Dayne Crist early Heisman candidate?

[BestBIrish47]

We don't even know if he is going to be the starter... I guess consider the source... link below

NO Floyd either... not that he can compile the stats to win it, but I think he should be in the conversation with these guys at least.



The way-too-early 2011 Heisman watch list

 

[RyCo1983]

hahaha
what a silly time for that list.

way-too-early is an understatement.

Floyd will get more Heisman hype IMO (But he is my favorite so I'm biased)

 

[IrishBlood81]

LOL I mean...thats really pushing it. I go pretty far saying our players are awesome, the best, but this early when Reese, Hendrix or Golson could start is just really ridiculous.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

He has pretty good numbers for a shortened season last year but I just don't see it... Decrease the ratio of interceptions to touchdowns and go from 59% to 65% completion rate and its possible. Floyd will certainly be a help to that cause. I still think Kelly and Co. will have a very difficult decision between Crist, Rees and Hendrix come USF. I think no matter how much raw talent Golson shows he takes a red-shirt and really learns the playbook. Sorry, Im turning this comment into a QB depth debate.

 

[InKellyITrust]

Surprised that Crist makes that list and Floyd doesn't.

 

[D-BOE34]

I feel like you guys seem to forget that Kelly said Crist was above and beyond all others. An injury will not change that. He wasn't that bad. He was actually really well with a horrible supporting cast to start the season. I think he handled it very well. Now Kelly can throw him in to a developed team. Crist is well deserving as a canidate. It is early and do I think he will be there? No but to talk about how great he could be this year is correct. The other guys are still young and back ups will be used. Hendrix will pass Rees for #2. Floyd will have a hard time hitting numbers but scouts will see he was tag teamed the entire year and will earn a first round spot. I would assume he is out of the talk because analysts know he is to good to not be shut down by 2+ every game. Crist and company will kick *** next year!

 

[irishtrain]

C'mon man. I like Dane Crist and hope he is the one because of his tremendous upside. But c'mon man.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I feel like you guys seem to forget that Kelly said Crist was above and beyond all others. An injury will not change that. He wasn't that bad. He was actually really well with a horrible supporting cast to start the season. I think he handled it very well. Now Kelly can throw him in to a developed team. Crist is well deserving as a canidate. It is early and do I think he will be there? No but to talk about how great he could be this year is correct. The other guys are still young and back ups will be used. Hendrix will pass Rees for #2. Floyd will have a hard time hitting numbers but scouts will see he was tag teamed the entire year and will earn a first round spot. I would assume he is out of the talk because analysts know he is to good to not be shut down by 2+ every game. Crist and company will kick *** next year!

Kelly said that almost a year ago. Crist's injury will certainly hurt his chances if he cannot practice come spring.

Throw him into a developed team? His knowledge of the offense was fairly shallow to begin with, you believe he will be able to walk in fall camp, after missing the spring, and steal the job from guys who have had continuous repetitions with the offense? Rees is the safe choice, and Hendrix is the wild card, if he can combine his physical attributes with on the field play/decisions, he could runaway with the race.

Crist needs to practice this spring, if he doesn't, I see no way he starts. Being out of football for that long, while learning a new system, is a very very difficult hurdle to climb.

How is his injury coming along? any new news?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Kelly said that almost a year ago. Crist's injury will certainly hurt his chances if he cannot practice come spring.

Throw him into a developed team? His knowledge of the offense was fairly shallow to begin with, you believe he will be able to walk in fall camp, after missing the spring, and steal the job from guys who have had continuous repetitions with the offense? Rees is the safe choice, and Hendrix is the wild card, if he can combine his physical attributes with on the field play/decisions, he could runaway with the race.

Crist needs to practice this spring, if he doesn't, I see no way he starts. Being out of football for that long, while learning a new system, is a very very difficult hurdle to climb.

How is his injury coming along? any new news?

Kelly also said he would be surprised if Crist wasn't the starter. So, take that FWIW.

 

[IrishBlood81]

He has pretty good numbers for a shortened season last year but I just don't see it... Decrease the ratio of interceptions to touchdowns and go from 59% to 65% completion rate and its possible. Floyd will certainly be a help to that cause. I still think Kelly and Co. will have a very difficult decision between Crist, Rees and Hendrix come USF. I think no matter how much raw talent Golson shows he takes a red-shirt and really learns the playbook. Sorry, Im turning this comment into a QB depth debate.

Yeah pretty sure your right, Golson will be redshirted. Just makes senses and gives us a whole nother year with this kid.

 

[D-BOE34]

Rees is nothing more than a glorified back up. PERIOD! Hendrix is a wild card and Crist is who Kelly thinks can run his offense wide open full go! Hendrix I think will be good. Golson is going to be what Kelly wants but Crist is the best thing Kelly has right now. If Crist is not the starter I will give 1000 vbucks to anyone who can name the starter over him (must be detailed why). First come first served ... go!

 

[mick2]

why isnt rees on this list. apparently he has "it" and "that" is all you need to be a succesful qb. so obviously he needs to be on the list.

 

[Irish Man3]

I feel like you guys seem to forget that Kelly said Crist was above and beyond all others. An injury will not change that. He wasn't that bad. He was actually really well with a horrible supporting cast to start the season. I think he handled it very well. Now Kelly can throw him in to a developed team. Crist is well deserving as a canidate. It is early and do I think he will be there? No but to talk about how great he could be this year is correct. The other guys are still young and back ups will be used. Hendrix will pass Rees for #2. Floyd will have a hard time hitting numbers but scouts will see he was tag teamed the entire year and will earn a first round spot. I would assume he is out of the talk because analysts know he is to good to not be shut down by 2+ every game. Crist and company will kick *** next year!

His SECOND major knee injury wont change his performance? How do you know? It's not a pulled hamstring or a lingering injury, it's a serious knee injury that will, AGAIN, affect his mobility. Last i knew, mobility was a key in the spread offense. We don't even know if he will be ready for the spring or if he'll be the starter come September. It's very premature in my opinion.


Horrible supporting cast? As opposed to what Rees did without Armando Allen, Kyle Rudolph and Theo Riddick?

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Kelly also said he would be surprised if Crist wasn't the starter. So, take that FWIW.

Can you post a link to that? Not saying your lying, it's just shocks me.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Rees is nothing more than a glorified back up. PERIOD! Hendrix is a wild card and Crist is who Kelly thinks can run his offense wide open full go! Hendrix I think will be good. Golson is going to be what Kelly wants but Crist is the best thing Kelly has right now. If Crist is not the starter I will give 1000 vbucks to anyone who can name the starter over him (must be detailed why). First come first served ... go!

If Crist DOES NOT practice this spring, I will take that bet that Hendrix starts bc he has a very quick release, can use his feet, strong arm, and will have over a year to understand the playbook.

 

[Veer option]

Its nice to see ND players getting a little recognition.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

His SECOND major knee injury wont change his performance? How do you know? It's not a pulled hamstring or a lingering injury, it's a serious knee injury that will, AGAIN, affect his mobility. Last i knew, mobility was a key in the spread offense. We don't even know if he will be ready for the spring or if he'll be the starter come September. It's very premature in my opinion.


Horrible supporting cast? As opposed to what Rees did without Armando Allen, Kyle Rudolph and Theo Riddick?

Agree. Crist will be battling physically, and psychologically. 2 blown out knees is not a joke. His ability to run took a huge hit.

 

[woolybug25]

Rees is nothing more than a glorified back up. PERIOD! Hendrix is a wild card and Crist is who Kelly thinks can run his offense wide open full go! Hendrix I think will be good. Golson is going to be what Kelly wants but Crist is the best thing Kelly has right now. If Crist is not the starter I will give 1000 vbucks to anyone who can name the starter over him (must be detailed why). First come first served ... go!

Rees was an 18 year old kid that hasnt even grown into a college-level body yet. Crist wasnt ready to start physically as a freshman either. An offseason of workouts paired with the fact that he has been at the helm for our last four wins will give him a fighting chance.

You are on.... Rees is my pick.

 

[JadeBrecks]

Dayne Crist a heisman?

 

[D-BOE34]

Well played fellas. Can't say I don't like a little fire under the *** of a fan and who he supports. Break it all down, we all just hope whoever earns the spot is a winner. We are talking about 3 qb's that could possibly be starting. Now that, my friends, is something to be proud of.

 

[irishff1014]

These day with the talent the RB's and QB's have i will be very surpised to see anyone othe then one of these players to win. Crist is good for this team. The way the running was doing in the later half of the season cold help him. But he will have to put up awesome numbers to win it.

 

[GreatGolson]

Crist won't start. As far as the heisman goes, not to be downer on this article but the past 2 heisman winners were virtual unknowns coming into their heisman seasons

 

[irish1958]

Crist won't start. As far as the heisman goes, not to be downer on this article but the past 2 heisman winners were virtual unknowns coming into their heisman seasons

That is true, but a large part of their success was the fact that the leading contenders were hurt or really screwed up during the season.
It is always better to be high on the list than to try to get to the top if you are not even on it.
The same goes for the NC.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Dayne is a bold pick, which is why i assume this guy picked him

 

[IrishLax]

Straight up... no one has an y idea what will happen. Crist could be totally healthy, have a monster year and win the Heisman. That's very plausible. It's also very possible he doesn't make it back from this injury and Rees is the starter. Maybe Rees puts on some weight this year, matures and comes out guns blazing in 2011. Weirder things have happened. Or maybe Hendrix supplants both of them.

My point is that anyone here suggesting who is better or what will happen or using other definitive language is fooling themselves. Once we start getting some spring practice reports we might be able to have a more informed debate, but right now literally anything is possible.

 

[kmoose]

Have some of you actually looked at the link? It's a watch list. I don't think Crist has a prayer of winning the Heisman, but since when is putting the QB at ND on the preseason watch list such a travesty?

 

[NDOM]

I'm going to go ahead and just laugh at that. Crist should'nt be anywhere near that list. He cant last more than 6 games a year, anyway, Floyd should be on there before Crist. I like Crist dont get me wrong but sheesh. Sorry, I'm just being who I am. I'm off to see the Wizard

 

[BGIF]

Straight up... no one has an y idea what will happen. Crist could be totally healthy, have a monster year and win the Heisman. That's very plausible. It's also very possible he doesn't make it back from this injury and Rees is the starter. Maybe Rees puts on some weight this year, matures and comes out guns blazing in 2011. Weirder things have happened. Or maybe Hendrix supplants both of them.

My point is that anyone here suggesting who is better or what will happen or using other definitive language is fooling themselves. Once we start getting some spring practice reports we might be able to have a more informed debate, but right now literally anything is possible.

Right on with the spring practice assessemnt.

The second sentence, "Crist could be totally healthy, have a monster year and win the Heisman," isn't very plausible. Crist could be totally healthy, could have a monster year but wouldn't win the Heisman if he does, nor would Floyd.

To win the Heisman you have to dominate your region and do well in the other regions. If Crist has that monster year it's most likely that Floyd did, as well. Floyd would split the vote with Crist and both of them would fall short. Keep in mind Floyd aready has impressive numbers while Crist is still running on potential. At this point the image of Crist that most voters probably have is him overthrowing his big receiver with a pass that seemed like it was high enough to make it over the crossbar- while the outcome of the came was on the line.

Floyd having a Kamaralike year regardless of how well the rest of the receiving corps does would not bode well for Crist nor for ND.

 

[GreatGolson]

Have some of you actually looked at the link? It's a watch list. I don't think Crist has a prayer of winning the Heisman, but since when is putting the QB at ND on the preseason watch list such a travesty?

Since about 1993

 

[IrishLax]

Right on with the spring practice assessemnt.

The second sentence, "Crist could be totally healthy, have a monster year and win the Heisman," isn't very plausible. Crist could be totally healthy, could have a monster year but wouldn't win the Heisman if he does, nor would Floyd.

To win the Heisman you have to dominate your region and do well in the other regions. If Crist has that monster year it's most likely that Floyd did, as well. Floyd would split the vote with Crist and both of them would fall short. Keep in mind Floyd aready has impressive numbers while Crist is still running on potential. At this point the image of Crist that most voters probably have is him overthrowing his big receiver with a pass that seemed like it was high enough to make it over the crossbar- while the outcome of the came was on the line.

Floyd having a Kamaralike year regardless of how well the rest of the receiving corps does would not bode well for Crist nor for ND.

Very valid points, and I agree with all of them, but again... stay away from definitive statements like "Crist could be totally healthy, could have a monster year but wouldn't win the Heisman if he does, nor would Floyd." Saying that if Crist and Floyd both have a huge year neither will win the Heisman is slightly ignorant of recent Heisman winners. In the last 10 years, besides Graham Harrel and Michael Crabtree, can you name another example where a receiver actually cost his QB significant votes? I can't really think of one, but I can think of plenty of QBs who won Heismans while they had top WRs with big years. The best example is probably Troy Smith who had top 10 NFL draft pick receiver Ted Ginn Jr racking up huge numbers all season.

It's entirely plausible that Crist could have a gaudy season, Mike could snag 12 TDs and Crist would win the Heisman. Probable? No. Likely? No. Plausible? Very much so, it has happened before.