'12 CA CB Marcus Rios (UCLA Verbal)

[Ironman8]

I still think it's dirty to do a kid like that. I guess at least they called, but it's still rude to cancel like that regardless of there being a reason.

So is there anyway he can get like an online credit for his foreign language before the EE date?

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. With the amount of travel our staff is already logging, why would Cooks fly all the way out to see a workout that no longer affects ND in any pressing manner once it was discovered that Marcus did not have the requirements to EE. You are doing Kerry and his family "dirty" by sending him out there on a such a fool's errand. It's a similiar situation to Byron Marshall - No foreign language, no ND. It's that simple. If Marcus really wants to come to ND he will have to wait until the summer to enroll. If his heart is set on being an EE, ND is no longer an option, and neither side should waste significant time or resources so they get a more personable goodbye. A phone call is quite appropriate here.

 

[Riddickulous]

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. With the amount of travel our staff is already logging, why would Cooks fly all the way out to see a workout that no longer affects ND in any pressing manner once it was discovered that Marcus did not have the requirements to EE. You are doing Kerry and his family "dirty" by sending him out there on a such a fool's errand. It's a similiar situation to Byron Marshall - No foreign language, no ND. It's that simple. If Marcus really wants to come to ND he will have to wait until the summer to enroll. If his heart is set on being an EE, ND is no longer an option, and neither side should waste significant time or resources so they get a more personable goodbye. A phone call is quite appropriate here.

Well said.

 

[BeauBenken]

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. With the amount of travel our staff is already logging, why would Cooks fly all the way out to see a workout that no longer affects ND in any pressing manner once it was discovered that Marcus did not have the requirements to EE. You are doing Kerry and his family "dirty" by sending him out there on a such a fool's errand. It's a similiar situation to Byron Marshall - No foreign language, no ND. It's that simple. If Marcus really wants to come to ND he will have to wait until the summer to enroll. If his heart is set on being an EE, ND is no longer an option, and neither side should waste significant time or resources so they get a more personable goodbye. A phone call is quite appropriate here.

From what I understood we've had guys out there all week. My point is that you don't call someone when their mom dies. Face to face is just always a better, polite, respectable way to break bad news.

 

[Riddickulous]

From what I understood we've had guys out there all week. My point is that you don't call someone when their mom dies. Face to face is just always a better, polite, respectable way to break bad news.

This is a very busy recruiting period. A face-to-face meeting would be a massive waste of time for all involved.

 

[Ndaccountant]

This is a very busy recruiting period. A face-to-face meeting would be a massive waste of time for all involved.

I don't know what you are talking about. I would much rather a coach tell him face to face why he isn't going to watch the workout rather than visit guys like Adams and Payton

 

[BeauBenken]

I understand. It's all business. I don't need the sarcasm like I'm an idiot for believing in courtesy.

Couldn't they have called him earlier though? I just feel like you have this kid who has kept his eye on the present under the tree for the past weeks and then Christmas morning he wakes up and the present is gone from under the tree with a note that says, "Sorry, kid, but you didn't qualify."

All I'm saying is that I believe it could have been handled better than a phone call an hour before the workout.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

From what I understood we've had guys out there all week. My point is that you don't call someone when their mom dies. Face to face is just always a better, polite, respectable way to break bad news.

So you're comparing the magnitude of telling someone their mother died to telling them you won't be there for their workout? It's a bit of a stretch. And I agree, this staff is maxed no need to waste time for all parties involved. Ironman nailed it.

 

[NDdomer2]

What I don't understand is wouldn't they have known he didn't take a foreign language WAY before. I mean he called us says he is interested and wants to EE shouldn't one of the first questions be have you taken any foreign language courses? "No", ok well good luck.

 

[Irishnuke]

From what I understood we've had guys out there all week. My point is that you don't call someone when their mom dies. Face to face is just always a better, polite, respectable way to break bad news.

I've read your posts before and you don't seem to be a complete dumbass. If I hadn't read your posts before, I would think otherwise after reading this retarded comment. You're comparing a coach cancelling his trip to watch a workout to someone telling you that the person that gave birth to you has died. Seriously, do better next time.

 

[koonja]

It's not like we pulled his scholarship. Worse things have happened. Let this play out and we'll see what happens.

 

[IrishLax]

From what I understood we've had guys out there all week. My point is that you don't call someone when their mom dies. Face to face is just always a better, polite, respectable way to break bad news.

You're one of my favorite posters here, so I'll cut you a break.

But I just want to make sure you realize that you just equivocated consoling a personal friend/loved one over the death of their mother... to calling a recruit and saying he needs an additional language credit. I seriously question your analogy in this instance.

As far as my other feelings, post #271 by Ironman says it perfectly. Some of the comments on here are mind blowing in how they make ridiculous inferences despite a total lack of information only to be refuted by facts/common sense/logic... and yet I haven't seen the people who made these outrageous statements back pedal in the least. Crazy. I was expecting something like "Oh woups, maybe I shouldn't have spouted off a bunch of libelous hogwash for no reason. My bad." and instead it's "Ah f*ck it, my point still stands!! VIVA LA INTERNET BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER SAY THIS TO THE COACH'S FACE!!"

 

[BeauBenken]

Lmao. Alright, perhaps my "mother dying" analogy was a bit of a stretch, but CLEARLY Rios is wanting to come here, and he has to be bummed when he thinks he may be getting a scholarship when the coaches come to see him workout and then an hour beforehand they call him and say he can not EE which has been his plan the entire time. They also cancel watching his practice which makes it seem like they're giving up on him.

Why didn't they figure out earlier that he didn't have credits necessary to EE when that was his plan all along? I know it may not be a instant process or anything, but there's no way it should have took til one hour before his workout or right before they left to go see him.

If you go back, I wasn't even calling out the coaches. I just thought it was sort of rude and could have been handled better.

I'm just bummed for Rios, I guess.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

I could have articulated something like that sentiment Beau, but decided against it since our (very good) sources of information don't give us every little detail. It certainly doesn't look good. I was erring on the side of the staff being professional as opposed to assuming things were handled poorly.

More assuring is the mature way Marcus seems to be handling the situation. He's cognisant we have our own boards and this foreign language requirement in all likelihood means he would not be an early enrollee.

It's hard not to like great young people like Marcus and pull for them. Guilty as charged.

 

[BeauBenken]

Because our coaches aren't admissions people. And our admissions people just got his stuff to look at a couple days ago. This situation is quite similar to Byron Marshall who was recruited hard before it became clear he wasn't going to have the coursework to qualify... and our staff had to drop him.

That's two 4 players now in positions of need we have passed on for coursework requirements. Makes you wonder if those "academic standards" people have a point....

It takes someone in the admissions office two days to look at someone's credits though? (Of course that may be the case, you would know better than I since you've gone through and worked with the system.) I'm not trying to blame anyone in particular, but through this process someone didn't do their job as fast as they should have in my opinion.

Then again, had Rios contacted the staff earlier in the recruiting process this whole thing might be figured out. I guess it's like Rios said to PANDFAN, "right place, right time." Everyone unfortunately seems to have been in the right place, but at the wrong time.

 

[jimmymac]

Let's be honest here. This is the University of Notre Dame, and we have restrictions. As fans, as coaches, everyone knows those restrictions. At the same time, these requirements have SERIOUSLY dropped over the past couple of years. To yell and blame the admissions office I think is immature; I understand the frustrations, and I am just as frustrated. But they have reallllly let a lot slide with this years class, but as well as last years class. Not to point fingers or name names, but look at the guys we got in this past year and try to find their SAT or ACT score. I guarantee, well I guess I cant really guarantee but I strongly believe that those scores for a few of those players would not have gotten them in to ND without serious help from the admissions office, and lowering their standerds.

 

[woolybug25]

I have to catch up on the last few pages, but let me take a shot at this. We are backing off because he hasn't taken a foreign language, correct?

If that is indeed the situation, I don't fault ND admissions for that. One (or even two, if that is what the ND min is) is not a lot to ask for. Frankly, I agree with others that are shocked that he can graduate high school at all without taking at least one foreign language class. I am proud that ND doesn't just take any thug off of the streets (I AM IN NO WAY IMPLYING THAT RIOS IS A THUG, HE SEEMS QUITE THE CONTRARY) that barely graduate. Our players are student athletes. If that means we miss out on kids that don't take basic classes like a foreign language, then so be it.

Now to Rios, if he truly wants to go to ND, then he will take the credits and enroll in fall. If he is dead set on early enrolling somewhere, then I wish him the best of luck.

 

[ryno 24]

I wanted this kid a lot as well but I respect our academic standards. As someone who did not get into Notre Dame and then could not transfer because I did not have the correct classes in. I understand Marcus' predicament but once again we do not let everyone in for a reason.

Disclaimer: I believe this kid is very intelligent and I'm saying probably the only reason he did not get in was because of class schedule.

 

[magogian]

Backkkkkkkk to Rios. He seems like a great kid. We will probably learn more in the coming days. When all is said and done, I hope he meets the requirements and receives an offer.

 

[irishff1014]

First of all, I was referring to kids who can't get past admissions.

However, if you think that 'graduating' means that much, you're fooling yourself. I have many friends who graduated with GPAs around 3.4 to 3.5 who are still looking for jobs. How many of those 96% do you think has a GPA over 3.4 (besides the walk-ons)?

But this is a problem every where. i bet at least 60% of college students that have graduated in the last 3 years have a job in something other then what they went to school for and thats due to the bad economy. And the ones that do have jobs are probably in the medical field.

 

[DillonHall]

But this is a problem every where. i bet at least 60% of college students that have graduated in the last 3 years have a job in something other then what they went to school for and thats due to the bad economy. And the ones that do have jobs are probably in the medical field.

I think the problem is that too many kids do well enough to graduate and enter the job force but in reality have very mediocre grades, making them unattractive to employers.

The original point I was making is that graduation rates don't mean that much. It's the other schools with low rates that are doing something wrong; we're just doing what we should be doing (and it's still not good enough to get graduates jobs). BTW, let's post this somewhere else.

 

[koonja]

Latest on four-star CB Marcus Rios

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Latest on four-star CB Marcus Rios

Still hearing from us regularly, and still considering ND, but no offer. Nothing new really.

 

[rtrn2glory]

if he wants to EE we're not in it...if he truly wants to come here he'll have to wait

 

[Irish Fam]

It really sucks that the EE thing didn't work out. We need quality DBs and soon. Hope he is willing to wait til summer.

 

[koonja]

Has he ever been to Notre Dame? If not, I wonder why they don't set up a visit just to keep him interested while we sort out the class. You can OV for a recruit that you haven't offered.

 

[Big23Head]

Has he ever been to Notre Dame? If not, I wonder why they don't set up a visit just to keep him interested while we sort out the class. You can OV for a recruit that you haven't offered.

Believe he is supposed to be on campus this weekend

 

[PANDFAN]

Has he ever been to Notre Dame? If not, I wonder why they don't set up a visit just to keep him interested while we sort out the class. You can OV for a recruit that you haven't offered.

no

Believe he is supposed to be on campus this weekend

at last when i talked w/ him last week he first had to make the decision if he was going to ee somewhere else or take the lang class....i am checking in w/ him today so hopefully he has come to a decision...as of fri he hadn't made up his mind...because he doesn't have an offer and would miss out altogether ee at another school

 

[Rhode Irish]

I hope they extend an offer that is contingent on him getting his language requirements taken care of. Would hate to see him pass up other opportunities because he wants to come to ND, then get left out in the cold. Put the ball in his court: take care of the requirement and you can come play at ND. I really like this kid and hope they can find a way to make it work.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

I hope they extend an offer that is contingent on him getting his language requirements taken care of. Would hate to see him pass up other opportunities because he wants to come to ND, then get left out in the cold. Put the ball in his court: take care of the requirement and you can come play at ND. I really like this kid and hope they can find a way to make it work.

I totally agree with you. He seems like a great kid. I really would Love to have him.

 

[PANDFAN]

ND is visiting tomorrow...let you guys know more tomorrow