Dame on Saturday.

 

[Irish2015]

I thought only one prospect that was actually considering us (shumate) would be announcing this weekend?

 

[Sweetness34]

Russell told ISD that he knows of "a few" prospects that will commit to Notre Dame on Saturday.

How long ago did he say that? That could have been with Shumate and Wright but now Wright is not committing on Saturday.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Westerkamp may as well.

 

[clashmore_mike]

also, Jordan Payton and Shaq Thompson are scheduled to announce Saturday. Longshots but possibilities.

 

[justinpham]

Interesting link with some quotes from Russell about jilted UW fans in his recruitment. Joshua Garnett is mentioned as well. Probably serves as a good reminder to us all...

Rejected fans’ nastiness a nuisance to recruiters | High School Sports - The News Tribune

 

[Irishnuke]

I think it's funny and ironic that the article talks about bitter fans leaving nasty comments in articles about recruits, then the bitter UW fans do exactly that. I know it's the same with us and every other school. I'm not always happy when one of our targets picks another school, especially UM or USC, but I'm also not going to trash a kid and say he'll never amount to anything. If you're going to follow recruiting, you have to learn to deal with losses. If you can't deal, you need to quit.

 

[Couv Domer]

Interesting link with some quotes from Russell about jilted UW fans in his recruitment. Joshua Garnett is mentioned as well. Probably serves as a good reminder to us all...

Rejected fans’ nastiness a nuisance to recruiters | High School Sports - The News Tribune

Great article and mostly good comments posted on tribune site by those who've read the article.
I posted comments on the Seattle Times spots blog site (Bob Candotta's article site) in Russell's defense, and got reemed by several Husky Honks. Go figure.

 

[jonesman]

It is good to point out to fans that recruits read all the negative or positive stuff that gets spewed on sites like ours and ohters. keep you comments positive or atleast neutral. There is no reason for personal attacks on these kids.

 

[bert2834]

While there is no reason for personal attacks, this is an ND board and we have a right to post our opinions of what we think the recruits abilities are.

On the other hand, don't tweet them and say these things.

 

[ThePiombino]

While there is no reason for personal attacks, this is an ND board and we have a right to post our opinions of what we think the recruits abilities are.

On the other hand, don't tweet them and say these things.

Offering objective criticism is one thing, attacking them on a personal level is another...

 

[Rhode Irish]

Offering objective criticism is one thing, attacking them on a personal level is another...

Exactly.

 

[TerryTate]

Rejected fans’ nastiness a nuisance to recruiters | High School Sports - The News Tribune

Rejected fans' nastiness a nuisance to recruiters
KeiVarae Russell knew his decision to play college football at Notre Dame wouldn’t be popular among University of Washington fans.

DOUG PACEY; STAFF WRITER
Published: 01/08/12 12:05 am
32 Comments

KeiVarae Russell knew his decision to play college football at Notre Dame wouldn’t be popular among University of Washington fans.

Russell, a blue-chip running back from Mariner High of Everett, had seen the venom spewed by a vocal segment of Huskies fans at other in-state recruits who bypassed the home school.

“I knew for sure it would come my way,” Russell said.

Within seconds of announcing that he was going to Notre Dame, picking the Irish over UW in a ceremony in late December at his high school, Russell became a punching bag for jilted Huskies fans on the Internet.

Like a horde of just-dumped boyfriends, anonymous posters left bitter messages in the comments sections of newspaper websites and on Huskies-centric message boards.

“I didn’t want him to come to UW anyways because his position, running back, isn’t vital to UW and he would have sucked up a scholarship,” a poster by the name of “UW_Alum” commented on a story about Russell’s commitment at The Seattle Times’ website.

Others ripped on Russell’s mom, who (gasp!) had the gall to influence her 18-year-old son’s decision and steered him away from UW.

All of a sudden, the 6-foot, 178-pound Russell, who played in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl on Saturday, was deemed too small and would languish on the depth chart. Never mind that three-year starting running back Chris Polk was leaving for the NFL and there would be open competition for carries in the backfield next season, or that Russell’s versatility as a pass-catcher sets him apart from any running back on UW’s roster.

Russell suspects the reaction would have been different had he chosen UW.

“They wouldn’t have said anything,” he said, laughing. “They would have loved me.”

RECRUITS NOTICE

Those anonymous online comments are more than fans blowing off steam over losing in-state recruits. They have real-life ramifications, particularly when it comes to recruiting.

Tacoma Baptist offensive tackle Walker Williams said recruits talk about the comments written by posters on recruiting message boards. Williams, who has given an oral commitment to Wisconsin, said they caused at least one UW prospect to eliminate the Huskies from consideration.

“I’m not going to talk about which person,” Williams said, “but that was a factor in one of the recruits deciding not to go to Washington – how the Washington fans treated another recruit when he decided not to go to Washington.”

Obviously, a recruit considers others aspects – playing time, location, academics, relationship with coaches, program prestige, etc. – that probably carry more weight when choosing a college. However, the way fans treat recruits is not insignificant. Russell said the comments could have long-term effects.

“It might affect the next recruiting class,” he said. “They might look at that and think, ‘Oh, I don’t want to go play for those guys.’ ”

Williams was the first recruit in the class of 2012 to be a target of angry UW fans. He committed to Wisconsin in August and message boards and UW fan sites filled with comments that said he wasn’t good enough to get UW’s full recruiting attention, that he would fail because he played Class 2B football in high school, and that the Huskies didn’t need him because elite offensive linemen Zach Banner of Lakes High and Joshua Garnett of Puyallup High were going to be Dawgs. (Garnett has since eliminated the Huskies, and UW could strike out on Banner, who has yet to make a commitment.)

What many of those posters don’t know is that UW ratcheted up its recruitment of Williams immediately after he committed to Wisconsin. In fact, Huskies offensive line coach Dan Cozzetto visited Williams at Tacoma Baptist on Thursday to try to persuade Williams to take an official visit to UW. Williams declined, telling Cozzetto that Badgers coach Bret Bielema was coming for an in-home visit on Friday. Williams remains firmly committed to Wisconsin “unless something Sandusky-ish happens,” he said.

Since pledging the Badgers, Williams said he has truly tried to consider Washington, but he can’t get past the boorish treatment he received.

“To be honest, every time I think of UW, I think of their nasty fans – more so than Oregon,” Williams said. “Even though that’s a very small percentage and most fans are great fans – they support commits that go to UW and wish well the recruits that don’t – that small percentage really ruins it for the whole fan base.”

NEGATIVE IMPACT

At Dawgman.com, a UW-focused website, message board moderators have warned members that the rising number of personal attacks will have a negative impact on UW’s ability to attract recruits. Some have heeded the advice and chastised other members for bashing recruits, while others dismiss the warnings, calling recruits “thin-skinned.”

No matter one’s opinion, it’s a fact that Washington has lost out on many of the state’s top recruits this year, and ripping recruits further probably won’t help matters.

Already, three of the state’s best players – Lakes High receiver/defensive back Cedric Dozier, Garnett and Russell – have committed elsewhere or eliminated UW, and Banner could become the fourth highly rated recruit to leave. Banner said he will choose between Oklahoma, USC and Washington later this month.

Garnett, widely regarded as one of the top linemen in the country, revealed in December that the Huskies did not make his final cut and he would play at Michigan, Notre Dame or Stanford. Within minutes, the news reached Dawgman.com and Huskies faithful were stunned. Many comments showed anger at the recruiting efforts of UW’s coaching staff, but some were personal attacks leveled at Garnett.

“If he ever tries to practice medicine in this state I hope he gets sued for malpractice,” “2002Dawg” wrote, referring to Garnett’s ambition to become a medical doctor.

In an interview on Dec. 28, Garnett said he understood if UW fans were disappointed to lose out on in-state recruits, but choosing a college is the biggest life decision most high school seniors have made and the geographical location of a school is only one factor to consider.

“A lot of people assume we’re automatically going to go (to UW) because they’d go there if they could be high-schoolers again,” he said.

One day after Garnett made that statement, Russell declared for Notre Dame.

BLAME TO SHARE

Of course, UW supporters don’t have a monopoly on launching personal attacks on recruits who went elsewhere. This behavior happens across the country. University of Oregon fans took bitterness to a new low when Lake Oswego (Ore.) High star Kevin Love, who spurned the Ducks for UCLA, played his first game at MacArthur Court as a Bruin in 2008. Love received death threats and spectators yelled slurs at his grandmother, mom and sister.

Over-the-top fans can’t take all the blame. Some of it falls on the recruits, who sometimes allow fans to become close through social media, such as Facebook and Twitter. A former Pacific-12 Conference coach laid out the scenario.

“What happens is because of the recruiting websites’ desire for information, it gets out who you are recruiting,” the coach said. “Then every (John Doe) from the fan sites starts to become friends with these kids … and thinks he is trying to be helpful by sending him encouraging messages. At that point, the recruit basically gives them instant access to everything he does.”

Kim Grinolds, publisher of Dawgman.com, says the reactions are nothing out of the ordinary in the highly charged atmosphere of college sports.

“They don’t get to play on the field,” he said, “so they paint their hair purple and take out their passion for the game on the keyboard.”

Williams understands that zeal. Wisconsin fans are some of the most fervent in the country, but he cautions that the actions of fans can tarnish the perception of a program to the people it needs to appear most attractive to – recruits.

“I’m trying to separate in my mind that these are fans and this is the football program and coaches,” Williams said, looking at each of his hands, palms up. “What the fans say is not a direct representation of the coaches and the program, but you can’t get around it. What they say does reflect on the coaches and the program overall, whether you want it to or not.

“They don’t realize how much it really affects recruiting.”

Take note.

 

[SaltyND24]

It is good to point out to fans that recruits read all the negative or positive stuff that gets spewed on sites like ours and ohters. keep you comments positive or atleast neutral. There is no reason for personal attacks on these kids.

True...unless your name is Gherig Dieter I kid of course...

 

[Damion704]

ISD Member Board

 

[Emcee77]

what does it say? no access

 

[IrishLax]

In the Film Room: Keivarae Russell

Good article. I don't know if it's premium or free. Did you guys know he has a 3' 2" vertical? Also ran a 3.80 shuttle and 4.55 40 at The Opening. That's really elite athleticism even if he isn't a burner. I really expect to see him in the slot.

 

[buirish]

In the Film Room: Keivarae Russell

Good article. I don't know if it's premium or free. Did you guys know he has a 3' 6" vertical? Also ran a 3.80 shuttle and 4.55 40 at The Opening. That's really elite athleticism even if he isn't a burner. I really expect to see him in the slot.

I'm not a premium member at ISD and was able to read the article. Awesome write up...worth the time and I like the comparison with Reggie Bush. Perfect fit for Kelly's Spread Offense!!
Go Irish

 

[woolybug25]

In the Film Room: Keivarae Russell

Good article. I don't know if it's premium or free. Did you guys know he has a 3' 6" vertical? Also ran a 3.80 shuttle and 4.55 40 at The Opening. That's really elite athleticism even if he isn't a burner. I really expect to see him in the slot.

For frame of reference, Calvin Johnson's vertical at the combine was 3.58 feet. Randy Moss had a 3.25 feet vertical and to sway off of football for a moment.... Dwayne Wade has a 3 foot vertical.

So yeah.... 3.6 is pretty elite.

 

[jbrown_9999]

For frame of reference, Calvin Johnson's vertical at the combine was 3.58 feet. Randy Moss had a 3.25 feet vertical and to sway off of football for a moment.... Dwayne Wade has a 3 foot vertical.

So yeah.... 3.6 is pretty elite.

Just to clarify, 3'6" = 3.5 feet. Still amazing

 

[jimmymac]

I'm pretty sure it said his vertical is 38 inches, which is 3 feet 2inches, still great but not 3 feet 8 inches haha