'12 IL DT Tommy Schutt (Ohio State Verbal)

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‪Tommy Schutt - DL Glenbard West Football Highlights 2010‬‏ - YouTube

 

[Old Man Mike]

My opinions on these matters are always unpopular, but if it were up to me, and Tommy Shutt verballed, and Sheldon Day also then wanted to come, I'd yell "Hallelujah and Come on down!!".[even at the cost of a so-called skill player]. Why?? Schutt is rated #7 DT in the country by Scout, and Day is rated #9 and rising. Both sound elite to me. Also we will lose Cwynar and Hafis soon, and Stockton and Newman have not [yet] materialized as contributors. That [without conversions] would leave only Big Lou. Nix + Schutt + Day sounds pretty good to me. [but as I say, I'm always for loading up the Bigs on both sides of the ball].

 

[aubeirish]

My opinions on these matters are always unpopular, but if it were up to me, and Tommy Shutt verballed, and Sheldon Day also then wanted to come, I'd yell "Hallelujah and Come on down!!".[even at the cost of a so-called skill player]. Why?? Schutt is rated #7 DT in the country by Scout, and Day is rated #9 and rising. Both sound elite to me. Also we will lose Cwynar and Hafis soon, and Stockton and Newman have not [yet] materialized as contributors. That [without conversions] would leave only Big Lou. Nix + Schutt + Day sounds pretty good to me. [but as I say, I'm always for loading up the Bigs on both sides of the ball].

Especially since this past week-end. Everybody is raving about Day.

 

[IrishLax]

That's a fairly ignorant statement.

I'm not saying saying Penn State's academics are on par with Notre Dame's, but they are certainly above average. Being in the Big Ten--errr, CIC and being one of those huge research schools means they are certainly an above average school at the very least. Bowling Green is average. Penn State is not average.

As a football player, Penn State is one of the elite programs. On the lower end of being elite, but there are still one of the 10-15 perennial national powers. In the midwest, there undoubtedly one of the top schools. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame tend to run the show. Plus playing for JOE PATERNO probably does have some pull too. I don't care if he doesn't coach very much these days. A legend is a legend.

I also highly doubt, not that you said it, that the place smells like crap year-round.

You're arguing semantics and making a big deal out of nothing. There is nothing ignorant in what I'm saying.

In my view everyone from Chicago on up could be ranked "excellent" as they are truly in a league of their own, everyone in the Northwestern to roughly W&M range "above average" and everyone below that is "meh." It's like star rankings in recruits where the difference between the #1 guy and the #20 guy is often bigger than the difference between the #100 guy and the #300 guy. After awhile it all muddles together quite a bit and a lot of how "good" a school depends on things like what program you're in, etc.

Is Penn State a good school? Sure. It especially gets good marks for producing well-rounded kids from employers. I know because my brother went there largely because their career center is ranked awesome (and because it was easier to get into than UVa, W&M or Virginia Tech....) But in the Big Ten it ranks worse/equal with: Northwestern, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Illinois. 5 out of 12 is quite average. And it's within 10 spots of Ohio State and Purdue meaning it is quite on par with those schools. So 5th to 7th... in a 12 team conference. Average? I think so.

Same goes for tradition or relevancy or whatever. In the Big Ten you have Ohio State, Michigan and Nebraska that are all better football schools. 4th in your conference is quite average. And you could argue that Wisconsin is quite on par with them.

So yeah... if you're from Pennsylvania I totally get it. Even kids from New York because of the proximity and the lack of NY football schools. But let's not bullshit each other. Penn State is not great in anything... not academics, not football, not anything. So my word for "not great" is average. Sorry if that offends you for some reason.

So why would Tommy Schutt, Jarron Jones, Ishaq Williams, etc. want to go there? I think Ishaq and Jarron make some sense because Penn State is actually one of the closest schools you can go to and both play competitive football and get a good education. I mean what are the alternatives? Rutgers? Syracuse? Yeah, ok.

But Tommy Schutt? Wisconsin is quite close. Notre Dame is quite close. Michigan is pretty close. All have equal/better football and academics. Hell, even Ohio State is closer and has pretty comparable academics and better football (neither has a head coach of permanence...).

So I stand by my opinion that there really isn't anything special about PSU and for that reason I simply cannot understand what would pique the interest of a kid from Chicago like Tommy Schutt. It'd be a totally different situation if Joe Pad was more than a figurehead at Penn State. But everyone knows you're just going to play for a figurehead these days.

 

[Buster Bluth]

5 out of 12 is quite average

That's some seriously flawed logic in my opinion. When viewing all universities, they aren't average. That's like saying Cornell is average because they're not at the top of the Ivy League. Plus, as a "big state school" the student body will naturally have students from across the gamut of intelligence levels. There are a ton of very smart people there, and a ton of partying education majors (no offense). I just think it's a disservice to them to group them in with the schools that really are average.

In the Big Ten you have Ohio State, Michigan and Nebraska that are all better football schools. 4th in your conference is quite average. And you could argue that Wisconsin is quite on par with them.

Again, I think the logic is pretty flawed. In terms of the BCS teams, Penn State is near the top though. And I don't think you can say Michigan or Nebraska have had more recent success than Penn State. Penn State has won Big Ten championships recently, and Michigan hasn't beaten Penn State since 2007. I would say they're pretty even.



I don't mean to encourage the kid to becoming a Nittany Lion. I also think Notre Dame is one of the best schools a football player could go to (the only competition in my opinion is with Stanford). I just want us to give credit where credit is due and realize what we're up against in recruiting. We can't go around saying "oh that school is a joke" or "nothing special there" and incorrectly insulting everyone.

 

[koonja]

That's some seriously flawed logic in my opinion. When viewing all universities, they aren't average. That's like saying Cornell is average because they're not at the top of the Ivy League. Plus, as a "big state school" the student body will naturally have students from across the gamut of intelligence levels. There are a ton of very smart people there, and a ton of partying education majors (no offense). I just think it's a disservice to them to group them in with the schools that really are average.



Again, I think the logic is pretty flawed. In terms of the BCS teams, Penn State is near the top though. And I don't think you can say Michigan or Nebraska have had more recent success than Penn State. Penn State has won Big Ten championships recently, and Michigan hasn't beaten Penn State since 2007. I would say they're pretty even.



I don't mean to encourage the kid to becoming a Nittany Lion. I also think Notre Dame is one of the best schools a football player could go to (the only competition in my opinion is with Stanford). I just want us to give credit where credit is due and realize what we're up against in recruiting. We can't go around saying "oh that school is a joke" or "nothing special there" and incorrectly insulting everyone.

I don't usually use this phrase, in fact, I don't like it, but this! PSU has something to it, and it is in the upper-echelon of college football.

 

[rtrn2glory]

My opinions on these matters are always unpopular, but if it were up to me, and Tommy Shutt verballed, and Sheldon Day also then wanted to come, I'd yell "Hallelujah and Come on down!!".[even at the cost of a so-called skill player]. Why?? Schutt is rated #7 DT in the country by Scout, and Day is rated #9 and rising. Both sound elite to me. Also we will lose Cwynar and Hafis soon, and Stockton and Newman have not [yet] materialized as contributors. That [without conversions] would leave only Big Lou. Nix + Schutt + Day sounds pretty good to me. [but as I say, I'm always for loading up the Bigs on both sides of the ball].

you make mucho sense...if you look at the past 5 or so National Champs, they all have STUDS in the middle of the d line. Dominant defensive lineman can make average linebackers look great.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Just a question: Was this meant as a simile? Are you axing The Wooly Bully to refrain from contact in a similar way that you are expecting a restraining order for yourself?

I'm so confused and have nutting better to do right now.

Please Father God, Baby Jesus, Mary et al., save me from the English language.

:stickoutt

"As" can be used as a conjunction identical in meaning to "Considering that", "since", or "because".

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Let's say everything goes perfect and we get Tommy. What happens with Day then?

The staff is rumored to be recruiting Day more as a SDE- DT swing guy than as a NT. I personally think that if we land Day and miss on Schutt, he's still likely to get lots of reps at NT anyway. But it's good to know that he and Schutt probably wouldn't be in direct competition for PT.

 

[aubeirish]

The staff is rumored to be recruiting Day more as a SDE- DT swing guy than as a NT. I personally think that if we land Day and miss on Schutt, he's still likely to get lots of reps at NT anyway. But it's good to know that he and Schutt probably wouldn't be in direct competition for PT.

Thanks for the info. More talent on the DL is always welcome.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

My opinions on these matters are always unpopular, but if it were up to me, and Tommy Shutt verballed, and Sheldon Day also then wanted to come, I'd yell "Hallelujah and Come on down!!".[even at the cost of a so-called skill player]. Why?? Schutt is rated #7 DT in the country by Scout, and Day is rated #9 and rising. Both sound elite to me. Also we will lose Cwynar and Hafis soon, and Stockton and Newman have not [yet] materialized as contributors. That [without conversions] would leave only Big Lou. Nix + Schutt + Day sounds pretty good to me. [but as I say, I'm always for loading up the Bigs on both sides of the ball].

Amen. The comparisons of Day to Ian Williams seem legitimate to me; Williams, while a great player, didn't really have the frame to be an elite NT, and Day appears to have similar physical limitations.

But anytime the Defensive MVP of The Opening wants to join your program, you find room. As I mentioned just recently, if we pick up both Day and Schutt, I think Schutt becomes a 0- and -3 tech guy, while Day becomes a -3 and -5 tech guy; so they won't be in direct competition with each other.

 

[IrishLax]

That's some seriously flawed logic in my opinion. When viewing all universities, they aren't average. That's like saying Cornell is average because they're not at the top of the Ivy League. Plus, as a "big state school" the student body will naturally have students from across the gamut of intelligence levels. There are a ton of very smart people there, and a ton of partying education majors (no offense). I just think it's a disservice to them to group them in with the schools that really are average.

Ugggggggggggggggggh. Dude. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!!!!!! It's so sad because I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING but am pointing out that he has many equal/or better options that are closer, in the same conference, etc. etc. The point is that Penn State really doesn't have any discriminators for elite kids outside of Pennsylvania because those kids can get equal/better academics, football, etc. from a whole host of schools on their list. This is all in reference to Tommy Schutt, an elite prospect in Chicago with his choice of basically any school he wants.

It's not like his offer list is Penn State, Eastern Washington, and Auburn. In that case education would be a huge discriminator as Penn State is noticeably better than those schools. He has a choice of a ton of great academic schools where PSU falls in a middle ground. Academics certainly don't hurt them, but they also really don't help their case either compared to the schools he's considering.

Similar logic applies to football prowess, tradition, distance, etc. For Tommy Schutt, it's hard to understand what exactly about PSU would appeal to him over Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc. It just doesn't seem to stack up. For another Chicago area kid with offers from Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana and Penn State... Penn State's tradition and football talent certainly would be a big discriminator. But that's not the facts of this particular recruit.

And as this is his thread, we should focus on how all that applies to him, not the grand scheme of things.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Ugggggggggggggggggh.

Ok I can agree with that for the most part. Two things: why is he considering Penn State and what does he want to major in?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

"As" can be used as a conjunction identical in meaning to "Considering that", "since", or "because".

Hijo de la chingadatote ( I maked that word up).

 

[Ironman8]

Jake_Brown Jake Brown

Arrived at Glenbard West HS to meet with four-star DT Tommy Schutt. #NotreDame apparently very much in the mix. We'll see after the workout.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

"As" in this case is improperly employed.

Hijo de la chingadatote ( I just maked that palabra up), learn yourself some idioma.

LMAO!!! Doubt it if many get that word....

 

[Ben E.]

he is rather "zorich" like after watching his film. i was impressed with his ability to slow play the zone read and still make the tackle...pretty athletic for a "budha"!

 

[TerryTate]

Jake Brown from Rivals is at his school today. ND is apparently very much in the running.

 

[Irish2015]

When does he plan on announcing again?

 

[woolybug25]

he is rather "zorich" like after watching his film. i was impressed with his ability to slow play the zone read and still make the tackle...pretty athletic for a "budha"!

Right!?!

If anyone thinks my comparison is crazy or silly, I urge you to watch his tape. If you dont see Zorich in his play/looks, then that is a "you problem".

pfftt...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Right!?!

If anyone thinks my comparison is crazy or silly, I urge you to watch his tape. If you dont see Zorich in his play/looks, then that is a "you problem".

pfftt...

Does he have a mailbox? Zorich didn't!

 

[TerryTate]

When does he plan on announcing again?

Before his senior season.

Says his top 4 right now are ND, PSU, Wisconsin, and UF.

He's trying to get down to ND on Saturday

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Very encouraging to see he has a high level of interest and will be visiting this weekend. It's nice to have so many of the top DL guys taking a good hard look at us.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Before his senior season.

Says his top 4 right now are ND, PSU, Wisconsin, and UF.

He's trying to get down to ND on Saturday

No OSU or UM is VERY encouraging.

 

[Irish Man3]

OSU was very much in the mix before their debacle. They have not been mentioned in relation to Tommy since.

 

[OCIrish]

OSU was very much in the mix before their debacle. They have not been mentioned in relation to Tommy since.

I'd like to keep it that way, too.

 

[PigtownIrish]

UF seems like the outlier there in terms of close-to-homeness. Would sure love to beat out PSU again!

 

[OCIrish]

Anybody have any news on how his visit went this weekend or if he made it to South Bend aftter all?

 

[GBdomer]

Anybody have any news on how his visit went this weekend or if he made it to South Bend aftter all?

no update on him so far.

 

[OCIrish]

no update on him so far.

Thanks, GB.