'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

[BeauBenken]

He has size and athleticism. I just think that he is much better suited for a pro-style offense. I think he will do much better at LSU than Notre Dame. Fuller on the other hand is what I think off when I see a spread. He's fast and good enough with his arm. He in my opinion is a more accurate, smarter Denard.

A lot of coaches would agree with your pro-style sentiment, but he has also done great things in the spread that he runs in high school especially considering the lack of talent surrounding him.

I'd disagree that'd he would do better at LSU though. He'd get much more love as a QB in ND's system compared to LSU's.

I'm not sold on Fuller's ability to throw the ball accurately or stand in the pocket and deliver a college throw though. I love his athletic ability but in the limited film I've seen of him, you don't get much of a feel for how consistent his throwing is. The film has much more of him running than passing and I imagine that is for a reason. He poses a greater threat running than passing.

 

[Kanye West]

A lot of coaches would agree with your pro-style sentiment, but he has also done great things in the spread that he runs in high school especially considering the lack of talent surrounding him.

I'd disagree that'd he would do better at LSU though. He'd get much more love as a QB in ND's system compared to LSU's.

I'm not sold on Fuller's ability to throw the ball accurately or stand in the pocket and deliver a college throw though. I love his athletic ability but in the limited film I've seen of him, you don't get much of a feel for how consistent his throwing is. The film has much more of him running than passing and I imagine that is for a reason. He poses a greater threat running than passing.

I think Hendrix is better than Gunner and we have Hendrix for atleast 2 years. Hendrix played at Moeller and some one in one of my classes at OSU knew him. He threw 92 as a sophomore in Highschool. We have a rare talent in Hendrix and I think Kiel would ride the bench for the next 2 or 3 years.I think Kiel's main pitch is playing time and that is why I personally believe he is going to LSU. On the other hand, Fuller is a freak of nature athlete, even if he can't get on the field as QB just get him the ball and he willl be successful. My logic in this debate is you can teach Fuller to throw somewhat like Kiel, but Kiel will never run a sub 4.4 40. If we did not have Hendrix or Golson I would have a lot higher interest in Kiel. He seems like a good kid and hopefully he is successful where ever he goes.

 

[ThePiombino]

I just don't buy Kiel to LSU. It goes against most of what he is supposedly looking for in college. I definitely see Vandy before LSU. This is all unless, of course, all Gunner is just getting swept up by the momentum of a NC run. I sure hope not!

At the end of the day, I hope ND - obviously - but find myself caring less and less with each passing day. I think that might just be a defense mechanism though lol

 

[tadman95]

I just don't buy Kiel to LSU. It goes against most of what he is supposedly looking for in college. I definitely see Vandy before LSU. This is all unless, of course, all Gunner is just getting swept up by the momentum of a NC run. I sure hope not!

At the end of the day, I hope ND - obviously - but find myself caring less and less with each passing day. I think that might just be a defense mechanism though lol

That pretty well sums it up.

 

[IrishLax]

So.... anyone think he pushes his decision schedule back? Or will this all be over in the next 12 hours?

 

[Domina Nostra]

I think Hendrix is better than Gunner and we have Hendrix for atleast 2 years. Hendrix played at Moeller and some one in one of my classes at OSU knew him. He threw 92 as a sophomore in Highschool. We have a rare talent in Hendrix and I think Kiel would ride the bench for the next 2 or 3 years.I think Kiel's main pitch is playing time and that is why I personally believe he is going to LSU. On the other hand, Fuller is a freak of nature athlete, even if he can't get on the field as QB just get him the ball and he willl be successful. My logic in this debate is you can teach Fuller to throw somewhat like Kiel, but Kiel will never run a sub 4.4 40. If we did not have Hendrix or Golson I would have a lot higher interest in Kiel. He seems like a good kid and hopefully he is successful where ever he goes.

The thing is you definitely cannot teach kids to be high quality throwers. There are tons of athletes out there, and tons of great arms, but there are only a few great throwers. Golson is a great thrower. Kiel looks darn good too. Hendrix is not. He can be very effective with his strong legs and arm, as could a speed demon like Fuller, but great passers are what allow you to really open up a playbook.

 

[eNDzone]

According to the Indianapolis Star he is committing on Sunday.

 

[nin05]

Link? My gut is telling me that before the clock strikes midnight tonight, he'll have made a decision and we'll know about it.

 

[tadman95]

According to the Indianapolis Star he is committing on Sunday.

Surely not on Christmas....... SMH

 

[PLACforever]

Surely not on Christmas....... SMH

At least its not at the College Football HoF.......:embar:

 

[magogian]

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[magogian]

According to the Indianapolis Star he is committing on Sunday.

LINK! or GTFO.

I don't see anything on their website that says that. Maybe you are confusing the info that Gunner wants to have a decision before Christmas? This article, Latest on Gunner Kiel: plans to have decision by Christmas | High school sports blog | The Indianapolis Star | IndyStar.com, says he wants to make a decision "by Christmas."

It is really annoying to have to do a poster's own work by tracking down a link. Then, only to discover, that the poster is likely misrepresenting the information. Not cool.

 

[woolybug25]

He has size and athleticism. I just think that he is much better suited for a pro-style offense. I think he will do much better at LSU than Notre Dame. Fuller on the other hand is what I think off when I see a spread. He's fast and good enough with his arm. He in my opinion is a more accurate, smarter Denard.

You know Gunner ran a pistol offense in high school right? I also wouldn't call LSU's offense "pro style". It seems like you may have "green glasses syndrome" where you think anyone that currently has a ND jersey is better than any prospect. Hendrix, although I do like him, has been unable to unseat Tommy Rees. So I don't get your rational on him outcompeting the #1 QB recruit in the country for his entire college career. Finally, Golson is a better, smarter Denard? I love the kid too, but he hasn't played a real down of college football yet.

With all of your run-first antics, I am wondering if you truly understand the offense Kelly has traditionally ran. Kelly wants a QB that is mobile, but that is far less important than being able to move outside of the pocket while making progressions. Something Gunner might be the best prospect in the country at doing. Look at Kelly's former Qb's. Do any of them remind you Denard? If yes, Then you are full of bs.

To be honest, I haven't decided whether you are trolling for debate or if you really think this way. Either way, this thread has been on the edge lately and people get very testy. Just warning you up front.

 

[rocket66]

Wiltfong just posted an update. Not much more other than Gunner is still truly undecided and any rumors out there are completely false. Wiltfong's gut now tells him that it's 50/50 LSU and ND. No time table set for the decision yet.

I'm beginning to think it won't happen today. We might have to wait until after Christmas.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Update 5,784,627,882:


So Wiltfong checked in again this morning and it is basically neck and neck between ND and LSU with Vandy still in consideration.

Don't believe ANYTHING you read about a supposed leader because there isn't one.

Gunner is really struggling with the decision and the family is weighing all the options.

Also when he does decide there will be no big announcement.

Hang in there, it will all be over soon.

 

[Grahambo]

I will say, it would be sweet if we won a recruiting battle against an SEC team like LSU.

 

[irishog77]

You know Gunner ran a pistol offense in high school right? I also wouldn't call LSU's offense "pro style". It seems like you may have "green glasses syndrome" where you think anyone that currently has a ND jersey is better than any prospect. Hendrix, although I do like him, has been unable to unseat Tommy Rees. So I don't get your rational on him outcompeting the #1 QB recruit in the country for his entire college career. Finally, Golson is a better, smarter Denard? I love the kid too, but he hasn't played a real down of college football yet.

With all of your run-first antics, I am wondering if you truly understand the offense Kelly has traditionally ran. Kelly wants a QB that is mobile, but that is far less important than being able to move outside of the pocket while making progressions. Something Gunner might be the best prospect in the country at doing. Look at Kelly's former Qb's. Do any of them remind you Denard? If yes, Then you are full of bs.

To be honest, I haven't decided whether you are trolling for debate or if you really think this way. Either way, this thread has been on the edge lately and people get very testy. Just warning you up front.

^ This.

Running a more "traditional" offense like LSU does not mean that it's a pro style offense. Similarly, guys like Joe Tiller (Drew Brees, Kyle Orton), Mike Leach (perennial QB's leading the nation in passing yards, or damn close to leading), and OU run a spread offense with QB's that aren't running threats.

Spread does not necessarily = running QB
2 WR's/1 TE does not necessarily = pro style offense

Gunner has the legs to be good in any style of offense. He has the arm to be great in any style of offense.

 

[jimmymac]

I don't understand why he's putting such a short time frame on his decision if he has until the 7th to decide... It makes me think he knows where he's going despite what he's saying but I don't know. If it was me and I was still undecided I wouldn't put a time limit of two of three days on my decision.

 

[BGIF]

I don't understand why he's putting such a short time frame on his decision if he has until the 7th to decide... It makes me think he knows where he's going despite what he's saying but I don't know. If it was me and I was still undecided I wouldn't put a time limit of two of three days on my decision.

Definitely not on a 40 year decision.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Wiltfong is not the offender here. He was the first one I'm aware of to shoot down the II rumor from earlier this week.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

I believe its a silent time if I remember correctly.

 

[eNDzone]

Irish recruiting update - Notre Dame Football Blog - ESPN

Sorry I am at work.

 

[woolybug25]

He has just been sharing his opinion from what he has been told from the Kiel camp. He reported that ND was his leader and that was a fact before the visits to Vandy and LSU. The stuff the last couple days was just that he was getting the impression that LSU was more of a factor than originally thought, granted he shouldn't have stated that they are the new team to beat and then back off it a day later.
He does have better access than most, they just aren't really sharing much. I can assure you he is the last one to take info from other writers.

He doesn't have any more access than any of the other reporters that the Kiel family will talk to. They give standard answers to Wiltfong just like the other reporters. He has chosen to try to break news that really wasn't there several times during this. Like I said, I like him, but let's be honest about it. He is not some Gunner Messiah that can look into his recruiting crystal ball and tell us where Gunner is leaning, and he has tried to do just that several times, only having to backtrack. Each time claiming "that the situation has changed". Then a bunch of his followers just ate it right up, and all I am saying is that I am full with his opinion on Gunner. I personally am done eating it up.

 

[NYMIKE6]

From what i read over at B&G their calling it a 3 horse race right now ND, LSU, Vandy and they're not calling a leader anymore because they said he's truly undecided.

 

[sfk324]

While it would be nice to land Gunner, at the end of the day, I can't help but have Norm Dale's talk with Jimmy Chitwood going through my head: "You have special talent, a gift. Not the school's, not the townspeople, not the team's, not [Les Miles'], not mine. It's yours, to do with what you choose. Because that's what I believe, I can tell you this: I don't care if you play on the team or not."

If he comes, great. If he doesn't, ND football will get along just fine.

 

[irishtrinity]

my nefews name is Gunner... I hope i get to see a Gunner at QB for ND..

I am dreaming of solid top 5 class this yr.

 

[NDMontana]

If it is true that he is truly undecided than he really might just walk up to mic on Saturday or Sunday, scratching the back of his head, and blurt out a school. Hell, he might even call four press conferences this weekend and name each school once and then, at the fourth, say he needs another week.

 

[NDMontana]

This from NBC Sports:

Irish fan’s passion for Kiel — a player many regard as the No. 1 quarterback in the country — has been surprisingly level-headed. Maybe it’s the log jam that currently needs to play itself out with the current depth chart and the still-to-be-determined ability of guys like Andrew Hendrix and Everett Golson, but Kiel’s recruitment hasn’t turned into the message board soap opera other top prep quarterbacking targets have been in the past.

What the hell have they been looking at or, more appropriately, not looking at?

 

[jason_h537]

LOL maybe they meant to say that they have seen worse?

I know we all know that 1 obsessive Kiel fan, but I really could care less what he does. Yes it would be nice to add a 5 star QB to the class, but he is not needed. If he goes elsewhere that leaves a schollie open for a player that is much more important to depth.

I am kinda eh... wake me when its over.

 

[irishtrinity]

I still hope BK did work... Plus we have everything a college football player could want... The tradition, NC'S,GUG, stadium, campus etc..