'12 SC WR Chris Brown (Notre Dame Man)

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Actually might mean no room for Bryce Treggs... Brown (supposedly) is slated for slot. But like all players, who knows where they end up when they actually step foot on campus.

I'd be willing to bet that if Treggs and Nelson want to come to ND, there will be a spot. I don't think they'll wait around for Treggs, but if this weekend goes well and he wants to flip, then I have to believe they'll take him. We all know Nelson has a spot come NSD regardless of the numbers.

Unrelated to your comment...

I'm not sure why so many people are surprised by this. Mr. Brown made it very clear that they were solid with ND and that it was a SC slant in those papers trying to make them look bad. I'm happy they'll be in town to see a great game.
 

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I wouldn't agree with that but understand your intent

Haha! Yes, certainly not from your stand point, but the fact that your family is willing to make the trip on your own dime speaks volumes. I'm hoping Chris gets along splendidly with his future teammates and that he can start recruiting other guys like a lot of them have been doing!
 

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Haha! Yes, certainly not from your stand point, but the fact that your family is willing to make the trip on your own dime speaks volumes. I'm hoping Chris gets along splendidly with his future teammates and that he can start recruiting other guys like a lot of them have been doing!

Haha!!! I agree....I have no doubt that Chris will get along with the other guys. He is a good kid and extremly humbled. I wish they had a Frequent Driver's Program because I could cash in my miles now and retire. Haha!!! The whole entire experience was well worth it though. The whole recruiting ordeal needs major overhaul though. I won't bore you with my experiences but take care and GOD Bless!
 

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Haha!!! I agree....I have no doubt that Chris will get along with the other guys. He is a good kid and extremly humbled. I wish they had a Frequent Driver's Program because I could cash in my miles now and retire. Haha!!! The whole entire experience was well worth it though. The whole recruiting ordeal needs major overhaul though. I won't bore you with my experiences but take care and GOD Bless!

We all spend an inordinate amount of time following recruiting here, Mr. Brown. I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say we'd love to hear your thoughts on the process.
 

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Haha!!! I agree....I have no doubt that Chris will get along with the other guys. He is a good kid and extremly humbled. I wish they had a Frequent Driver's Program because I could cash in my miles now and retire. Haha!!! The whole entire experience was well worth it though. The whole recruiting ordeal needs major overhaul though. I won't bore you with my experiences but take care and GOD Bless!

Awesome stuff...

Thank you for taking the time to post!

God Bless and Go Irish!!
 

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Haha!!! I agree....I have no doubt that Chris will get along with the other guys. He is a good kid and extremly humbled. I wish they had a Frequent Driver's Program because I could cash in my miles now and retire. Haha!!! The whole entire experience was well worth it though. The whole recruiting ordeal needs major overhaul though. I won't bore you with my experiences but take care and GOD Bless!

We all spend an inordinate amount of time following recruiting here, Mr. Brown. I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say we'd love to hear your thoughts on the process.

Indeed.. and congrats on joining the Notre Dame tradition!
 

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Haha!!! I agree....I have no doubt that Chris will get along with the other guys. He is a good kid and extremly humbled. I wish they had a Frequent Driver's Program because I could cash in my miles now and retire. Haha!!! The whole entire experience was well worth it though. The whole recruiting ordeal needs major overhaul though. I won't bore you with my experiences but take care and GOD Bless!

It gets kind of slow after signing day. So, I am thinking a thread that discusses it would be the most popular of the off season. I know most of us would love to have the attention hurled on us like Chris has had, but not much thought has been given about ALL of the negatives that go with it. Not saying that like I have a y clue, just a guess. A Division II school called me and offered. And I jumped on it.

Ce to think of it, Coach Wallace (my future Head Coach) called me collect. Hahahaha
 

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We all spend an inordinate amount of time following recruiting here, Mr. Brown. I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say we'd love to hear your thoughts on the process.

I was going to say this last night, but I was afraid to clutter the thread. (So I messaged him instead.)

I'll let him respond though because I don't want to jumble his thoughts and words.
 
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Mr. Brown, thanks soo much for becoming a member here @ Irish Envy....I'm not going to lie, I follow recruiting as best I can, and I don't know a whole lot about your son. That doesn't make me any less excited about him (and your family) joining the Irish family, though, one thing I remember from my playing days is that you can't teach size and speed, and Chris certainly seems to have both of them. Good luck on your trip to South Bend this weekend, and God bless all of you. GO IRISH!!
 

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I was going to say this last night, but I was afraid to clutter the thread. (So I messaged him instead.)

I'll let him respond though because I don't want to jumble his thoughts and words.

If I could change anything it would be to add objectivity to the ratings process. Believe it or not, the way kids are rated is exclusively subjective and no standardized criteria is used. That needs to be changed because there are a great deal of kids no being seen due to this unfair system. 1 star or 5 star..... What's the difference.....really? Help me understand ....
 

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If I could change anything it would be to add objectivity to the ratings process. Believe it or not, the way kids are rated is exclusively subjective and no standardized criteria is used. That needs to be changed because there are a great deal of kids no being seen due to this unfair system. 1 star or 5 star..... What's the difference.....really? Help me understand ....

This all depends on the service you use. For example, Rivals uses a system based on how they think a player will translate to the NFL (which makes no sense, even according to Warchant.com's Gene Williams and Michael Langston). They do not go to all the games, as Rivals in particular has got rid of a lot of local scouts. Don't pay attention to Rivals anymore, they're crap. On the other hand, 24/7 is mostly comprised of former Rivals guys and is very accurate.

You should really just ignore the ratings system for the most part, it'll only make you upset. For example, Alice Lynch was pretty upset about Aaron not getting his fifth star, even though he dominated the A.A. game.
 

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Mr. Brown, thanks soo much for becoming a member here @ Irish Envy....I'm not going to lie, I follow recruiting as best I can, and I don't know a whole lot about your son. That doesn't make me any less excited about him (and your family) joining the Irish family, though, one thing I remember from my playing days is that you can't teach size and speed, and Chris certainly seems to have both of them. Good luck on your trip to South Bend this weekend, and God bless all of you. GO IRISH!!

Thanks for the kind words!!! You guys are the best.
 

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This all depends on the service you use. For example, Rivals uses a system based on how they think a player will translate to the NFL (which makes no sense, even according to Warchant.com's Gene Williams and Michael Langston). They do not go to all the games, as Rivals in particular has got rid of a lot of local scouts. Don't pay attention to Rivals anymore, they're crap. On the other hand, 24/7 is mostly comprised of former Rivals guys and is very accurate.

You should really just ignore the ratings system for the most part, it'll only make you upset. For example, Alice Lynch was pretty upset about Aaron not getting his fifth star, even though he dominated the A.A. game.


I really don't let things get to me, but I hate fixed decks. A great deal of kids are losing out on offers due to the ratings game. I have written just about all of the sites and none could provide me with an objective criteria used to rate players. But thanks for the post
 

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I really don't let things get to me, but I hate fixed decks. A great deal of kids are losing out on offers due to the ratings game. I have written just about all of the sites and none could provide me with an objective criteria used to rate players. But thanks for the post

This is exactly why it's crucial to have a staff who is relentless, diligent, and are all top-quality talent evaluators. There are way too many high school kids for any service to accurately "rate." It's not fair. It probably will never be. The most important part is that a coach sees the athlete, is able to give a fair evaluation, and feels he fits that system and can be developed into a better player and person. The star ratings are probably more for the paying fans. That's my opinion anyways.
 

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I have no real wisdom on this, but it seems to me that several things are evident [out of which one would build a hypothesis]:

1). These "services" are businesses. They are ,therefore, trying to produce a product which someone will buy. They have only two potential customers: a). football lovers wanting "insider" information; and b). football programs wanting something which might help their recruiting process.

2). The actual football programs probably don't pay much if any attention to these services. Frank Beamer's staff told me and my brother that they don't pay any attention to them at all. This makes sense in every conceivable way. The coaching staffs are seriously involved professionals who are usually good at talent-evaluation and who would never trust an "outside" scout [as that would be what these people represent] to make any of their conclusions for them.

I believe that there would only be two ways that the recruiting services could influence college teams: a). once in a Blue Moon an assistant coach might hear about some player first by reading something there, or more likely read that some power program is recruiting someone off their radar; or b). occasionally have to answer an irritating and ignorant question from some reporter as to why the team is not recruiting some high-star player, or did recruit a low-star one. [We have people post on this board who present such "objections" all the time].

3). This leaves the "function" of these businesses as "entertainment" not "science", as they go about constructing their fantasy ratings for public consumption. Since they are in competition with one another [just like the myriad pre-season football magazines], it is incumbent upon them to produce a ratings list which at least seems vaguely in concert with reality. But, with thousands of athletes out there, how to do it?

Every ratings service must have an unpublished [deliberately in-house] procedure that they pursue every year. It must include elements which have worked for them in the past [i.e. have created ratings lists which people are willing to take seriously --- not coaching staffs, just media people and "us"]. Those lists must result in SOME correlation to who actually gets signed by power programs and who [lesser so] ultimately succeeds in actual college and pro play.

The first criterion is more important for the ratings services than the second, as it is the only one which the public will actually remember. To accomplish that, these services must do two things: a). watch the power programs very carefully. WHO is recruiting WHO? Realizing this shows us that the relationship between the rating services and the college teams is exactly the opposite of what some think: It is the staffs who "create" the ratings systems lists, not the lists which create the staff recruiting targets. This is the only reason why rating service stars somewhat relate to team success --- it is the staffs of those programs who have actually done the "rating" within their own war-rooms, not the services.

And, to supplement that: b). be established in all the HS "hot-bed" areas so as to be able to talk to coaches [and even local media] of power football-factory programs about who's good, and who is recruiting them early. This is where having your employees scattered about like a major league baseball team used to do comes in. Each one of these "scouts" may even have a regional quota to deliver. Naturally this system of product production will leave historically less athlete-producing areas unrecognized.

Soft hypothetical addition: once certain already-being-recruited players are targeted, certain "measurables" are then added in a standard description of the player, and certain amounts of deductive BS added ["this player reminds me of X", etc]. Voila!! We have a pseudo-scientific product, they sell advertising, everyone begins analyzing and arguing about it interminably, and people become either happy as clams or mad as h*ll over something that is actually meaningless to real football staffs.

Well, OK, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.
 

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Re-reading that: I see a possible misinterpretation. My comments on the staffs "creating" the ratings refers to the idea that merely by recruiting a certain player, the staff of a power school has alerted the systems to focussing on that player. If several power programs are recruiting that player, the influence is to see that player as higher-starred by the services. Staffs don't issue stars of course; they'd see that as childish. And staffs aren't rating huge quantities of athletes; only the ones that have come to their attention and whom they have personally scouted.
 

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2). The actual football programs probably don't pay much if any attention to these services. Frank Beamer's staff told me and my brother that they don't pay any attention to them at all. This makes sense in every conceivable way. The coaching staffs are seriously involved professionals who are usually good at talent-evaluation and who would never trust an "outside" scout [as that would be what these people represent] to make any of their conclusions for them.

I believe that there would only be two ways that the recruiting services could influence college teams: a). once in a Blue Moon an assistant coach might hear about some player first by reading something there, or more likely read that some power program is recruiting someone off their radar; or b). occasionally have to answer an irritating and ignorant question from some reporter as to why the team is not recruiting some high-star player, or did recruit a low-star one. [We have people post on this board who present such "objections" all the time].

Good points. I would only squabble with No. 2. If you are a northern school and want to get an idea of the landscape in, say, Florida, I think it would be tremendously helpful to have the services gather the majority of names for you and give you rough rankings. It gives you a much more efficient way to start your process.
 

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well... the grass is green, the sky is blue, lindsay lohan in is jail, and old man mike has a great post
 

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I forgot to tell you guys but Chris was cleared to play. The doctor cleared him on yesterday. His game is tonight, so I will let you all know how he does. Take care all and God Bless the Fighting Irish!!!!
 

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I love when parents join the site. Thanks for everything Mr. Brown. Can't wait to see Chris in the blue n gold. Glad to hear he is healthy again and good luck to him tonight.
 

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I forgot to tell you guys but Chris was cleared to play. The doctor cleared him on yesterday. His game is tonight, so I will let you all know how he does. Take care all and God Bless the Fighting Irish!!!!
Thanks Mr. Brown. Could you also try and get some more video on Chris? The video we have now isn't very good.
 

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I forgot to tell you guys but Chris was cleared to play. The doctor cleared him on yesterday. His game is tonight, so I will let you all know how he does. Take care all and God Bless the Fighting Irish!!!!

I hope he tears it up! Have him start off this (what will be) awesome weekend right!
 

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I forgot to tell you guys but Chris was cleared to play. The doctor cleared him on yesterday. His game is tonight, so I will let you all know how he does. Take care all and God Bless the Fighting Irish!!!!

Great news. Let us know how he does. This should be a great couple of days for Chris and your family.
 
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