Butch Davis Out in UNC!

[NDFANnSouthWest]

What s*itty timing for the UNC program. The AD should be canned if he is the one that pulled the trigger now....right before start of camp? WTF?.

 

[tadman95]

Makes you wonder if something else came to light, at least internally, that was the final straw. Really figured he would get canned at the end of last season. You're right, the timing is incredible.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

This is all great and all.... But is Ben Koyack going to be any good?

 

[ndyeater]

too bad for UNC just when we all thought they were on the right track to be a contender in the ACC...o well

 

[BeauBenken]

This is all great and all.... But is Ben Koyack going to be any good?

 

[Riddickulous]

Now we wait for Mark Richt to have another subpar season at Georgia and then go all out for Marshall.

 

[pkt77242]

Now we wait for Mark Richt to have another subpar season at Georgia and then go all out for Marshall.

Don't talk like that then we will never get him . You need to be talking up Georgia.

 

[Riddickulous]

Don't talk like that then we will never get him . You need to be talking up Georgia.

...But then Marshall signs with Akron.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Everything is going the Zips way now.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Makes you wonder if something else came to light, at least internally, that was the final straw. Really figured he would get canned at the end of last season. You're right, the timing is incredible.

Great point, had not thought of that.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Everything is going the Zips way now.

Have I missed something?

 

[pkt77242]

Have I missed something?

Yes, the Zips are winning the next 7 national championships.

 

[Cali_domer]

This is great stuff! They are talking Meyer and Gruden.
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[BGIF]

Makes you wonder if something else came to light, at least internally, that was the final straw. Really figured he would get canned at the end of last season. You're right, the timing is incredible.

Could be. If so it will come to light as they go through the NCAA process.

I found the UNC Press Release a little unusual in the emphasis the Chancellor put on the hit the academic integrity of the UNIVERSITY was taking. UNC football GSR isn't among the top performers but it is probably head and shoulders above all but one SEC school. I'm wondering if the academic integrity comment was directed at the tutor situation. A number of schools, inculding ND, have run afoul of the NCAA with a rogue tutor. But in this case the tutor is supposed to be a close friend of the Davis family and according a ESPN report was on the Davis payroll. I didn't see any details on the arrangement, compensation, or timing. IF true that would be a more serious issue.

As for the timing, it may have been intentional. Yes, he could have been fired after the season but they were preparing an NCAA Hearing defense and they needed in input. Then coming National Signing Day. Why fire him at the 11th hour. The NCAA was hanging over the head and those kids were sticking with UNC. Fire Davie before NSD and you would lose some, ala OSU. IF you don't fire him right after NSD, a month later you're into Spring Ball. There goes another month off the clock. They may had thought if they fired him then they'd have a fecalstorm (IE censor software synonym) with the media come Media Days. So like the Whitehouse they wait until after the ACC Media Days to get past the "news cycle".

And now they walk into the NCAA hearing showing the positive control The Institution has exerted to protect the Intergity of UNC.

Or, as you said tadman something else popped up.

 

[BGIF]

This is great stuff! They are talking Meyer and Gruden.
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Leach!

He's tan, rested, and ready. (Providing he can get time off to finish suing his previous employer.)

 

[ACamp1900]

Mangino is out there too right???

 

[DANsanity15]

No way in hell Meyer even considers this job. I think a guy like Kirby Smart could be considered, Malzahn, Leach, maybe even Pat Fitzgerald. i don't think they can get a huge name although they have been pulling in solid recruit classes.....Ye Ol' Sweater Vest possibly?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Mangino is out there too right???

He's out... Went the route of WWE. Sorry dude.

 

[BGIF]

No way in hell Meyer even considers this job. I think a guy like Kirby Smart could be considered, Malzahn, Leach, maybe even Pat Fitzgerald. i don't think they can get a huge name although they have been pulling in solid recruit classes.....Ye Ol' Sweater Vest possibly?

Hiring Tressel BEFORE meeting with the NCAA would definitely demonstrate UNC's commitment to integrity.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Hiring Tressel BEFORE meeting with the NCAA would definitely demonstrate UNC's commitment to integrity.

LMAO....was thinking the same thing. A marriage made in heaven. Go from one scumbag to another. This scenario would only get better if Dennis Erickson threw his hat in the ring.... lol

 

[military_irish]

They need to get Davie or Willingham on the line, they can do great things. Maybe...

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

AD has resigned.

The housecleaning is in full effect.

 

[BeauBenken]

AD has resigned.

The housecleaning is in full effect.

Well, well, well...

Oh and I really like some of the things I read on their message board.

i say we throw it to whatever sacraficial lamb will take it this year, clean administrative house, then see what we can do when everyone gets serious about building a football program at the end of the season

Everyone was serious. U will never have a football program without athletes. You wont have athletes if you require students, blue chip players are not students

 

[BGIF]

Can't Find A UNC Press Release

Can't Find A UNC Press Release

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/07/28/****-baddour.ap/index.html?sct=cf_t2_a3

AP Story

A day after firing football coach Butch Davis, North Carolina also will start searching for a new athletic director.

**** Baddour said Thursday he plans to step down after 14 years as soon as the school can hire a replacement. Entering the final year of a three-year contract that expires next June, Baddour said it's important for his successor to name the next football coach instead of inheriting a hire.

"It is my responsibility to do what is in the best interest of the program, and this is my decision," Baddour said in a news conference to discuss Davis' firing a day earlier.

Chancellor Holden Thorp said Baddour will attend the school's hearing before the NCAA infractions committee in October, then serve out the rest of his contract in another position. Baddour took over in 1997 after John Swofford left to become commissioner of the Atlantic Coast Conference.

This was a push.

 

[ohara831]

Supposedly it has not caused any of the commits to back off and decommit. But it is early yet. They are likely waiting to see who is hired as the new HC. But I would be surprised if they get any new commits until a new HC is named. There is a lot of history and honor at that school. Guarantee you they are humiliated and shaken up at this point with what is happening there.

 

[BGIF]

Supposedly it has not caused any of the commits to back off and decommit. But it is early yet. They are likely waiting to see who is hired as the new HC. ...

They're also likely to be hoping for some offers. Have you checked their commit list?

Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2012 North Carolina Commitments

Rivals lists two 4 stars, seven 3 stars, one 2 stars, and a pair of NO stars in their class of 12. Some of them did commit early (#7OG Roinbette 3 offers) but most of them don't have many choices right now.

Meredith #12 TE has a bunch of offers. He has an ND offer but ND's not taking a TE at this point, right? He has a Clemson offer (14 verbals in '12 no TE) but they got 29 verbals including the #6 TE in '11. VT has 23 commits with the #35 TE (took 3 TE's last year but none above 3 Stars). Auburn's got 12 verbals and the #3 TE (took the #10 TE in '11). So. Carolina has 17 verbals including the #10 TE.

Bolting OSU to go to UM is one thing. Do you bolt UNC to go to ECU?

Some of these guys are getting calls probably from some big programs but I doubt many in July. Who's scrambling for a 3 star fill in at this point in the recruiting circle.

 

[BGIF]

A month ago it seemed strange that the UNC president would suddenly fire Davis before NCAA hearings while citing harm to the academic reputation of the institution. This may explain those actions.

Austin's UNC transcript raises questions - North Carolina - NewsObserver.com

8/21/11
BY DAN KANE - Staff writer

The typical path for a college student beginning his or her academic journey starts with introductory courses, followed by more specialized ones. That's why many colleges label classes as 100 level, 200 level and so on.

But a transcript for former UNC-Chapel Hill football player Marvin Austin shows his academic path got off to an unusual start. In a summer 2007 session just before his first full semester on campus, Austin took a 400 level class in African-American studies and received a B plus.

The class was taught by the same professor, Julius Nyang'oro, who did not catch a blatant case of plagiarism by another football player. And Austin got into the class despite having a score on the written portion of the SAT that was low enough that he needed to take a remedial writing class, which he took in the subsequent fall semester.

...

Missed plagiarism

Nyang'oro, the longtime chairman of UNC-CH's Department of African and Afro-American Studies, drew attention last month over a paper produced by a second football player for another 400-level summer session class. The paper for a Swahili class was submitted by defensive end Michael McAdoo, and had numerous examples of lifted passages from other sources. It was one of three papers McAdoo wrote for African studies classes that drew the attention of UNC-CH officials and NCAA investigators.

McAdoo also had been kicked off the team, partly for accepting improper academic help from a tutor. But when he sued to get back on the team and made the paper public in early July, rival N.C. State University fans quickly found the plagiarism, causing further embarrassment for UNC. Four weeks later, UNC-CH Chancellor Holden Thorp fired Davis and accepted the early retirement of athletic director **** Baddour

...

More at the link

 

[Old Man Mike]

We had these "islands-of-opportunity" for academic bums scattered all over WMU when I taught there. Psychology 101 was a mass cow cattle class "graded" by turning in papers for numbers of points. When you had accumulated a certain number of points you could quit paying any attention to it no matter when in the semester it was. Naturally, nothing said that it had to be YOU who created the papers you turned in. This remarkably cut down on the need to grade a lot of final exams --- most of your students were in the bars well before then.

On our campus, it was also true that "students" could cruise through their junior years in our "Criminal Justice" curriculum without ever having a coherent thought. I had some ... err ... astounding junior year CJs who had made the terrible error of taking one of my Gen-Ed classes. Their jaws dropped even before their eyelids did.

And etc. The point is, of course, that although good curricula exist in almost any major university, it will take no "Academic Counsellor genius" to locate these travesties, and construct easily navigable routes-to-eligibility through them. There will always be lousy, lazy, hack-brained professors at any big school. State universities are always loaded. I'd bet even Notre Dame has a slacker or two, but my experience of the University [and its faculty since] tells me that you probably have NO route through the school which offers brain-free advancement.

That is our advantage [for real life and growth] and our disadvantage [if we just wanted to field a team populated by going-nowhere meat-market foolish young men].

 

[IrishLax]

Hard to remember about these guys with all that is going on in Miami.

Watching ESPNU right with the Blueprint for Change panel... and it's crazy because Mark May just specifically called out UNC talking about the hiring of John Blake. They are talking about how certain assistant coaches everyone knows are dirty... yet they still get hired because head coaches want to be able to bury their heads in the sand and let them do the dirty work.

Anyways, Mark May goes on to say (paraphrasing) that all the coaches knew John Blake is dirty and by proxy the media knows he's dirty... in this case it cost Butch Davis his job, but in general there need to be hard set-in-stone penalties for a school/program/head coach if one of their assistants gets caught cheating and that might be the only way to discourage coaches from using guys like Blake in the future.

In other news, Ohio State, UNC and Oregon sure picked a good time to have NCAA problems.