'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

[magogian]

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To be honest, it would surprise me if the staff went after another QB other than Kiel. When Kiel committed to IU, the staff completely let off the gas with getting a QB. So going after a kid that they would have to convert to the QB position would be a shocker.

Check my edit. The thought is that our interest is because Molnar is gone. If it has anything to do with Kiel, it isn't known yet.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I don't have any info to add, obviously. But I would like to point out that, to the extent that it matters, high school kids are dicks and they will do just about anything if they think it will go up somebody's rear sideways. I know this from experience. I wouldn't put much stock into what a group of probably 15 or 20 seventeen year olds were chanting. Gunner certainly could end up at LSU, but it won't have anything to do with chanting students.

 

[woolybug25]

Edit: The interest may have more to do with the fact that Molnar is gone.

What do you mean by this?

Also, I don't know if Fuller should be considered as a QB recruit for the staff. Any college in the country would be lucky to have Fuller at any skill position on the field. He is Big Skill. He is listed as an ATH (although many of his top schools are recruiting him as a QB), and correct me if i'm wrong, has had a Notre Dame (and every other school) offer for a while now.

 

[magogian]

What do you mean by this?

Also, I don't know if Fuller should be considered as a QB recruit for the staff. Any college in the country would be lucky to have Fuller at any skill position on the field. He is listed as an ATH, and correct me if i'm wrong, has had a Notre Dame (and every other school) offer for a while now.

Only very recently are we now recruiting him as a QB, and he is very interested in that. Prior to that, we were recruiting him as a DB, and he wasn't interested.

The point about Molnar was made but not explained very much. To speculate, Molnar apparently has a lot of influence on who was offered and for what position. We know have evidence of two offers that were strongly influenced by Molnar. Westerkamp said, essentially, that he was only offered now that Molnar was gone (Molnar cared too much about 40 speed, etc.). Now, Diaco is handling Fuller's recruitment, and not Molnar. And now, we are recruiting Fuller for the position he wants, QB.

Anyway, sorry for derailing the Kiel thread.

 

[beryirish]

Sorry if it has been posted already...


Tweet:

NDatRivals Kiel told the Star he'd hoped to make a decision last night while receiving the Mr. Football Trophy but "couldn't make a decision".

Said it will be a gut feeling.


I didn't feel so hot about him coming to ND when I read that tweet....IMO.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Staff is now showing a lot of interest in Devin Fuller as a QB (previously we only wanted him as a DB, but now we are talking with him about QB). Kid is an elite athlete -- top 50 player according to every service.

May mean the staff is looking beyond Gunner, but too soon to know.

It definitely means the staff is looking beyond Gunner.

It does not mean, however, that Gunner has chosen, anymore than our looking at Westerkamp implies that Payton has chosen.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Anyway, sorry for derailing the Kiel thread.

It's relevant.

 

[Dacian_Irish]

If Kiel does not go to ND Epitome has lost all credibility. This board went crazy for a 24 hour period.

 

[nin05]

The same guy who tweeted about Gunner announcing to LSU on Thursday just answered a guy asking for a source. His response was as follows:

"wouldn't look at is as much more than rumor right now. Students were chanting LSU, maybe they know where he's going.. Maybe not"

So, he seems like he was just grabbing attention.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Did it say on ISD when we reached out to Fuller? I ask because it is a dead period right now and the only contact allowed I believe is one phone call a week.

 

[magogian]

Did it say on ISD when we reached out to Fuller? I ask because it is a dead period right now and the only contact allowed I believe is one phone call a week.

Diaco came in December before the dead period.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Diaco came in December before the dead period.

Exactly what I thought.

 

[JughedJones]

I hate my life.

This really sucks.

I wish I wasn't obsessed with something that required awesome quarterbacks. Things would be easier.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

I hate my life.

This really sucks.

I wish I wasn't obsessed with something that required awesome quarterbacks. Things would be easier.

Step back from the ledge. Watch a Golson highlight.

 

[clashmore_mike]

He posted his phone number, I'm going to call him and ask him for any other recruiting info.

 

[Rocket89]

Reps,

I'm done with this as well.

Do I hope we get him? Hell yes

Like WildMan stated though, I'd be more upset if we lost Neal, Westerkamp, etc. simply because those guys are a bigger need

Really?

We already have a very good trio of Greenberry, Ferguson, and Brown. You'd be more upset if we lost out on a fourth or fifth receiver in the class instead of the top quarterback in the country?

That has to be a defensive mechanism talking, right?

I don't think Kiel is coming, but it would hurt a lot more than Neal and Westy---who are fine players for sure---but not as elite as Kiel nor play the all-important position of QB.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

He posted his phone number, I'm going to call him and ask him for any other recruiting info.

Dude you are killing me right now, hahaha.

But yes I saw the tweet before his "breaking news," he tweeted at LSUFreek and told him to call him and gave his phone number because he had HUGE recruiting news.

I guess LSUFreek wouldn't call so he said **** it and posted it himself.

 

[NDinFL]

Really?

We already have a very good trio of Greenberry, Ferguson, and Brown. You'd be more upset if we lost out on a fourth or fifth receiver in the class instead of the top quarterback in the country?

That has to be a defensive mechanism talking, right?

I don't think Kiel is coming, but it would hurt a lot more than Neal and Westy---who are fine players for sure---but not as elite as Kiel nor play the all-important position of QB.

Yes, really

It's not a defense mechanism, it's an observation mechanism

This season, outside of Floyd and Eifert, who was our leading receiver?

Here's the kicker.... Floyd is GONE next year, so that leaves us with.....? (unproven commodities)

As WildMan stated, and I agree with, Hendy/Golson could be really damn good, so even if we don't land Kiel, it's not like we have some worthless QB we have to fall back on

 

[woolybug25]

Here's the kicker.... Floyd is GONE next year, so that leaves us with.....? (unproven commodities)

As WildMan stated, and I agree with, Hendy/Golson could be really damn good, so even if we don't land Kiel, it's not like we have some worthless QB we have to fall back on

I would argue that we are in the same position with QB as in WR. We had Floyd this year and are losing him, but we need a game breaking QB just as much as another WR. Behind Floyd we have limited playing time and unknowns, but we have the same with Hendrix/Golson at QB. We need upgrades in both, but with WR, we have Daniels from last class and Greenberry in this class. Both of which are highly regarded. At QB, we hope Golson can be that guy, but he is no more proven than Daniels at WR.

We need game changing player depth at the most important positions. Right now, our most important position (QB) is lacking in it.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Dude you are killing me right now, hahaha.

But yes I saw the tweet before his "breaking news," he tweeted at LSUFreek and told him to call him and gave his phone number because he had HUGE recruiting news.

I guess LSUFreek wouldn't call so he said **** it and posted it himself.

I called and got no answer. His voice mail message just says "Southeast Recruiting Analyst Gino Joubert"


Gino Joubert (sassafrasdrifters) on Myspace

lolololololololololol myspace profile

 

[Chamellion]

I would argue that we are in the same position with QB as in WR. We had Floyd this year and are losing him, but we need a game breaking QB just as much as another WR. Behind Floyd we have limited playing time and unknowns, but we have the same with Hendrix/Golson at QB. We need upgrades in both, but with WR, we have Daniels from last class and Greenberry in this class. Both of which are highly regarded. At QB, we hope Golson can be that guy, but he is no more proven than Daniels at WR.

We need game changing player depth at the most important positions. Right now, our most important position (QB) is lacking in it.

I thought the most popular player on the team was always the Backup QB. Apparently he isn't for you.

We have a man in the mold of Tebow (Hendrix. He has a similar body type and running style. Not nearly as skilled and isn't the Child of God). He was a 4 star QB. But yeah, I know what you're saying in that he doesn't have the ability to be a game changer.

 

[woolybug25]

I thought the most popular player on the team was always the Backup QB. Apparently he isn't for you.

We have a man in the mold of Tebow (Hendrix. He has a similar body type and running style. Not nearly as skilled and isn't the Child of God). He was a 4 star QB. But yeah, I know what you're saying in that he doesn't have the ability to be a game changer.

Well, don't get me wrong, I like both Hendrix and Golson. But neither has a tremendous amount of experience and neither can be counted on to be the next great Notre Dame QB. Either of them could very well end up being that guy, but we need top QB prospects right now just as much (maybe more) as top WR prospects. Because both positions are filled with unknown commodities. Getting the best QB recruit in the country certainly will press both guys to become great or find the bench.

Furthermore, I am a firm believer that there is no more of an important position on a football team than the QB.

 

[NDinFL]

I would argue that we are in the same position with QB as in WR. We had Floyd this year and are losing him, but we need a game breaking QB just as much as another WR. Behind Floyd we have limited playing time and unknowns, but we have the same with Hendrix/Golson at QB. We need upgrades in both, but with WR, we have Daniels from last class and Greenberry in this class. Both of which are highly regarded. At QB, we hope Golson can be that guy, but he is no more proven than Daniels at WR.

We need game changing player depth at the most important positions. Right now, our most important position (QB) is lacking in it.

I agree with you wooly. However, and it may be splitting hairs, but at least we've caught glimpses of Andrew's talent.

We haven't even seen what these young WR's can do (NOT to say I don't think they could be amazing)

I will say this though, it would be damn sweet to get Gunner, with his incredible talent, along with all of these young WR's so they could establish a repoire.

 

[Rocket89]

Yes, really

It's not a defense mechanism, it's an observation mechanism

This season, outside of Floyd and Eifert, who was our leading receiver?

Here's the kicker.... Floyd is GONE next year, so that leaves us with.....? (unproven commodities)

As WildMan stated, and I agree with, Hendy/Golson could be really damn good, so even if we don't land Kiel, it's not like we have some worthless QB we have to fall back on

I would probably agree with you if we didn't have a stud like Greenberry, plus two other very good receivers already in the fold as of right now.

Now if it was lose Greenberry versus picking up Kiel---I'm not sure I'm down with that.

Greenberry is THE stud of maybe the whole class and is about as good of a freshman as you can get to replace Floyd.

I don't look at it like Greenberry+Ferguson+Brown+Neal=suddenly replacing Floyd, while Greenberry+Ferguson+Brown=definitely not replacing Floyd.

Especially when you're looking short-term.

And I think Hendrix/Golson are going to be very good too, but with Crist out of the picture and question marks around Rees, the QB depth certainly isn't great.

I've also advocated taking 5 or 6 receivers in this class, because I do agree we need the depth (and better talent) there.

But still, I can't wrap my head around being more upset missing out on a couple very good receivers when we have Greenberry and two other very good ones already---versus missing out on the #1 QB at a much more important position in the grand scheme of things, while our depth is merely decent there.

 

[military_irish]

Well, don't get me wrong, I like both Hendrix and Golson. But neither has a tremendous amount of experience and neither can be counted on to be the next great Notre Dame QB. Either of them could very well end up being that guy, but we need top QB prospects right now just as much (maybe more) as top WR prospects. Because both positions are filled with unknown commodities. Getting the best QB recruit in the country certainly will press both guys to become great or find the bench.

Furthermore, I am a firm believer that there is no more of an important position on a football team than the QB.

Kiel is just as much an unknown as Hendrix and Golson. Even though Hendrix is getting more and more experience and has shown glimpses of what he can do.

With that said it would be a huge get if Kiel commits.

 

[Chamellion]

Well, don't get me wrong, I like both Hendrix and Golson. But neither has a tremendous amount of experience and neither can be counted on to be the next great Notre Dame QB. Either of them could very well end up being that guy, but we need top QB prospects right now just as much (maybe more) as top WR prospects. Because both positions are filled with unknown commodities. Getting the best QB recruit in the country certainly will press both guys to become great or find the bench.

Furthermore, I am a firm believer that there is no more of an important position on a football team than the QB.

I agree fully that people want to play with the #1 QB recruit. And it never hurts to get the best player in the country at any position any year, competition results in better quality of players.

All I'm saying is that a miss on Gunner wont leave the cupboard bare.

 

[NDinFL]

I would probably agree with you if we didn't have a stud like Greenberry, plus two other very good receivers already in the fold as of right now.

Now if it was lose Greenberry versus picking up Kiel---I'm not sure I'm down with that.

Greenberry is THE stud of maybe the whole class and is about as good of a freshman as you can get to replace Floyd.

I don't look at it like Greenberry+Ferguson+Brown+Neal=suddenly replacing Floyd, while Greenberry+Ferguson+Brown=definitely not replacing Floyd.

Especially when you're looking short-term.

And I think Hendrix/Golson are going to be very good too, but with Crist out of the picture and question marks around Rees, the QB depth certainly isn't great.



I've also advocated taking 5 or 6 receivers in this class, because I do agree we need the depth (and better talent) there.

But still, I can't wrap my head around being more upset missing out on a couple very good receivers when we have Greenberry and two other very good ones already---versus missing out on the #1 QB at a much more important position in the grand scheme of things, while our depth is merely decent there.

Greenberry isn't even on campus yet....

Davaris hasn't even played

I understand and believe in these young guys potential, but in-game experience is important. (which is why if we lost Westerkamp, Neal, Agholor, etc... It'd be more important to me IMO)

Correlating this to Gunner...

We have 1 proven commodity at QB in Tommy (for better or for worse)

Hendrix has gotten some valuable in-game experience and has made an impression.

The cupboards aren't bare at QB. Our WR core is a lot more unproven

Disclaimer: in no way, shape, or form am I saying that I don't want Gunner!

 

[woolybug25]

Greenberry isn't even on campus yet....

Davaris hasn't even played

I understand and believe in these young guys potential, but in-game experience is important. (which is why if we lost Westerkamp, Neal, Agholor, etc... It'd be more important to me IMO)

Correlating this to Gunner...

We have 1 proven commodity at QB in Tommy (for better or for worse)

Hendrix has gotten some valuable in-game experience and has made an impression.

The cupboards aren't bare at QB. Our WR core is a lot more unproven

Disclaimer: in no way, shape, or form am I saying that I don't want Gunner!

We have Theo, TJ, Toma, etc all with game experience. Just like we have Tommy and limited Hendrix at QB. I would say those are pretty similar in experience, shown ability and potential. We need to improve at both, but we have Daniels, Greenberry, Chris Brown, Farley and possibly Agholor, Neal, Westerkamp and Payton coming in for WR's.

Our only future QB depth is Golson and Hendrix. We need some more highly talented guys to compete for the QB job.

 

[Rocket89]

Greenberry isn't even on campus yet....

Davaris hasn't even played

I understand and believe in these young guys potential, but in-game experience is important. (which is why if we lost Westerkamp, Neal, Agholor, etc... It'd be more important to me IMO)

Correlating this to Gunner...

We have 1 proven commodity at QB in Tommy (for better or for worse)

Hendrix has gotten some valuable in-game experience and has made an impression.

The cupboards aren't bare at QB. Our WR core is a lot more unproven

Disclaimer: in no way, shape, or form am I saying that I don't want Gunner!

We seem to agree mostly, but I was basically challenging your assertion that losing out on Westerkamp or Neal would hurt more than losing Kiel.

It's Kiel or bust for us at QB (for now), and we'll have to keep Massa at QB just to field a backup for one of the spring game teams.

If Kiel was a very good 4-star prospect or less, I wouldn't be as worried. But he's a consensus top 2 QB in the country---you don't want to miss out on these types of potential difference makers.

 

[NDinFL]

We seem to agree mostly, but I was basically challenging your assertion that losing out on Westerkamp or Neal would hurt more than losing Kiel.

It's Kiel or bust for us at QB (for now), and we'll have to keep Massa at QB just to field a backup for one of the spring game teams.

If Kiel was a very good 4-star prospect or less, I wouldn't be as worried. But he's a consensus top 2 QB in the country---you don't want to miss out on these types of potential difference makers.

Totally agree on the last part. When a top prospect QB wants to come to your school, you definently get him.

Just think that with Theo possibly flexing from RB to WR on occasion, the loss of Floyd, and how we haven't really had anyone, save Eifert, step up; that we need WR's

It really is 6 one way half a dozen the other, though