The Pete Bevacqua Thread

[greyhammer90]

Ah ok, is that why some are speculating that a Freeman extension will be announced tomorrow? Hope it's more than that and people actually know shit...

I think we were all hoping that you knew shit

 

[RDU Irish]

USC + Stanford
BYU + Utah
Vandy + Texas
ND + Michigan
FSU + Clemson

That would be one hell of a 9 game schedule - Stanford can pound sand but nice to have one Arkansas thrown in there I guess.

 

[OrlaNDomer]

Football decoupling from other sports is the only way this works. You know these people hate sending women's rugby 3000 miles on a Tuesday b/c TV reach for football drives everything.

The minute you get FSU/Clemson you have your pick of the rest of the ACC, as much as I hate Miami, they are a logical partner and turning into a hot rivalry. An independent alliance of 7-9 teams becomes pretty compelling with 6-8 games set against respectable names.

BYU/USC/Vandy would be my other targets. Maybe Texas sees value controlling their destiny with ample brand to carry

I just think most teams are devoted to half their schedule being garbage to pad stats that they like perception of "toughness" beating up on Arkansas and Purdue that they wouldn't want that many tough games in a season.

Getting FSU and Clemson to go Independent could create a ripple effect that would destroy the super conferences. Big10 and SEC have strong programs at the top but they have so much useless weight at the bottom. Why pay $90M/school to Big10 to fill 3 timeslots a week when you could pay 3 programs $100M each and get guaranteed brand names on every timeslot. Move other sports to Big East.

 

[thekid33]

An "association" of independents of the biggest brands would be sick.

ND, Michigan (they were pretty unhappy with the idea of the B1G private equity deal), FSU, Clemson & Miami would be a good starting point.

You would need 2-3 more to be able to get enough games that you could then fill-in the schedule with teams that remain in the power conferences and to make it so that it allows for a national schedule.

So....

West Coast Pod:

• USC
• Oregon

Midwest Pod

• ND
• Michigan

Deep South Pod

• Texas
• Clemson

Florida Pod

• FSU
• Miami

That gives everyone 7 games. Their rivalry games (ND v. Navy, Michigan v. Ohio St., etc.) gets everyone to 8 games. 4 games left to schedule other marque games. Or, find 1-2 more schools to join so it's only 2-3 remaining games that need to be filled-in.

 

[KMac151993]

USC + Stanford
BYU + Utah
Vandy + Clemson
ND + Michigan
FSU + Miami

Exclusively on NBC and Peacock...triple header each weekend with 2 noon kicks, 2 3:30 PM kicks, and one prime time match up. Also, preserves some traditional rivalries (The Holy War, Wide Right, etc.).

 

[thekid33]

I see that @RDU Irish and I have similar ideas. I like adding BYU as they have historically been independent.

 

[pumpdog20]

Why aren't we getting anything from our HC yet?

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Why aren't we getting anything from our HC yet?

What do you want him to say?

 

[NotKoon]

08 do you have an inside source on this or are you just wish casting? We’ve all been through enough so if it’s the latter just put it out there

 

[pumpdog20]

What do you want him to say?

Wait... the HC gets a pass from being in public during all this?

 

[thekid33]

I'm guessing that Pete wants to be the voice right now. Allows MF to focus on the team and starting to prepare for next year.

Why aren't we getting anything from our HC yet?

 

[sfk324]

Getting FSU and Clemson to go Independent could create a ripple effect that would destroy the super conferences. Big10 and SEC have strong programs at the top but they have so much useless weight at the bottom. Why pay $90M/school to Big10 to fill 3 timeslots a week when you could pay 3 programs $100M each and get guaranteed brand names on every timeslot. Move other sports to Big East.

No it wouldn't. The SEC and Big10 already told them they weren't interested before this season. Another year of dumpster fire football from both isn't changing that calculus. They are non entities for those conferences. Having numbers is nice, but if the numbers don't include any power players, it just becomes background noise. For the same reason, getting buy-in from a school like BYU would be nice, but not a mover.

The ultimate issues is that you need to figure out how to get movement to your side from members of either of the P2 conferences.

To the extent the P2 have any issues big enough to have made it into the public, it's the Big10 decision to take PE money: how big of a wedge that becomes with Michigan and Southern Cal, if those two can pick up any additional support from within the conference, and added to the clear view of the national media that they are the little brother conference compared to the SEC (B10 is top heavy, but no mention of the logjam of good teams being cast in the media as juggernauts without any pushback), despite the results of the last 2 years. Can these things be parlayed into an argument that this system is garbage and they should join us in finding a new path? NBC would be wise to perk up a bit and point out these issues to their new college football partner if they want to keep or add value to that contract.

 

[ACamp1900]

So did he bring up the conflict with sec/espn?? Or dance around it

 

[RDU Irish]

An "association" of independents of the biggest brands would be sick.

ND, Michigan (they were pretty unhappy with the idea of the B1G private equity deal), FSU, Clemson & Miami would be a good starting point.

You would need 2-3 more to be able to get enough games that you could then fill-in the schedule with teams that remain in the power conferences and to make it so that it allows for a national schedule.

So....

West Coast Pod:

• USC
• Oregon

Midwest Pod

• ND
• Michigan

Deep South Pod

• Texas
• Clemson

Florida Pod

• FSU
• Miami

That gives everyone 7 games. Their rivalry games (ND v. Navy, Michigan v. Ohio St., etc.) gets everyone to 8 games. 4 games left to schedule other marque games. Or, find 1-2 more schools to join so it's only 2-3 remaining games that need to be filled-in.

Mountain pod - nine game schedule with 3 OOC open spots.
BYU
Boise State

Add D2 with relegation
Utah/ASU
Vandy/Louisville
Wake Forest/UVA
UCF/Georgia Tech
Pitt/Va Tech

IMO Territory doesn't really matter for football only - travel is an Olympic sport problem more than football.

Problem is this would be too damn difficult of a schedule for all involved. 6-3 in any given year would be an accomplishment.

 

[phillyirish]

Lots of weird speculations, wishful thinking going on in here. ND isn’t convincing anyone else to go independent for our benefit.

 

[IrishLax]

Football decoupling from other sports is the only way this works. You know these people hate sending women's rugby 3000 miles on a Tuesday b/c TV reach for football drives everything.

The minute you get FSU/Clemson you have your pick of the rest of the ACC, as much as I hate Miami, they are a logical partner and turning into a hot rivalry. An independent alliance of 7-9 teams becomes pretty compelling with 6-8 games set against respectable names.

BYU/USC/Vandy would be my other targets. Maybe Texas sees value controlling their destiny with ample brand to carry

I just think most teams are devoted to half their schedule being garbage to pad stats that they like perception of "toughness" beating up on Arkansas and Purdue that they wouldn't want that many tough games in a season.

I think the only realistic move until other stuff gets sorted is to sue to decouple from the ACC -> move all non-revenue sports to the Big East (which is a non-football league with competitive basketball and Catholic schools).

Then you run into a very real issue with trying to build a 12 game schedule on the fly and probably get stuck playing 4+ G5 teams in 2027. All of your September games are spoken for, you probably have to negotiate with USC for a Week 0 game. Then you have Michigan State, Purdue, Auburn, and Navy. Maybe you hold onto the Clemson game despite breaking with ACC. That gets you to 6 games with 1x G5. You add 2x more G5 that's 8. Where are you getting the other 4x Power Four games in October/November without advanced notice?

So it's not a good situation for anyone.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Wait... the HC gets a pass from being in public during all this?

He doesn't need to be public about this. Let the AD fight the battles necessary and let Freeman focus on coaching, recruiting, the portal, etc.

 

[OrlaNDomer]

Lots of weird speculations, wishful thinking going on in here. ND isn’t convincing anyone else to go independent for our benefit.

FSU and Clemson have already made it clear they want out of the ACC, but it isn't obvious that the Big10 or SEC will take them. If ND could help get them a deal with NBC similar to ND's why not consider it? Improve SoS, more money, and don't have to abide by your ACC lessors decisions. I think BYU would prefer to be independent if it was a viable option for them. No shot in hell a Big 10 or SEC team leaves to go indy without major issues arising.

 

[OrlaNDomer]

I think the only realistic move until other stuff gets sorted is to sue to decouple from the ACC -> move all non-revenue sports to the Big East (which is a non-football league with competitive basketball and Catholic schools).

Then you run into a very real issue with trying to build a 12 game schedule on the fly and probably get stuck playing 4+ G5 teams in 2027. All of your September games are spoken for, you probably have to negotiate with USC for a Week 0 game. Then you have Michigan State, Purdue, Auburn, and Navy. Maybe you hold onto the Clemson game despite breaking with ACC. That gets you to 6 games with 1x G5. You add 2x more G5 that's 8. Where are you getting the other 4x Power Four games in October/November without advanced notice?

So it's not a good situation for anyone.

Well there would be 5 ACC teams with new holes in the schedule... just play them outside of the ACC deal.

 

[MPClinton22]

FSU and Clemson have already made it clear they want out of the ACC, but it isn't obvious that the Big10 or SEC will take them. If ND could help get them a deal with NBC similar to ND's why not consider it? Improve SoS, more money, and don't have to abide by your ACC lessors decisions. I think BYU would prefer to be independent if it was a viable option for them. No shot in hell a Big 10 or SEC team leaves to go indy without major issues arising.

BYU's feelings about this all are very interesting to me - they won 11 games, lost twice to a top 4 team, and dropped in the rankings while Bama stayed put. The Big 12 is doing them no favors, although it's a good home for their basketball which they're putting some money into.

 

[ozzman]

So did he bring up the conflict with sec/espn?? Or dance around it

He subtly said this of the process...

 

[OrlaNDomer]

BYU's feelings about this all are very interesting to me - they won 11 games, lost twice to a top 4 team, and dropped in the rankings while Bama stayed put. The Big 12 is doing them no favors, although it's a good home for their basketball which they're putting some money into.

Regardless of BYU staying in Big 12 I feel confident in saying they would be happy to schedule ND to a long-term deal. I think this would be good for both schools. We need long-term deals and both teams could use SoS help.

 

[RDU Irish]

He subtly said this of the process...

Equivocated for 50 seconds before saying the interesting thing "5th grade musical chairs" - better persuasion is open with musical chairs, blather for 50 seconds and close with musical chairs. Only ND fans are still listening after the first 50 seconds of blathering.

 

[FOTY977]

I'm guessing that Pete wants to be the voice right now. Allows MF to focus on the team and starting to prepare for next year.

Absolutely—Freeman needs to be overtime with players, recruits and staff. 100% the right way to split this up.

 

[IrishLax]

Well there would be 5 ACC teams with new holes in the schedule... just play them outside of the ACC deal.

One thing I do know for an absolute fact is that basically all of the ACC coaches want out of the ND scheduling agreement and loathe playing ND. They are being forced to do it because the league needed the TV inventory but they think it adds a loss and that the matchup is all downside in the current 12 team CFP era. So I doubt people are signing up for October and November games on a whim short of being told by the conference that they have to. It's no different than Lincoln Riley's logic of "I already play 9 Big Ten games why do I have to play another OOC with a 75%+ chance of losing when Indiana schedules three cupcakes?"

 

[FOTY977]

Wait... the HC gets a pass from being in public during all this?

He’s not “getting a pass” he’s keeping the damn ship together from the inside.

 

[NorthDakota]

Regardless of BYU staying in Big 12 I feel confident in saying they would be happy to schedule ND to a long-term deal. I think this would be good for both schools. We need long-term deals and both teams could use SoS help.

I don't think BYU can leave the Big 12 at this point. They already have a hard enough time getting people to go to Provo. If they leave the Big 12, they will have burnt bridges with basically every FBS team west of the Mississippi river.

 

[pumpdog20]

FSU and Clemson have already made it clear they want out of the ACC, but it isn't obvious that the Big10 or SEC will take them. If ND could help get them a deal with NBC similar to ND's why not consider it? Improve SoS, more money, and don't have to abide by your ACC lessors decisions. I think BYU would prefer to be independent if it was a viable option for them. No shot in hell a Big 10 or SEC team leaves to go indy without major issues arising.

Sorry, but this is bizzarro land. We're talking Clemson and FSU here.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Finally got to listen to the interview. I thought it was about as much as you can expect him to say while keeping his cards close to the vest. I really liked the explanation of the team's decision to sit out the postseason exhibition season. Feel terrible for the players just heartbroken

 

[RDU Irish]

One thing I do know for an absolute fact is that basically all of the ACC coaches want out of the ND scheduling agreement and loathe playing ND. They are being forced to do it because the league needed the TV inventory but they think it adds a loss and that the matchup is all downside in the current 12 team CFP era. So I doubt people are signing up for October and November games on a whim short of being told by the conference that they have to. It's no different than Lincoln Riley's logic of "I already play 9 Big Ten games why do I have to play another OOC with a 75%+ chance of losing when Indiana schedules three cupcakes?"

Having been to Duke, UNC, Wake Forest and NC State games - only NC State sells their stadium without ND on the schedule. Every other team has $100-$200 season tickets that only sell out if ND is coming to town. Their football atmosphere is terrible. Coaches may not like a reminder of how bush league they are but ADs like the $$ not just of the contract but the cheeks in seats and ability to bundle shitty tickets with ND to pretend they sold something that year. Look at the empty ACC CCG stadium in Charlotte with Duke and UVA - basketball schools first.