Golic and Yeatman arrested

[realitycheck]

Sounds like South Bend cops are a bit overzealous

37 underage drinking arrests including Irish Football and Lacrosse players / Your Severe Weather Station, South Bend, Indiana News, Weather, Sports, Notre Dame News, StormTeam 16

 

[phork]

Yoinks.

 

[NDOM]

If this is true then Yeatman needs to be kicked out of school. Golic Jr? Ouch! His dad is gonna kill him if this is the case. I hope this is false.

 

[beatrizandjess]

Sounds like the police in South Bend need something better to do then arrest under age college drinkers.

 

[dylan020]

wow, c'mon now....who the hell DOESNT drink underage in college????? this is just exploiting plain and simple...need to give it a rest

 

[ARALOU]

OH NO! College kids drinking on a saturday night? What is this world coming to? C'mon, I know its a no-no but lets be realistic. I can quote the age old saying, "if you are old enough to die for your country you should be old enough to drink". It could be worse, it aint drugs and it aint like it has not gone on for the entire history of higher education. Cant the South Bend cops find a better way to handle that or could it be getting out of hand and they have no choice? Dont you just love the era of instant information?

 

[jonesman]

I do not know all the details, but sounds like the cops are getting a bit crazy about this. I will say that Yeatman is probably done at ND if this is the case. Two issues in one year. He is as good as gone. Well, now we are down to two true freshmen and a converted FB for TE's.

 

[SteveM]

SBPD Does Mayberry

SBPD Does Mayberry

Agree with all the guys here.

Setting up under-age drinking "stings" in a college town!

What, were they behind on their quotas of parking tickets?

Even the Yeatman kid. Maybe he does have a problem, I don't know. But DUI is a luck of the draw thing. How many of us could have been stood up on the same charge but we didn't get caught? And then still went out and had beers with the boys the next weekend?

Frankly, when I was in school (West Philly, everybody had a baseball bat next to their bed in case uninvited "guests" showed up through a window), there was an rough, unspoken understanding about drinking on campus. Even the cops looked out for us. Better a kid stumbles home on foot to his rodent infested apartment than get in a car and drive from here to eternity.

SteveM

 

[Irish Rogue]

Let's not get out of hand here. Yes they made a mistake, but this is a far cry from the criminal element at" THUG U", "Pennitentry State", Nebraska, Ohio Correctional St, and Nebraska Reform school to name a few. Perhalps a half game suspension, would suffice for a minor infraction as this. The school should not get carried away on this one.

 

[Junkhead]

They said the neighbors complained about noise repeatedly. That area is near-ghetto. I didn't think anyone cared around there.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

there's no reason yeatman should be booted from sports or school. he'll pay his dues again. and MIP is not a big deal at all. there's no way this kid is crazier than i was and i turned out just fine. NO WAY they give him the boot. just the doghouse.

 

[mick2]

you know what they say? if your football players are starting to get in trouble than your football team is starting to get good!!!

 

[Junkhead]

you know what they say? if your football players are starting to get in trouble than your football team is starting to get good!!!

Or they are drinking away their sorrows as us fans do during and after the games. Hell, Golic looks 30 years old with that beard anyway.

 

[Steve]

i know underage drinking in college isn't really that big of an issue, but this happened at the worst time. the loss to michigan state, the laptop story and now this. just a tough weekend.

 

[alleycat9]

the issue here is yeatman just got in alcohol related trouble months ago.

my other issue is that this happened after a loss, maybe if he had played a little harder he wouldnt have had the energy to go out drinking afterwards? seems like mr yeatman may be more worried about having a good time than being a good football player. and for that reason he can be dismissed in my eyes. shit they should be sitting down some of these "talented" kids who dont play hard and have passion. i know there were plenty of guys back years ago that were highly recruited that didnt play because of this reason. maybe just maybe that would get some of these others going a little bit better.

 

[NDMontana]

Sounds like South Bend cops are a bit overzealous

37 underage drinking arrests including Irish Football and Lacrosse players / Your Severe Weather Station, South Bend, Indiana News, Weather, Sports, Notre Dame News, StormTeam 16

Laptops, college kids drinking, what other non-story does the press want to blow out of proportion?
This isn't a big deal. Maybe the kids will get a symbolic suspension. They're probably sorry they didn't go to Florida or USC where the cops provide the beer for the football players or maybe they'll be happy later in life when they realize that they recieved a great education and learned how to be men.

 

[SteveM]

Getting a Grip

Getting a Grip

the issue here is yeatman just got in alcohol related trouble months ago.

my other issue is that this happened after a loss, maybe if he had played a little harder he wouldnt have had the energy to go out drinking afterwards? seems like mr yeatman may be more worried about having a good time than being a good football player. and for that reason he can be dismissed in my eyes. shit they should be sitting down some of these "talented" kids who dont play hard and have passion. i know there were plenty of guys back years ago that were highly recruited that didnt play because of this reason. maybe just maybe that would get some of these others going a little bit better.

Looks like this thread bifurcated into two subtexts. The first is the overzealous, dopey South Bend cops. Agreed - probably the case. Table this.

The other subtext is in-season drinking by the players. Here's the way I see it.

The issue should be handled in-house, by the players as much as possible. If there is an individual player on the team who is noticeably abusing alcohol, the captains should have a sit down with him and tell him what's what and invite him to get some counseling if he thinks he needs it.

If sloppiness and excessive drinking are becoming normative across the squad, the captains have to step up and address it collectively. Call a players-only team meeting and put their cards on the table. And again, invite guys generally who may have a problem to get some counseling.

Lastly, college was fun. But for a lot of kids, drinking did become destructive. Whether ball players or not, awareness and support is a good thing.

SteveM

 

[HeavenKnows]

I feel bad about that post. It should have been edited. I will say this about Will Yeatman and the football team. Will is not the only football player, athlete, or student who was drinking after that game. If Will is punished, the football team, the LaCrosse team, and the student body will no doubt be very, very upset.

Will Yeatman plays his heart out and has the utmost respect of his team mates. Make no mistake about that!!!!!!!

 

[SoCalDomer]

I feel bad about that post. It should have been edited.

i've posted more than my share of posts that i later went back to edit. making the mistake is one thing. our attitudes in realizing the mistake is the right one to have. thanks HK

 

[SteveM]

Make Mine O'Doul's

Make Mine O'Doul's

My brother played D-IA ball at Villanova (when it was still IA). And I went to all the games. Of course the guys drank (me with them). Whether they won or lost, they were beat up and exhausted.

Their conversations were a replay of the game. The beer just enabled that. Nobody was tossing chairs through windows. Police doing the legal beat down on guys with draft cards who can get sent to Iraq makes no sense to me.

And friends not stepping in to help a guy when he's gone over the edge alcohol wise makes no sense to me either.

I know there all kinds of shades of gray about parties and stuff. But the absolutism of some of the temperance nuts rubs me the wrong way.

SteveM

P.S. Hah! This thread just made me think about my brother's team beating BC at home. We were in his dorm room (drinking beer) and a bunch of loaded, crazed, happy non-player guys zipped by in the hallway with the cross bar over their shoulders.

 

[SoCalDomer]

bad news. apparently Yeatman is getting additional charges added to his underage drinking: resisting arrest and providing false information to a police officer.

the is bad, especially since his deal on the DUI probably required no trouble for at least 1-year.

chances are the deal he got on the DUi will now be revoked since he violated the terms.

 

[SteveM]

It's a Shame

It's a Shame

bad news. apparently Yeatman is getting additional charges added to his underage drinking: resisting arrest and providing false information to a police officer.

the is bad, especially since his deal on the DUI probably required no trouble for at least 1-year.

chances are the deal he got on the DUi will now be revoked since he violated the terms.

Like I said,

"And friends not stepping in to help a guy when he's gone over the edge alcohol wise makes no sense to me either."

We can only hope and pray that he walks out of this mess a complete and better person. God bless him.

SteveM

 

[goldandblue]

This sucks.

 

[Junkhead]

bad news. apparently Yeatman is getting additional charges added to his underage drinking: resisting arrest and providing false information to a police officer.

He probably figured he was screwed at that point.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

As much as it would be good to keep this and deal with it in house, this may be out of the team's hands. If this violated the terms of his previous charge and those charges are reinstated along with any new ones, the coaches and team may not have any choice in terms of what happens to Will.

I agree drinking in college is overblown. However, Will knew he had to stay out of trouble for one year. Didn't his scholarship, status with his teams, and future matter more than having a couple of drinks after the game? He could have still gone to the party, but don't be in possession or under the influence. If you have a previous charge a few months ago, you don't just do the bare minimum, you go above and beyond to make sure you don't jeopardize your future and you keep your commitments to your teammates.

 

[SteveM]

Knowing Right From Stupid

Knowing Right From Stupid

As much as it would be good to keep this and deal with it in house, this may be out of the team's hands. If this violated the terms of his previous charge and those charges are reinstated along with any new ones, the coaches and team may not have any choice in terms of what happens to Will.

I agree drinking in college is overblown. However, Will knew he had to stay out of trouble for one year. Didn't his scholarship, status with his teams, and future matter more than having a couple of drinks after the game? He could have still gone to the party, but don't be in possession or under the influence. If you have a previous charge a few months ago, you don't just do the bare minimum, you go above and beyond to make sure you don't jeopardize your future and you keep your commitments to your teammates.

GI,

Hah! You didn't get "all blowed up real good" by your MSU neighbor!" (However if his wife sends over brownies, have the dog taste them first.)

You are entirely correct about Yeatman. I'm not discounting his obvious mistakes. With age comes responsibilities. I hope this does not screw up his life, but yeah, he should have known better.

SteveM

P.S. The one aspect of my youthful vigor I was happy to see atrophy was beer muscles.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

SteveM,

No, I did not get blowed up, but I was a little leary this morning when I went out to start my car before work.

Let me ask you this, do you think it was entirely his fault, or should at least a little culpability be placed on the coaches and other support staff to make sure he was crystal clear what another violation would entail? I am not saying they didn't do that, but the fact that he slipped up again would possibly lead one to believe it was not made clear enough what the ramifications would be. The other possibility would be that probably did happen, but he chose to disregard those warnings anyway which makes this situation even more egregious.

 

[SoCalDomer]

i can't answer whether the staff explained the ramifications to Yeatman or not, but I can guarantee the judge who approved his DUI probation did. as did the probation officer he was assigned. a plea like that would also require he sign forms that spell it out so clearly a Miami football player would understand what would happen to the charges if he gets in trouble with the law agains while on probation. if he had an attorney, i bet that attorney put it in writing clear as day as to what would happen if he violated probation as well.

 

[Bubba]

SteveM,

No, I did not get blowed up, but I was a little leary this morning when I went out to start my car before work.

Let me ask you this, do you think it was entirely his fault, or should at least a little culpability be placed on the coaches and other support staff to make sure he was crystal clear what another violation would entail? I am not saying they didn't do that, but the fact that he slipped up again would possibly lead one to believe it was not made clear enough what the ramifications would be. The other possibility would be that probably did happen, but he chose to disregard those warnings anyway which makes this situation even more egregious.

GI, If I may answer as well....

While serving as a Flight Chief in the Air Force, I can recall many, many times where airmen (mostly between 18-24) under my authority would have clearly defined ramifications for actions that failed to keep them from doing what they want to in their spare time. From drinking under-age to driving without car insurance to being late for work. There comes a time when an individual needs to be responsible for themselves and their own actions. If he didn't value what he has earned (scholorship, etc...) enough to stay out of trouble after the first arrest, then that's too bad.

 

[SteveM]

College Constancy

College Constancy

SteveM,

No, I did not get blowed up, but I was a little leary this morning when I went out to start my car before work.

Let me ask you this, do you think it was entirely his fault, or should at least a little culpability be placed on the coaches and other support staff to make sure he was crystal clear what another violation would entail? I am not saying they didn't do that, but the fact that he slipped up again would possibly lead one to believe it was not made clear enough what the ramifications would be. The other possibility would be that probably did happen, but he chose to disregard those warnings anyway which makes this situation even more egregious.

GI,

If he was counseled, he bears all of the responsibility apart from perhaps the pointless police bust-up of the party. Kids think they are indestructible and can finesse their way out of anything. If Yeatman dared the system and got caught, he joins billions of others on the ash heap of stupidity.

Again, maybe coaches have played a formal role already, but it's his team mates that lived with him day in and day out. If he got an attitude thing going when he drank too much, the other guys would have see that. And if they saw it enough, they surely started talking among themselves. The team-centric question is if any other players personally challenged him on his dedication to himself and to the team.

Lastly, I know I conflate kid and adult in this thread. I think "students" should be permitted to drink. But there's still a lot of "kid" left in these young adults. And some of them get caught up in the party zone before they realize how badly it's captured them. So ramifications become really obscure to them.

Where does Yeatman fit in this? I surely can't tell. But he won't be the first whose parents came and tossed his stuff in the car and drove away. And he won't be the last.

SteveM