'12 CA DT/DE Arik Armstead (Oregon Verbal)

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

They're still hoping for Arik and might just for spite...

The mere threat would probably be enough. Also, if the Pac was willing to enforce its own transfer restrictions after the NCAA lifted it for USC players, schools within the conference would probably be reluctant to cross that picket line and take advantage of USC's roster crunch. Maybe they wouldn't choose the nuclear option if backed into a corner but a lot of factors (not the least of which is custom) would seem likely to force Armstead the elder to look outside the Pac.

 

[Grahambo]

They're still hoping for Arik and might just for spite...

Arik dropped them completely.

"This transfer scenario appeared likely in December when his brother Arik -- an ESPNU 150 recruit -- dropped USC from consideration after being a longtime verbal commit to the Trojans. "

Armond Armstead likely to transfer - USC Trojans Blog - ESPN (ESPN Insider)

Armond has listed ND, Auburn, and Arkansas are 3 schools he is considering and is meeting with the USC transfer people on Monday.

 

[Ricochet]

There is the rule in place that don't allow athlete's to transfer within the conference but it can happen though one will need to pay there own way as a scholarship isn't allowed.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

According to the article quoted above by BGIF, USC is currently using a Pac-10 rule as cover for not allowing Armond to transfer within conference.

I suspect they'd be able to keep him from ND if they wanted to; the questions then are (1) how badly they want his scholarship back; and (2) whether they're willing to deal with the negative publicity of hindering his transfer without the conference rule as cover.

 

[BGIF]

Since USC is restricted to just 75 scholarships and they plan on taking in 15 recruits, they are going to need his scholarship so would have no reason to keep it.

The St. Joe's kid has been discussed here in the past. He's been enrolled at UAB, another Div 1 college for 6 months but his coach is still carrying him as a St Joe's scholarship because he refuses to release him. It's vindictive.

Armond does NOT count against Kiffin's roster if the USC medical staff as they said he's unfit to play. Hence the real issue. If he's "unfit" to play why not release him?

ND medical staff said Wenger was unfit to play due to several concussions. He and his family disagreed. ND would have paid his way on a medical scholarship but he left to pursue football at UF and played there this fall. ND didn't stand in his way.

 

[Grahambo]

According to the article quoted above by BGIF, USC is currently using a Pac-10 rule as cover for not allowing Armond to transfer within conference.

I suspect they'd be able to keep him from ND if they wanted to; the questions then are (1) how badly they want his scholarship back; and (2) whether they're willing to deal with the negative publicity of hindering his transfer without the conference rule as cover.

Considering they are going to need every single last one because of restrictions, doesn't seem likely that they would keep his. All that said, Armond hasn't listed any Pac 12 schools at least according to the article I posted.

 

[Grahambo]

The St. Joe's kid has been discussed here in the past. He's been enrolled at UAB, another Div 1 college for 6 months but his coach is still carrying him as a St Joe's scholarship because he refuses to release him. It's vindictive.

Armond does NOT count against Kiffin's roster if the USC medical staff as they said he's unfit to play. Hence the real issue. If he's "unfit" to play why not release him?

ND medical staff said Wenger was unfit to play due to several concussions. He and his family disagreed. ND would have paid his way on a medical scholarship but he left to pursue football at UF and played there this fall. ND didn't stand in his way.

I'm just basing my information off the article which was written on wearesc.com. The way the article paints it, just doesn't seem like they would keep his scholarship because of the 75 limit and with them adding 15 this year.

 

[BGIF]

According to the article quoted above by BGIF, USC is currently using a Pac-10 rule as cover for not allowing Armond to transfer within conference.

I suspect they'd be able to keep him from ND if they wanted to; the questions then are (1) how badly they want his scholarship back; and (2) whether they're willing to deal with the negative publicity of hindering his transfer without the conference rule as cover.

WJ,

IF USC declared him medically unfit, his scholarship is available. The question is why restrict an "unfit" athlete. I suspect they want to play him in '12 after he "recovers" after a one year medical redshirt.

IF they have declared him "unfit" (thinking back I not sure they have) I don't know how they would pull that rabbit out of the hat without the NCAA screaming foul. There have been lots of kids have their careers end at colleges across the country and the NCAA allowed the schools to pay the former athletes education on a non athletic scholarship basis. In NCAA parlance a medically unfit athlete is NOT a "counter".

 

[irish4ever]

Arik dropped them completely.

"This transfer scenario appeared likely in December when his brother Arik -- an ESPNU 150 recruit -- dropped USC from consideration after being a longtime verbal commit to the Trojans. "

Armond Armstead likely to transfer - USC Trojans Blog - ESPN (ESPN Insider)

Armond has listed ND, Auburn, and Arkansas are 3 schools he is considering and is meeting with the USC transfer people on Monday.

With Auburn possibly imploding soon, he may be down to (2) schools rather soon! Who knows, huh?

 

[rtrn2glory]

what is armond's official diagnosis injury wise? has he had concussions or is it something else?

 

[cLaRk_JoNeS]

I dont get it.

USC is a bunch of slimeballs right? lol

SO why wouldnt they simply clear this kid, who supposedly has been cleared by multiple doctors. Then they have a kid who was an NFL prospect and then easily get the #1 player in country.

You guys all keep sayin oh that kiffin will do anything, yet not what seems like the easiest thing to do.

Was USC sued at somepoint in time for medically clearing someone and now have super duper guidelines.

Is the young fella simply making up stories of all the other DRs giving him a clean bill of health.

 

[IrishLax]

I dont get it.

USC is a bunch of slimeballs right? lol

SO why wouldnt they simply clear this kid, who supposedly has been cleared by multiple doctors. Then they have a kid who was an NFL prospect and then easily get the #1 player in country.

You guys all keep sayin oh that kiffin will do anything, yet not what seems like the easiest thing to do.

Was USC sued at somepoint in time for medically clearing someone and now have super duper guidelines.

Is the young fella simply making up stories of all the other DRs giving him a clean bill of health.

It's a combination of them having strict doctors not really under Kiffin's thumb (see: Jarvis Jones) and then getting to a point where if you're already going to have to cut a half dozen people to make your roster work and you don't feel you need him for next year, why approve him and waste a scholly that you don't have?

The thing is no one knows exactly why he wasn't cleared in the first place... it might be a conspiracy, it might not. But after not letting him play a couple games in the season, the ship has completely sailed with Arik because the family does not trust USC, so it made no sense to clear him now. It is "confirmed" that he has been cleared by independent doctors. And there have been no statements made as to why on earth he might be unfit to play.

So the situation is quite puzzling, but it makes sense now that USC is already over their schollie limit and just took a grey shirt 3 DE they won't have room for next year and will continue to take scholarship players, that USC is leaving him uncleared. It's a very easy way of not asking him back for a 5th year.

 

[cLaRk_JoNeS]

whats the best forum site for usc? googling gives me nothing but some rivals board that hurts my eyes and is not really a forum.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Article on Inside the Irish discussing the possibility of the package deal.

Are the Irish courting two Armsteads? | Inside the Irish

“Nothing’s set in stone, but I’m going to start taking visits and checking some other schools out,” Armstead said by phone Tuesday night. “I’m not 100 percent sure what’s going to happen.”

Armstead, a 6-foot-5, 290-pound senior from Elk Grove, has three options to choose from: Return to USC, transfer or enter the 2012 NFL draft. Based on conversations with him and his father, transferring seems like the most likely outcome, returning to USC the least. Armstead listed Notre Dame, Auburn and Arkansas as three possible destinations.

 

[NDdomer2]

After Arik's live chat the other day everyone thought it was a ND/Cal battle. Then his brother comes out with ND, Auburn, Akransas. I only see one common team. Arik has a visit to Auburn upcoming though right? What happened to the rule about grad students transfering to SEC. Wouldn't that rule out Arkansas and Auburn?

 

[gkIrish]

So to summarize because there's a lot of info to process...(correct me if I'm wrong)

Armond is looking to transfer out of USC because he can't get medically cleared. He is considering Arkansas, Auburn and ND. There may or may not be an SEC rule prohibiting him from transferring to the conference. There may or may not be a Pac-12 rule prohibiting him from transferring to another school in the conference. Finally, USC may have some control over where he can go. Obviously normal graduate transfer rules apply.

If we assume that Arik and Armond will go to the same school if possible, ND seems like the only school that can accommodate them if USC can't prevent it. Plus we know that Arik wants to play basketball (Cal/ND best choices there).

Finally, as one poster pointed out, it may be possible to use a basketball scholarship on Arik for 2012 and give Armond Arik's football scholly. This would be beneficial because Armond wouldn't take up an extra spot.

IMO we have a good chance at both

 

[rtrn2glory]

i thought you weren't allowed to use basketball schollies on football players?

i think NDLA said something along those lines awhile back.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Can someone firmly say when Arik is making an announcement?

 

[Ricochet]

So to summarize because there's a lot of info to process...(correct me if I'm wrong)

Armond is looking to transfer out of USC because he can't get medically cleared. He is considering Arkansas, Auburn and ND. There may or may not be an SEC rule prohibiting him from transferring to the conference. There may or may not be a Pac-12 rule prohibiting him from transferring to another school in the conference. Finally, USC may have some control over where he can go. Obviously normal graduate transfer rules apply.

If we assume that Arik and Armond will go to the same school if possible, ND seems like the only school that can accommodate them if USC can't prevent it. Plus we know that Arik wants to play basketball (Cal/ND best choices there).

Finally, as one poster pointed out, it may be possible to use a basketball scholarship on Arik for 2012 and give Armond Arik's football scholly. This would be beneficial because Armond wouldn't take up an extra spot.

IMO we have a good chance at both

The basketball scholarship for Arik in 2012 can't happen without penalty and the cost is 2 years of eligibility. There are rules in place for such things because back in the day schools took advantage of this and more or less had dummy sports programs to get more scholarships for the football team.

In the eyes of NCAA football trumps all if your on scholarship and play football the scholarship will count against football whether you came to school on a soccer, baseball, basketball, hockey, track swimming or any other sport.

 

[NDdomer2]

He said the sport that generates the most revenue is who the scholarship falls under but until since he would be playing basketball immediately, he would be a basketball scholarship until he plays a game. So IF he were to redshirt. His scholarship wouldn't start for fb until the year after Armond left. At least that's how I took it.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

So to summarize because there's a lot of info to process...(correct me if I'm wrong)

Armond is looking to transfer out of USC because he can't get medically cleared. He is considering Arkansas, Auburn and ND. There may or may not be an SEC rule prohibiting him from transferring to the conference. There may or may not be a Pac-12 rule prohibiting him from transferring to another school in the conference. Finally, USC may have some control over where he can go. Obviously normal graduate transfer rules apply.

If we assume that Arik and Armond will go to the same school if possible, ND seems like the only school that can accommodate them if USC can't prevent it. Plus we know that Arik wants to play basketball (Cal/ND best choices there).

Finally, as one poster pointed out, it may be possible to use a basketball scholarship on Arik for 2012 and give Armond Arik's football scholly. This would be beneficial because Armond wouldn't take up an extra spot.

IMO we have a good chance at both

If he plays football or is even on the roster, that trumps any other sprt and would be counted towards the 85 limit, even if he redshirted.

 

[Ricochet]

Can someone firmly say when Arik is making an announcement?

No one can sense Arik says himself he doesn't know but that it will be in 2 weeks or less as he's going to EE.

 

[rtrn2glory]

is it an absolute done deal that these two guys will be enrolling together in school? is there any chance they go to different places?

 

[IrishLax]

is it an absolute done deal that these two guys will be enrolling together in school? is there any chance they go to different places?

Read above. Absolutely not a package deal.

 

[CarrollVermin]

No one can sense Arik says himself he doesn't know but that it will be in 2 weeks or less as he's going to EE.

Gracias, amigo.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Read above. Absolutely not a package deal.

sorry bout that...skimmed passed that part.

 

[gkIrish]

is it an absolute done deal that these two guys will be enrolling together in school? is there any chance they go to different places?

It's not a package deal but you have to think that if it's reasonably possible (i.e. by going to ND) that has to be a HUGE factor in what Arik decides

 

[clashmore_mike]

If he plays football or is even on the roster, that trumps any other sprt and would be counted towards the 85 limit, even if he redshirted.

This is wrong. If he comes in on a basketball scholarship he will remain on a basketball scholarship until he plays in a football game. If he were to EE and join the basketball team and then sits out the 2012 football season (red shirt) he won't count against the 85 until he plays in 2013.

 

[clashmore_mike]

The basketball scholarship for Arik in 2012 can't happen without penalty and the cost is 2 years of eligibility. There are rules in place for such things because back in the day schools took advantage of this and more or less had dummy sports programs to get more scholarships for the football team.

In the eyes of NCAA football trumps all if your on scholarship and play football the scholarship will count against football whether you came to school on a soccer, baseball, basketball, hockey, track swimming or any other sport.

Where are you getting this about a loss of two years eligibility?

 

[cLaRk_JoNeS]

if the point is to play with his bro, him coming here to redshirt and play Basketball doesnt really make sense. No way does the #1 prospect redshirt in a position of need anyways in my opinion.

Again i ask what the usc forum is ev1 looks up for there info