Floyd Arrested

[Irish2015]

fuuck me sideways with a lunchbox

 

[IrishBlood81]

I don't know if this has been posted yet.

Floyd Suspended Indefinitely

Hasn't been posted yet and DAMN IT. Expected of Kelly but still sucks ..

 

[Old Man Mike]

Coach has done the right thing. He has also chosen his words carefully to indicate the priority of the law and the University in this decision to come, but also being open to the possibility that Michael might re-join the ND community and the Team sometime in the future.

 

[phgreek]

I don't know if this has been posted yet.

Floyd Suspended Indefinitely

Pretty much what I expected...Kelly deferring to Res. Life, but put a marker on the table that has to do with Mike proving some things to Kelly.

Beyond the judgment thing, I'm worried about Mike for obvious reasons. There are a couple of "bigger than football" issues here...

It would appear Mike will get the time and support to get it fixed, just based on Kelly's comments.

 

[NDFan4Life]

I don't know if this has been posted yet.

Floyd Suspended Indefinitely

I knew it was coming, but it still sucks to see it.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

not everyone who gets a DUI or has an underage needs "help"... it's just a bad decision.. people make bad decisions... I don't know Floyd personally, but based off of the reports of his drinking (2 underages and a DUI) I'm not ready to call him an alcoholic and say he needs help.. guy made a bad decision and is now going to pay for it, but for me he doesn't need to "get his priorities in order" because I have no idea what order his priorities are in right now.. and don't come at me with "well drinking is obviously more important than football".. guy made a bad decision let's not over blow it to say he's out of control and there are bigger issues for him than football

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

On a lighter note, my sources tell me Golden Tate was on campus this weekend. Floyd was just driving to Dunkin Donuts to get him some jelly flavored and chocolate icing. (joke)

 

[irishtrinity]

first day of SPRING BREAK damn floyd.. i just hope he gets to play half of the yr,well we get to see our new guys april 16th can't wait next man in...GO IRISH..

 

[johnnykillz]

So, how long? That is the question... What's standard USC or SEC procedure dictate? I say we follow their lead since they seem to have set the standard when it comes to bull**** like this.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I don't think he's an alcoholic, calling him that is kinda jumping the gun, college kids drink...and drink a lot. I had 4 underages from 16-20, and am the furthest thing from an alocholic. But, I never drove (bc I always wanted to be a cop, and I knew that would ruin any ambition of that). He should have known better to then to drive around loaded, especially with what he has to lose. These prima donna's need a reality check

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

I don't think he's an alcoholic, calling him that is kinda jumping the gun, college kids drink...and drink a lot. I had 4 underages from 16-20, and am the furthest thing from an alocholic. But, I never drove (bc I always wanted to be a cop, and I knew that would ruin any ambition of that). He should have known better to then to drive around loaded, especially with what he has to lose. These prima donna's need a reality check

yeah absolutely.. drinking and driving is totally inexcusable, I'm just saying it happens (often) and is not really "enough" to say he has a drinking problem and needs reflection time and help situating his priorities.. he made an impulse decision that he will be paying for so to see all these reactions (not on this board per se) calling for him to seek help for his drinking problem kind of seem absurd to me.. and it's not that he's a prima donna and needs to have a reality check.. I'm sure he didn't think he was above the law, I'm sure he didn't think anything when he got into the car.. he just made a bad decision.. that's all I'm trying to say

 

[jakerbluegold]

It's got to be one of the worst days in Irish Athletics in quite some time.

Someone please wake me when the nightmare's over.

And keep you head up Michael. You're an intelligent young man, but you've got to start acting like it.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Shaq Evans is in town visiting old teammates. Can we get him to transfer back?

 

[BGIF]

Coach has done the right thing. He has also chosen his words carefully to indicate the priority of the law and the University in this decision to come, but also being open to the possibility that Michael might re-join the ND community and the Team sometime in the future.

I agree Mike.

Kelly made a gaff last season with a premature comment and has learned that ND does things differently than UC or the other places he's coached.

He could have let Floyd practice Wednesday and awaited Res Life's ruling. He didn't. St Joe's Co might fine Floyd and require a driving license forfeiture as well as require counseling but they have no say in how UND deals with the situation. Likewise Kelly's suspension doesn't pre-empt Res Life.

There's an article by WNDU that claims this is Floyd's third alcohol related "incident" .

Update: ND football star Michael Floyd suspended indefinitely

Two were underage incidents NOT DUI's.

...

Floyd actually has two previous underage drinking citations in Minnesota.

According to the Hennepin County Courts, the 1st happened on May 15, 2009 and the 2nd came on January 8th, 2010. Both times Floyd worked with a court hearing officer to keep the citations out of court .

In the 2nd incident, Floyd and Minnesota running back Shady Salamon, who were former Cretin-Derham Hall prep teammates in St. Paul, Minn., were cited after police were called to a fight

...

Floyd's 2nd underage drinking citation came less than a month into Brian Kelly's tenure as the Notre Dame football coach.

...

Res Life will take action. No doubt about it. From a fan's standpoint hope they take swift action and impose it immediately. Keep in mind a Res Life imposed suspension from student activities is one level. Expulsion is another. Either could be done now and he might be able to come back for the Fall term. Most football players go to summer school but I don't think that's recognized as a "semester".

In a previous post talkiing about Powers Neal Res Life suspension I noted that extended until the next semester started. In this case I don't know that IF Floyd was to be suspended or expelled by Res Life until the Fall term that he could practice in August's Pre Season Camp. I'd suspect not. If so, the NCAA would not allow him to play when the season opened. That would have nothing to do with punishment but with conditioning. The NCAA has a prescribed schedule for getting ready to play football. You'll see it this week when the team first practices in helmets and shorts and works up over several day to full gear and contact. Any player missing preseason camp has to go through that same prescribed conditioning buildup. Ironically that could result in Floyd missing one or two games but it wouldn't be an NCAA punishment as was speculated by some posters earlier today.

 

[BGIF]

So, how long? That is the question... What's standard USC or SEC procedure dictate? I say we follow their lead since they seem to have set the standard when it comes to bull**** like this.

This is ND johnny, it's not about games. He could be gone for the season or even expelled. You can catch up on the Notre Dame Res Life whyfors at Post #218:

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/59470-floyd-arrested-3.html#post472618

 

[johnnykillz]

Bull****. I say we live to their standards... They want us to be subpar. I know it's ND. I'm just tired of our athletes looking like convicts when they get away with murder for lesser charges...

 

[mgriff]

Bull****. I say we live to their standards... They want us to be subpar. I know it's ND. I'm just tired of our athletes looking like convicts when they get away with murder for lesser charges...

But that's why we aren't subpar, because we make men out of these kids. No coddling, just cruel reality. I personally think that would be the most beneficial to him as a person. We wonder why NFL players act like a bunch of clowns--because they've never had any discipline or consequences. It's not about making him an NFL player, it's about making him a quality person, on and off the field.

 

[johnnykillz]

Basically, my bitch is this: The NCAA relies too heavily on universities on making their own decisions. You have the black and whites, and the grey U's. (gray?)

Nonetheless, we grant them full privilege of aiding the process of money laundering BS when we don't act all in congruence. They need to decide how a student athlete is dealt with. Let Res Life handle their end. Beyond that, so be it. I understand they have dual implications. However, student athlete should have dual roles...

I said it and I'm guilty. You know why? Because in South Bend, I met two of the biggest hater(s) of ND football you will EVER meet. They weren't cops. Now exponentially increase that. Welcome to their world... (The student athlete.)

They were Meat Chicken fans born and raised South Bend; and other than their sports afiliation, they were cool mother ****ers. So I KNOW these simple minded geeks threw the book at a guy they could have let go because he was "The" Micheal Floyd.

Put that on my dog, boys...

 

[johnnykillz]

Basically, my bitch is this: The NCAA relies too heavily on universities on making their own decisions. You have the black and whites, and the grey U's. (gray?)

Nonetheless, we grant them full privilege of aiding the process of money laundering BS when we don't act all in congruence. They need to decide how a student athlete is dealt with. Let Res Life handle their end. Beyond that, so be it. I understand they have dual implications. However, student athlete should have dual roles...

I said it and I'm guilty. You know why? Because in South Bend, I met two of the biggest hater(s) of ND football you will EVER meet. They weren't cops. Now exponentially increase that. Welcome to their world... (The student athlete.)

They were Meat Chicken fans born and raised South Bend; and other than their sports afiliation, they were cool mother ****ers. So I KNOW these simple minded geeks threw the book at a guy they could have let go because he was "The" Micheal Floyd.

Put that on my dog, boys...

BTW, this was at Corby's...

Michigan game. And no, I didn't fight them. And no, we didn't make the strip club, as a team...

 

[phgreek]

not everyone who gets a DUI or has an underage needs "help"... it's just a bad decision.. people make bad decisions... I don't know Floyd personally, but based off of the reports of his drinking (2 underages and a DUI) I'm not ready to call him an alcoholic and say he needs help.. guy made a bad decision and is now going to pay for it, but for me he doesn't need to "get his priorities in order" because I have no idea what order his priorities are in right now.. and don't come at me with "well drinking is obviously more important than football".. guy made a bad decision let's not over blow it to say he's out of control and there are bigger issues for him than football

Bigger issues than football is what Coach Kelly alluded to...I agree.

I think we can scratch off conscientious objector to age and driving restrictions as Mike's motivation...beyond that we have bad judgement left, and then whats causing that.

So, I can swallow a couple dings for underaged drinking...unfortunate luck getting caught at what the majority of kids do...especially college aged kids. Now we add an alleged DUI, which makes three incidents, each with accompanying behavior that seemed to exhibit less judgment than the previous offense...(w/o even considering his scholly, and NFL draft rank)

...a 12 step process for Mike...I doubt it...some tough love type intervention from Momma, Mr. Coach Kelly, and ND, yea. Some reflection and some self-eval from Mike...yea. Rather its booze or a little "10 feet tall and bullet proof", or something else entirely...they're all issues bigger than football in my book.

 

[johnnykillz]

I personally think that would be the most beneficial to him as a person.

Griff: You're my boy. You know that.

Now if we all lived like Ghandi, we would be better. But you don't, and I don't. Which standard do you stand by?

BTW, I believe in christianity. I don't think that makes a difference. Do you?

 

[irishandy]

I hope Floyd realizes what kind of talent he is and he cleans up his act before it's to late. I understand he is not the only college kid to do this, but in his case to represent himself and Notre Dame more respectfully. I agree with coach Kelly's decision and would be open to Floyd to comeback to the team. I'd like to see ND try and help Floyd to see if he has a problem (I am not saying he does). As far as how our team will react or what our record will be this year is not on my mind. I hope Mike can bounce back from this. Go Irish!!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I guess I'll chime in, I guess...I have 2 hours before I have to do anything of value...

Just a question, and just a thought. I know ND has a policy of "in loco parentis" ( long but interesting article - maybe Nanker or SirDishands or OMM or the BigIf will read it... The Soul of a University // News // Notre Dame Magazine // University of Notre Dame)

My question in general is why should a University or its fan or haters feel obligated to add to punishment that should be left to the legal system?

I have zero clue about any of this, nor any anwers. My prayers to Floyd for his strength through this learning process. I am glad he is home safe and nobody was physically injured.

I wonder how many of those who have posted demanding serious punishment have ever had a beer.

Oh well, please try to be safe, and don't drive while less than highly aware.

 

[johnnykillz]

Just a question, and just a thought. I know ND has a policy of "in loco parentis" ( long but interesting article - maybe Nanker or SirDishands or OMM or the BigIf will read it... The Soul of a University // News // Notre Dame Magazine // University of Notre Dame) and will take care of this matter as a parent would.)

My question in general is why should a University or its fan or haters feel obligated to add to punishment that should be left to the legal system?

And I have a question also, to my fellow fans: Did Floyd return for Floyd? Did Floyd return for Notre Dame? Or did Floyd return for himself?

 

[mgriff]

And I have a question also, to my fellow fans: Did Floyd return for Floyd? Did Floyd return for Notre Dame? Or did Floyd return for himself?

I don't buy into Christianity anymore, but I do appreciate Notre Dame's standards. While I understand your thoughts on competing and not acting like everyone else, that would be akin to saying parents shouldn't try to raise quality children because many in society don't. It's defeatist.

I think Floyd came back for Floyd, but that doesn't mean the university shouldn't try and make him a better person.

 

[dshans]

Just a question, and just a thought. I know ND has a policy of "in loco parentis" ( long but interesting article - maybe Nanker or SirDishands or OMM or the BigIf will read it...

My question in general is why should a University or its fan or haters feel obligated to add to punishment that should be left to the legal system?

I read the article; possibly a re-read since I get the mag.

In Loco Parentis" has probably been part of the university's policy, in one for another, from day one. It's been addressed, adhered to and administered in varying degrees over the years. I'll leave it that since it would be a far too lengthy comment in a thread regarding Michael Floyd's arrest.

Simply put, a university, Notre Dame or otherwise, should reserve the right to handle matters as they see fit. Regardless of the judicial system. The concepts of care, community and charity should be applied.

Fans or haters? Haters will find fodder wherever they can. Fans will discuss. Sometimes they'll "bicker." That's a valuable part of the process.

Curiously, had this happened 35 years ago, Floyd would not be in same boat. The drinking age was 18 then (no underage drinking citations in MN) and the legal limits for BAC levels to justify a DUI were much higher.

I benefitted from the more liberal approach to "In Loco Parentis" ND took in my years there. It strikes me that more emphasis was placed on compassion and understanding than retribution and punishment than today.

All I can add is this: I hope that the best is achieved for Michael, the University and the football program. To hell with the haters.

A long post, I know. I apologize – but you did ask, after all.

 

[WabashFalcon]

I have an intelligent solution.

Make him run stadium steps until he vomits.

Give him five minutes, then do it again. And again.

After the third time, take him to the weightroom and make him do deep squats for several hundred reps. Then leg press. Physically kill him.

Then make him go through the Alcohol Abuse class and do a hundred or so hours of community service.

Problem solved. No missed gametime. He'll never do it again.

 

[IrishMoore1]

Best case scenario is that he's suspended for a couple of games. Past precedent suggests he will be suspended from the school altogether for at least one semester.

 

[Irish Fam]

For some reason after reading Kelly's statement about this I envisioned a spring and first game suspension. It sounds as though Kelly is going to give Floyd a chance to handle this like an adult.

 

[BurningRiver]

any possibility that if he gets suspended for this year he comes back in 2012? i doubt he would pass up the draft for a 2nd time in a row, but i'd imagine his draft stock has taken a major hit in the past 24 hours, so maybe it would be helpful for him to come back for a year and prove he can be a respectable player on and off the field. also, it would be nice to help us deal with our meat-grinder 2012 schedule.