ND Professor Responds to Tribune

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On the Seeberg Tragedy and Notre Dame: A Rebuttal

John F. Gaski, Ph.D. (N.D. ’71, ’73)

Associate Professor, University of Notre Dame

Notre Dame, IN 46556

The University of Notre Dame is much too temperate and indulgent to say this, but I’m not—and it needs to be said: The Elizabeth Seeberg matter (i.e., recent suicide at St. Mary’s College after an allegation of misbehavior against a Notre Dame student) truly is a case of rape. Notre Dame is getting raped by the Chicago Tribune’s smear campaign, embodied by a couple of reporters on the make (three, if sportswriter David Haugh is considered a reporter) who cynically capitalize on an opportunity to enhance their rep at the school’s expense and by exploiting the Seeberg family’s grief. How far the “world’s greatest newspaper” has fallen. It would be difficult to sort out cause and effect but maybe this unhealthy tendency has something to do with the Trib’s circulation problems.

Although a Notre Dame alumnus and employee, I represent only myself here as a Notre Dame admirer. In view of the Tribune’s recent reportorial provocations, I am compelled to comment. First, this “news” paper should have printed a page-one retraction and public apology for its initial false reporting to the effect that Notre Dame campus security personnel withheld the official alleged incident report from local police. The Trib’s false claim was based on an uncorroborated source which proved erroneous. In other words, the Trib sensationalized the story from the beginning by falsely creating the appearance of a cover-up. (Yellow journalists salivate over that concept, don’t they?) For the Trib not to confess and address this lapse merely confirms the existence of an intentional calumny against Notre Dame.

Moreover, what do we now know for sure about the original incident? (A reader may wish to keep score of how the following jibes with existing perception as cultivated in the media.) Entirely lifted from publicly available, if unpleasant, information, and expressed as delicately as possible: (1) The Seeberg girl was consensually alone in a football player’s dorm room at night, on a campus not her own. (1a) According to the Tribune’s latest of December 16, she remained there in the room, again volitionally, for some time after the alleged incident occurred! (2) Even if Elizabeth Seeberg had lived, there likely would be no criminal case because the issue would then be only one person’s word against another’s, literally a he-said, she-said conundrum. (3) Bolstering the preceding point, significantly, is that the accuser in this instance had a history of psychiatric problems, actually among the most serious possible as confirmed by her subsequent demise. (4) Now we find that her testimony’s credibility is undermined further, according to information from the St. Joe County prosecutor, by some sworn statements inconsistent with phone records. It is very telling that the local prosecutor dropped this case in short order. (If you don’t like this recitation, then blame the Chicago Tribune, my primary source.)

In contrast, the Trib’s reporting has consistently created an overall impression contrary to this factual litany, which strongly suggests non-journalistic motives. Yes, the Tribune does seem to try to spin these things a bit differently. To those worked up by the Trib’s self-consciously charged imagery of “sex crimes,” “sexual assault,” “sexual attack,” and “sexual battery,” if and when you become aware of exactly what the literal accusation was, you may be disappointed. Recall that sexual battery is essentially defined legally as “unwanted touching.”

So if you really think the University of Notre Dame did something wrong in this matter, what is it? Insufficiently strict student discipline—at Notre Dame? Get serious. The prevailing external criticism, and praise from some quarters, is just the opposite. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

More fundamentally, other than the circumstantial aspects such as reviewed here, you do not have the slightest idea what really happened in that dorm room. None of us do. It is simply impossible to know if a crime occurred. Keep in mind that the target university is constrained by law from publicly defending itself against the ongoing smear, or even providing information, and that the Tribune has reported falsely on this tragic story already. I submit that we have now succeeded in identifying one real victim, and the Chicago Tribune is the assailant.

Another way, a completely accurate way, of looking at it: St. Mary’s College enrolled a student who was extremely mentally disturbed—and Notre Dame gets slimed. All it takes is one accusation of totally unknown validity. Compounding the irony and hypocrisy, why no Tribune muckraking investigation of St. Mary’s admissions practices? Let me guess. Not the same high-profile cachet or payoff for the Jimmy Olsens and their bosses?

One more example of the Tribune’s tendentiousness is this (from its December 16 article): “Saint Mary’s—unlike Notre Dame—did not hesitate to provide documents and answer questions.” Now, really, do you suppose the difference might derive from the fact that the deceased was a St. Mary’s student, not a Notre Dame student? St. Mary’s is required by law to share information with parents; Notre Dame is prohibited from doing so with those who are not affiliated with the University, such as the Seebergs. Was this distinction lost on the Trib reporters? Of course not. They knew what they were doing and, whatever it was, it was not professional.

Finally, with its phony cover-up gambit collapsing, the Tribune is now trying to stoke the impression of inordinate delay between the deceased girl’s September 1 police report and ND Security’s follow-up—insinuating that the sluggishness contributed to the suicide. However, the timeline the Trib is downplaying is that Miss Seeberg’s written report was not filed until September 6, while campus police began the effort to interview the accused on September 9. Not exactly crack police work to our amateur eyes maybe, or maybe it is, but not quite the same as the impression the Trib manufactured either, is it?

Only with much reluctance do I bring all this up anywhere near the attention of the suffering Seebergs, but they made a decision to enter the crucible of public discourse by launching a very public attack on a revered institution of higher learning. Just because that school turns the other cheek does not mean its dedicated disciples have to do the same. “Betrayal,” the Tribune postures grandiloquently on behalf of the Seebergs. Look who’s talking.

For the Seeberg family’s sake, we can hope they have not opened a Pandora’s Box about their poor child. Also for the same reason, the Seebergs should be reminded that abetting a campaign of vilification against a widely beloved institution can rightfully provoke backlash. Folks, when you publicly revile our school without confirmed substantive basis, you also defame everyone associated with it. At some point, hopefully from a safer emotional distance, the Seebergs will need to consider that. Likewise, the Tribune is served notice that some are not willing to acquiesce as its public punching bag indefinitely.

No matter how much sympathy and good will Notre Dame partisans have for the Seebergs at their time of supreme grief, everyone has a limit and the Seeberg-Tribune alliance may be pushing a large mass of people up against it. Evidently, the paper and its reporters care little about such prospective consequences, but perhaps the Seeberg family should find time to reflect on what the Trib reporters’ true motives may be, and who their own truer friends are. Many of those friends will be found in the Notre Dame community.

We surely, in fact eagerly, can give the Seebergs a pass for now, but it is past time for the Tribune to acknowledge its misconduct, ultimately built upon the original counterfeit report. Regardless, it is also timely for the Notre Dame world, collectively if not institutionally, to react against the Chicago Tribune in some appropriate way. (The price per copy has become rather high, hasn’t it?) Anti-journalistic assault upon a fine and honorable university, even if artificially cloaked in humane concern for a bereaved family, is a serious offense—a virtual depredation or rape. Without any unwarranted animosity toward the Seebergs, perhaps our side should show the Trib how seriously we take it. This note is but a necessary start. We can all regret that the Chicago Tribune’s behavior has made it necessary.



The author’s recent books are Frugal Cool: How to Get Rich—Without Making Very Much Money (Corby 2009) and The Language of Branding (Nova Science 2010).
 

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Boom... talk about coming out firing... I don't even know this guy, but I would take his class
 

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WOW! what a great read, i'm glad someone put into words what most of us were thinking.
 

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What an excellent piece. Makes me want to meet Professor Gaski. Terry, was this published in the Chicago Trib?
 

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Nice to see someone do it, because it needed to be done.
 

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Where was this published?

I am wondering the same thing. This is a very eloquent response to the paper and I am hoping it is available to a wide audience. This is the kind of thing that should help bring down a media outlet without scruples.
 

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Well done! This needs to be in the Trib itself. I've been on several threads asking Domer's to boycott the paper and its advertisers.
 

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Well done! This needs to be in the Trib itself. I've been on several threads asking Domer's to boycott the paper and its advertisers.

ND Nation should do just that... Boycott the paper and it's website. I vote irishenvy (and other ND websites) refuse to post any link that will generate traffic to their website.
 

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Well, Professor Gaski isn't exactly beloved by his students. I don't personally know him, but I looked him up on NDtoday.com, which is a site that ND students use to rate professors. Some words that the students used include "hostile," "weird," and "intimidating." The Tribune's handling of the case has greatly upset me as well (and has gotten me into trouble on IE), but I'm not sure that he's the voice we should be supporting, especially since it goes against the University's approach (so far) of handling it with more class.
 

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Well, Professor Gaski isn't exactly beloved by his students. I don't personally know him, but I looked him up on NDtoday.com, which is a site that ND students use to rate professors. Some words that the students used include "hostile," "weird," and "intimidating." The Tribune's handling of the case has greatly upset me as well (and has gotten me into trouble on IE), but I'm not sure that he's the voice we should be supporting, especially since it goes against the University's approach (so far) of handling it with more class.

Not trying to pick a fight with you, but I disagree. I don't see:

1) What Professor Gaski's relative popularity with the students has to do with the relative validity of his opinion on this matter; or

2) What about his rebuttal was less than "classy."
 

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Not trying to pick a fight with you, but I disagree. I don't see:

1) What Professor Gaski's relative popularity with the students has to do with the relative validity of his opinion on this matter; or

2) What about his rebuttal was less than "classy."

I just wanted to say that he's an aggressive person and his message (as the professor points out) strays from the university's response to the situation. As a Christian university, I believe that Notre Dame should take the high road instead of trying to exact revenge. Please feel free to poke fun at the comparison if you think it is ridiculous, but this reminds me of when the soldiers came with Judas to capture Jesus, Peter cuts the ear off the high priest's servant. Jesus simply reaches out and heals the servant's wound. I think Peter can represent Professor Gaski, who's eager to protect who/what he loves, but his aggressive actions are not condoned by who he follows. Maybe as a Christian institution, we should forgive and "turn the other cheek" instead of trying to incite boycotts, etc.

To address your points, I don't care about his popularity; I'm just saying that his personality traits aren't necessarily conducive to writing an article that echoes the core principles of the University. And as for the second point, I guess "class" isn't the right word. A more accurate description of my problem with the article is the tone, calling this a "rape" against the university. I agree with the points that he makes, but I don't like the way he portrays his opinion. I completely understand how most people on this board would disagree with me, but this is my opinion. I hope I explained it clearly enough.
 

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I just wanted to say that he's an aggressive person and his message (as the professor points out) strays from the university's response to the situation. As a Christian university, I believe that Notre Dame should take the high road instead of trying to exact revenge. Please feel free to poke fun at the comparison if you think it is ridiculous, but this reminds me of when the soldiers came with Judas to capture Jesus, Peter cuts the ear off the high priest's servant. Jesus simply reaches out and heals the servant's wound. I think Peter can represent Professor Gaski, who's eager to protect who/what he loves, but his aggressive actions are not condoned by who he follows. Maybe as a Christian institution, we should forgive and "turn the other cheek" instead of trying to incite boycotts, etc.

To address your points, I don't care about his popularity; I'm just saying that his personality traits aren't necessarily conducive to writing an article that echoes the core principles of the University. And as for the second point, I guess "class" isn't the right word. A more accurate description of my problem with the article is the tone, calling this a "rape" against the university. I agree with the points that he makes, but I don't like the way he portrays his opinion. I completely understand how most people on this board would disagree with me, but this is my opinion. I hope I explained it clearly enough.


No, I would never poke fun at sincere and well-thought-out ideas (which yours obviously are), even if I don't agree with them. I immensly enjoy the serious discussion of these serious issues, and have nothing but respect for those, like you, who engage sincerely.

As many on here may have picked up on, I have some serious problems with the administration at this University on a number of issues. I think, to a great degree, and on a number of issues, this administration is following a trend started by previous administrations which, if it continues, threatens Notre Dame's character as a Catholic institution of higher learning. I know, through private discussions with others here that some disagree. But that is OK, too.

On the other hand, I have seen absolutely no motivation whatsoever other than to slander the University in the way this Seeberg matter has been handled in the press. Regardless of my other issues with the University, that is an injustice of the highest order in my mind. I applaud someone like this Professor Gaski who has the onions and the skill to stand up to this attack.

Maybe I am just not as convinced that Catholicism necessarily requires the degree of pacifiscm that you seem to me to think it does. That doesn't make either of us wrong. I appreciate your viewpoint.
 

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No, I would never poke fun at sincere and well-thought-out ideas (which yours obviously are), even if I don't agree with them. I immensly enjoy the serious discussion of these serious issues, and have nothing but respect for those, like you, who engage sincerely.

As many on here may have picked up on, I have some serious problems with the administration at this University on a number of issues. I think, to a great degree, and on a number of issues, this administration is following a trend started by previous administrations which, if it continues, threatens Notre Dame's character as a Catholic institution of higher learning. I know, through private discussions with others here that some disagree. But that is OK, too.

On the other hand, I have seen absolutely no motivation whatsoever other than to slander the University in the way this Seeberg matter has been handled in the press. Regardless of my other issues with the University, that is an injustice of the highest order in my mind. I applaud someone like this Professor Gaski who has the onions and the skill to stand up to this attack.

Maybe I am just not as convinced that Catholicism necessarily requires the degree of pacifiscm that you seem to me to think it does. That doesn't make either of us wrong. I appreciate your viewpoint.

Cool, man; I appreciate your logical, respectful response. For the record, I would probably love it if the University punched back against the Tribune. :wink:
 

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John F. Gaski...you sir are just what the doctor ordered. Can someone make me a T-shirt with this guy's likeness on it?

He's much too classy to allow it, but I'd pay big for one of those windshield decals with this guy pissing on the chicago tribune logo...
 

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I sort of agree with DillonHall here... while I agree with almost all of the letter (and have said some of the same things, albeit less eloquently, in the past) I'm not sure if a professor associated with the University of Notre Dame should have written this letter. It would be much better coming from a more neutral or removed source.
 

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What an excellent piece. Makes me want to meet Professor Gaski. Terry, was this published in the Chicago Trib?

Don't know. I've seen it posted on other ND sites but no cite to the Trib. I did read a post that said it was posted on ISD two weeks ago. I'm not a subscriber so can't confirm that either.
 

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Well, Professor Gaski isn't exactly beloved by his students. I don't personally know him, but I looked him up on NDtoday.com, which is a site that ND students use to rate professors. Some words that the students used include "hostile," "weird," and "intimidating." The Tribune's handling of the case has greatly upset me as well (and has gotten me into trouble on IE), but I'm not sure that he's the voice we should be supporting, especially since it goes against the University's approach (so far) of handling it with more class.

David Haugh is that you?

The driveby assassination of someone you know only by "Some words that the students used include "hostile," "weird," and "intimidating" ..., was worthy of Haugh the Hack.

Interestingly the words, "hostile, weird, and intimidating" have been used to describe Lou Holtz, a man I've met and admire even though I've seen him pull a player off the field by his face mask, and put an referee in a headlock during a game. If you read "Under The Tarnished Dome" written by another hack you find far worse descriptions of Holtz from a minority sampling of former disgruntled players. And you can find hundreds of players he taught at William & Mary, Arkansas, and South Carolina among others in his career that hold him in high regard along with millions of Irish fans. You don't always get a true picture of a person's character from comments from the disgruntled.

Today I read comments about Gaski's teaching style from a number of alumni who knew him as a student and as a professor and described him as a "good professor", "awesome", "good guy", "ND Man". They also noted his choice of clothes is weird. Someone noted he was colorblind. He was also described as having an extremely dry sense of humor - a talent usually wasted on college age students.

How does his letter go against the University's approach to handling it with more class? Father Jenkins noted he normally would not comment on newspaper item (particularly with the possibility of an administrative hearing and appeals) but he did comment anyway.

As a double domer Gaski does have a right to defend his alma mater. He stated clearly that he was an employee of UND but was NOT speaking as an UND representative but rather as an individual. Gaski stood up and attacked fraud and deception by Haugh and the Trib.
 

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Sorry folks, intermittent service dumping me off net:
Yes...BGIF, welcome back---the board has severely missed you.

Regarding the topic, since I was a college prof, I'll call Gaski a "colleague". He and I would probably agree intellectually on very little, although we agree entirely on this [whether I would have handled it exactly as he did is another decision]. Gaski is a very strong-opinioned man [read his books] and takes a certain "political philosophy" to his thinking. This is sort of what we profs are paid to do: have strong well-thought-out views on things and let people [usually our students, but also our book readers] know about them. Gaski does that in his professional life and he is doing so here. For that he will not get fired. It's just what we weirdos do. Because Gaski is VERY political in his beliefs/assertions [I'm talking books now], he probably offends some students while creating camp followers in others---thus the differences in student evaluations. Because of that, one should always judge a prof's performance on "fairness" and knowledgeability, rather than whether you like our "stance" on some things. Gaski is a marketing prof and therefore will have strong views on Free Enterprise vs. Governmental Oversight. He is a fiercely loyal Notre Damer and the preface to his book was written by none other than Ara Parseghian. As to the spiritual "rightness" of his basically Old Testament approach to striking back vs. Dillon Hall's preference for a Gospel approach, well, each of us has to work that out with our vision of God.
 
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