Kelly sums up Saturday (8/14) scrimmage, depth chart

[irishfan]

BlueandGold.com // Week 1 Overview

 

[Riddickulous]

Tyler Eifert gets me unbelievably pumped. He sounds like a frigging beast. Kelly says we "have to find a way to get him on the field".

 

[DirtySecret]

No talk about Robby..

 

[ACamp1900]

seriously??? with our depth there?? I would be worried if there were talk of Robby right now.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Like we've been saying all along, so much of the season obviously rests of the shoulders of Dayne Crist.

Really glad to hear Shaq in the mix for some serious PT. He's a stud who can really help us, and PT is a solid remedy for homesickness.

The team just took off to Diamond Lake for some rest and relaxation...

 

[Riddickulous]

The team just took off to Diamond Lake for some rest and relaxation...

"Hi, I'm Steve Filer and this is Jack-Ass. Today, I'm gonna jump over Diamond Lake!"

 

[GoingGreen]

Kelly is making me excited about Tommy Rees.

 

[phork]

Man can the season start like now... !

 

[BirdmanND06]

seriously??? with our depth there?? I would be worried if there were talk of Robby right now.

I believe Toma has been running with the twos at the slot position.

 

[faithfulfan]

The quotes from Kelly made it seem like the position battle between Filer and B. Smith is settled, but Fleming's position is still up in the air. I thought it was the other way around. Any insight on this or did I misread something?

 

[NDinL.A.]

The quotes from Kelly made it seem like the position battle between Filer and B. Smith is settled, but Fleming's position is still up in the air. I thought it was the other way around. Any insight on this or did I misread something?

Many positions, you could say, are up in the air right now, because they are still in the evaluation stage of camp. That will be coming to an end soon, as they transition to getting cohesion between the units and preparing for PurDontdothat. But Fleming has pretty much entrenched himself as the starter, barring injury or something like laziness of course. Kerry O has looked good though, and he'll definitely get some PT b/c this defense will be on the field a lot (b/c of the way the offense plays). But don't worry, Fleming seems to have a stronger foothold on the position than Filer does over B Smith, for now anyways...

 

[BGIF]

BlueandGold.com // Week 1 Overview

... Kelly joked that sophomore tight end Tyler Eifert might become Notre Dame’s “Wally Pipp” because of Mike Ragone’s temporary absence ...

Eifert would become Lou Gehrig. Ragone would be Wally Pipp.

 

[tankjeep]

Man can the season start like now... !

i'm with ya there.....this is agonizing.

 

[Jerry]

Seems crazy that Brian Smith is battling for a position after how good he seemed to be as a sophomore two years ago.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Seems crazy that Brian Smith is battling for a position after how good he seemed to be as a sophomore two years ago.

What have you done for me lately?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Eifert would become Lou Gehrig. Ragone would be Wally Pipp.

You're right about the roles, but Kelly's comparison isn't all that apt.

Pipp had more than 100 RBIs the previous two years. He was 14th in MVP voting the previous year and 8th two years before that and had been the starter for the Yankees for 10 years.

Ragone is really talented and could have a great year. But, injuries have limited his production thus far. Here's hoping that changes this year...

Maybe he can be Pipp and Rudy can be Gehrig. Though I'm not sure what Eifert would be...

 

[mgriff]

Ragone is supposed to be Pipp in the analogy, in either scenario, with Rudy and Eifert being Gehrig. It really upset me when I read that and saw they had everything all ass backwards.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Ragone is supposed to be Pipp in the analogy, in either scenario, with Rudy and Eifert being Gehrig. It really upset me when I read that and saw they had everything all ass backwards.

Ragone is Pipp and Eifert is Gehrig. Rudy wasn't even in the conversation. I guess he'd be Babe Ruth.

My point was that Pipp was a star. Ragone has yet to become one. So the comparison isn't all that great either way.

 

[Irish.Ca]

Imagine 5 WR's, Rudolph, Ragone, Eifert, Floyd and Evans.

Who would you cover? They should run it a few times and add the points to the scoreboard.

 

[Irish Man3]

I think Smith will start but like we've heard all during camp, we will see a wide range of players rotating in. With the amount of time the defense should be on the field, we will see all our options including freshman at quality times.
As for Shaq, I thought he would battle Riddick at the slot position but according to BK the "X" position is the one in ? With it coming down to Kamara, TJ, and Shaq, I personally would like to see the younger guys see the field a little bit more and gain some serious experiance.

 

[BGIF]

Imagine 5 WR's, Rudolph, Ragone, Eifert, Floyd and Evans.

Who would you cover? They should run it a few times and add the points to the scoreboard.

6-6, 265; 6-4, 245; 6-6, 242; 6-3, 227, and 6-1, 205

I'd go with Kamara, 6-4, 225, or 6-3, 205 Goodman over Evans for maximum height.

People here lament the fade but it's criminal not to use that height advantage in the red zone with fades routes to both corners, curls inside them, and the 3rd TE on a drag. Let them drop 8 in coverage they're still too SHORT to cover. That also leaves the 235 pound Crist with a QB draw up the middle behind 350 pounds of Stewart.

They can also run an end around with some big people leading the blocking even without pulling an OL. Put Riddick in to set up the end around, and throw off to one of the tall guys off play action end around.

From the shotgun, put Rudolph in motion from the right side, and have Crist follow him between Stewart and take your pick, Martin or whoever is playing center. Put one of the big guys in motion and shovel pass to him as he follows Stewart.

I really don't want to see Crist running the ball but with Goal To GO if they leave the middle open to double up on the big receivers ... take what they give you.

Use the speed on a long field, down close use those big guys who each have a mismatch.

 

[KPENN]

6-6, 265; 6-4, 245; 6-6, 242; 6-3, 227, and 6-1, 205

I'd go with Kamara, 6-4, 225, or 6-3, 205 Goodman over Evans for maximum height.

People here lament the fade but it's criminal not to use that height advantage in the red zone with fades routes to both corners, curls inside them, and the 3rd TE on a drag. Let them drop 8 in coverage they're still too SHORT to cover. That also leaves the 235 pound Crist with a QB draw up the middle behind 350 pounds of Stewart.

They can also run an end around with some big people leading the blocking even without pulling an OL. Put Riddick in to set up the end around, and throw off to one of the tall guys off play action end around.

From the shotgun, put Rudolph in motion from the right side, and have Crist follow him between Stewart and take your pick, Martin or whoever is playing center. Put one of the big guys in motion and shovel pass to him as he follows Stewart.

I really don't want to see Crist running the ball but with Goal To GO if they leave the middle open to double up on the big receivers ... take what they give you.

Use the speed on a long field, down close use those big guys who each have a mismatch.

Man now that you say that it's sort of scary the talent and potential that's on this team.

 

[BGIF]

Ragone is Pipp and Eifert is Gehrig. Rudy wasn't even in the conversation. I guess he'd be Babe Ruth.

My point was that Pipp was a star. Ragone has yet to become one. So the comparison isn't all that great either way.

Pipp was a solid player, so is Ragone. Pipp never played for the Yankees again and Pipp didn't have Ragone's knee surgeries. Ragone will get meaningful PT for ND.


The guy who wouldn't play with a headache gets the ink in myth but in reality Pipp was in a slump as were the 1925 Yankees as a team at the time. Pipp washitting .230 for the season, about 70 points lower than he averaged the previous 7 seasons It was Ruth's least productive year as a Yankee. He only played in 98 games. The Yankees were near the cellar. The day Gehrig started for Pipp, Miller Huggins shook up his lineup sitting two other slumping veterans at 2nd base and at catcher. Gehrig was 10 years younger than Pipp and was the Yankees future. Pipp had lead the AL in homers in 1915 with 12 and 9 respectively. Pipp had 3 HRs in 62 games when he sat down. Gehrig hit 20 HRs 126 games that year (He was a pinch hitter, part time player before playing the last 92 games in place of Pipp). Three years later Pipp was out of baseball.



Regardless of the mixup (or misquote) in roles, real or myth, the Gehrig/Pipp story is about the guy on the end of the bench that maximized his chance when he got it. Kudos to Kelly for using it to motivate two guys, the one who got in (after enduring a HS back injury and subsequent surgery) and the other one, who was taken off the field by medical personnel and has shown intestinal fortitude through 2 knee surgeries and can still run down a DB for TD saving tackle.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Regardless of the mixup (or misquote) in roles, real or myth, the Gehrig/Pipp story is about the guy on the end of the bench that maximized his chance when he got it. Kudos to Kelly for using it to motivate two guys, the one who got in (after enduring a HS back injury and subsequent surgery) and the other one, who was taken off the field by medical personnel and has shown intestinal fortitude through 2 knee surgeries and can still run down a DB for TD saving tackle.

I'll buy all of that.

 

[ACamp1900]

Any thread that gets into baseball history and mentions the My Main Man Lou Gehrig gets the official ACamp seal of approval fo sho.

 

[kmoose]

seriously??? with our depth there?? I would be worried if there were talk of Robby right now.

I'm still not sold on the quality of depth, at WR. So far, Floyd is the only WR that has shown that he is a solid D-IA starter. I don't count Rudolph, because he is a TE. Other than Floyd, who do we have that would be a starter on any Top 15 team?

 

[BGIF]

I'm still not sold on the quality of depth, at WR. So far, Floyd is the only WR that has shown that he is a solid D-IA starter. I don't count Rudolph, because he is a TE. Other than Floyd, who do we have that would be a starter on any Top 15 team?

Phil Steele lists ND with the #7 Top Receivers and he includes TEs. Obviously you have a better grasp on player's abilities than he and his staff have.


As for your Top 15 Unnamed Team's receivers, that's your exercise. Why don't you do so legwork for a change.

 

[rogosIRISH77]

I'm still not sold on the quality of depth, at WR. So far, Floyd is the only WR that has shown that he is a solid D-IA starter. I don't count Rudolph, because he is a TE. Other than Floyd, who do we have that would be a starter on any Top 15 team?

how is floyd a "solid d-1 starter"? he is a phenom! outside of his injury he has been nothing but a human highlight reel. if dayne crist turns out to be alright, floyd's abilities will have him as a fromtrunner for the billetnikoff (sp?) award. rudolph is also a proven talent. and why wouldn't you count him?? you could make an argument for kamara being a d-1 starter but he was always injured. bottom line is we are deep on wr based on recruiting hype. these guys were legit in hs. charlie couldnt develop shit or coach a team, so if kelly is the guy and his offense works here, the wr position will be a strong suit for us.

 

[Riddickulous]

how is floyd a "solid d-1 starter"? he is a phenom! outside of his injury he has been nothing but a human highlight reel. if dayne crist turns out to be alright, floyd's abilities will have him as a fromtrunner for the billetnikoff (sp?) award. rudolph is also a proven talent. and why wouldn't you count him?? you could make an argument for kamara being a d-1 starter but he was always injured. bottom line is we are deep on wr based on recruiting hype. these guys were legit in hs. charlie couldnt develop shit or coach a team, so if kelly is the guy and his offense works here, the wr position will be a strong suit for us.

Duval's "injury" is his apparently poor work ethic and terrible on-field performance (aside from Boston College, where he put up 60 yards).

Now statement number two ("They were sweet coming out of high school") is, IMO, a bad argument as to why we have a great receiving corps. Based on recruiting hype, James Aldridge was a great running back. They need to show it on the field before anyone believes.

 

[kmoose]

how is floyd a "solid d-1 starter"? he is a phenom! outside of his injury he has been nothing but a human highlight reel. if dayne crist turns out to be alright, floyd's abilities will have him as a fromtrunner for the billetnikoff (sp?) award. rudolph is also a proven talent. and why wouldn't you count him?? you could make an argument for kamara being a d-1 starter but he was always injured. bottom line is we are deep on wr based on recruiting hype. these guys were legit in hs. charlie couldnt develop shit or coach a team, so if kelly is the guy and his offense works here, the wr position will be a strong suit for us.

1. I never said that Floyd has only shown "D-IA starter" talent. I merely said that none of the other receivers have. It was not a knock on Floyd. He's obviously proven himself to be a great talent.

2. You can't start if you are injured. I'm tired of hearing the injury excuse for Kamara. Micheal Floyd has been injured, too, and much more seriously than Kamara.

3. We have been deep at TB, based on recruiting hype, for a couple of years now. How's that working for us? I don't care about recruiting hype, once the kids get on campus. They can either play D-IA football at a high level, or they can't.

4. People said that Willingham was a lousy coach, and that Weis would bring the program back to glory. How about we let Kelly coach a full season before we annoint him a great coach?