Chris "Belt To" Ash - Defensive Coordinator

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Considering the collective waste of talent/opportunity, what's more egregious - Ash with the current collective or BVG with Jaylen Smith?
 
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ThePiombino said:
Considering the collective waste of talent/opportunity, what's more egregious - Ash with the current collective or BVG with Jaylen Smith?
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Ash. BVG inherited a solid unit with a few bright spots. Ash inherited a defense that was a top 2 or 3 unit in CFB and have driven them into a ditch all while having a "future DC in waiting" on staff and the defensive minded HC.
 
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I think the Al Golden was/is an in-game management genius, knowing that he could take his well-coached, smart, high-energy guys and fly them around the field in ways which changed the LOOK of things slightly every time and made the opponent uneasy or downright panicked. It was high risk/high reward, and he was/is great at it. It also was/is a pretty unique DC talent/holistic genius which guys like Ash or Van Gorder or even the never-changing Clock Maker Diaco (who could build a perfect clock but never adjust it) do not have even a clue. (In a different "vision" I believe that Clark Lea also has this sort of gift, and so does Elko.)

Golden not only could coach and fire-up individuals (who love to engage in slobber-knocking success) but mess with the brains of opponent coaches and players down by down. Golden's defense wasn't just one thing. It was a wild hunting herd of velociraptors who might sometimes get beat, but mostly feed on the corpses of bad opponent play. It was ALIVE and deadly.

Ash seems just dead and waiting to react to bad things happening. Van Gorder was alive but clueless as to what just happened to him. Diaco was a robot with a killer machine capable of being out-thought by creativity. Of these three, I dislike Ash's version of DCing most. The other two guys were at least generally entertaining (and Diaco's machine could beat most and at least be admired in its impressive pieces.) .... None of those guys had any real genius. Golden does. We need a genius if we're going to win BIG. Or, we need everybody to be Leonard Moore, as a few well-known teams have every other year.
 
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Old Man Mike said:
I think the Al Golden was/is an in-game management genius, knowing that he could take his well-coached, smart, high-energy guys and fly them around the field in ways which changed the LOOK of things slightly every time and made the opponent uneasy or downright panicked. It was high risk/high reward, and he was/is great at it. It also was/is a pretty unique DC talent/holistic genius which guys like Ash or Van Gorder or even the never-changing Clock Maker Diaco (who could build a perfect clock but never adjust it) do not have even a clue. (In a different "vision" I believe that Clark Lea also has this sort of gift, and so does Elko.)

Golden not only could coach and fire-up individuals (who love to engage in slobber-knocking success) but mess with the brains of opponent coaches and players down by down. Golden's defense wasn't just one thing. It was a wild hunting herd of velociraptors who might sometimes get beat, but mostly feed on the corpses of bad opponent play. It was ALIVE and deadly.

Ash seems just dead and waiting to react to bad things happening. Van Gorder was alive but clueless as to what just happened to him. Diaco was a robot with a killer machine capable of being out-thought by creativity. Of these three, I dislike Ash's version of DCing most. The other two guys were at least generally entertaining (and Diaco's machine could beat most and at least be admired in its impressive pieces.) .... None of those guys had any real genius. Golden does. We need a genius if we're going to win BIG. Or, we need everybody to be Leonard Moore, as a few well-known teams have every other year.
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We also don't seem to have any real identity. I don't even know what Ash is trying to do or his general philosophy of defense. Diaco was bend but don't break, limit explosive plays, stop the run at all costs. Golden wanted to create havoc and confuse the other team. What is Ash even trying to do?
 
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Do you actually not understand how to deal with that or are you being troll?
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Lax I respect you but knock it off. Either spell it out or don’t respond. But you’ve said I don’t know ball and then you steamrolled me with a non answer and now you’re calling me a troll. I posted a factual stat. Teams are targeting Hobbs. That’s it. He goes on the field, other team has thrown at him. You’ve responded with the above.

Tell me what I don’t what I don’t know about football as to stopping teams from targeting Hobbs. Ignore results. How do you get Shannon Dawson and Collin Klein to not throw at their slot WR?
 
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The prevent defense with six seconds left and Texas A&M only needing ten or so yards to kick a field goal was... insane. I'm sure you all could see it from your respective coaches, too. Thats the first time I said "Is Ash actually a fucking idiot?"

Going forward, I expect the DL to get more pressure on teams. Texas A&M and Miami both have massive OL. Purdue, etc won't be as good.

I think Ash played more zone because of Texas A&M's burner speed and the lack of a pass rush. You can have a top 10 DB corp, but if the mobile quarterback has 3, 4, 5 seconds in the pocket to throw... it's just not going to matter. Ash opted to spy KVA instead of send him, more often than not. Although he did blitz six and they still didn't get home a few times, too.

So basically I'm not ready to tarmac Ash, I think this team can go 10-2. The improvements in the second half from the atrocious first half are clearly a sign that these are not high school JV coaches.
 
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BilboBaggins said:
Going forward, I expect the DL to get more pressure on teams. Texas A&M and Miami both have massive OL. Purdue, etc won't be as good.

I think Ash played more zone because of Texas A&M's burner speed and the lack of a pass rush. You can have a top 10 DB corp, but if the mobile quarterback has 3, 4, 5 seconds in the pocket to throw... it's just not going to matter. Ash opted to spy KVA instead of send him, more often than not. Although he did blitz six and they still didn't get home a few times, too.

So basically I'm not ready to tarmac Ash, I think this team can go 10-2. The improvements in the second half from the atrocious first half are clearly a sign that these are not high school JV coaches.
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No they won't, but the teams we (expected to) face in the playoffs will be.
To get so little pressure, so few TFLs, over two games, is not OK no matter who we're playing, and then also, like you say, it puts too much pressure on DBs who, in some cases, are not as good as the ones we had last year. We did play better in the second half of both games, but that needs to happen faster. And, in both games, we gave up game-losing final drives.
I don't think it'll happen but I'd be fine canning Ash this afternoon and promoting Mickens or hiring someone else.
 
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No they won't, but the teams we (expected to) face in the playoffs will be.
To get so little pressure, so few TFLs, over two games, is not OK no matter who we're playing, and then also, like you say, it puts too much pressure on DBs who, in some cases, are not as good as the ones we had last year. We did play better in the second half of both games, but that needs to happen faster. And, in both games, we gave up game-losing final drives.
I don't think it'll happen but I'd be fine canning Ash this afternoon and promoting Mickens or hiring someone else.
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I don't disagree one bit. 4 TFLs in two games is a joke.

I don't know if that is talent or scheme.
 
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Classy to Assy. All of our assistants have intimate knowledge of Goldens scheme and so do most of our players. Time to revert back and at least give Mickens a shot at playcalling. Everything just looks disjointed out there.
 
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IrishLax said:
And none of this shit is relevant to the fact that we spent 6+ months making structural changes to the defense that clearly aren't being executed well and aren't working. Those are the facts.

Does anyone honestly think if Golden was still running the show he would have Hobbs this unready to play? Or that we wouldn't have had the safety opposite Shuler not figured out? Mickens, Washington, all of these position coaches do NOT operate in a vacuum. It all flows downhill. Post-spring, everyone with their ears open heard the rumblings about the potential icebergs on the horizon and now we've hit them.
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These things are probably related. There are only so many hours of practice. When you have to spend them making big structural changes, you can't spend as much getting the little, fundamental things right.
 
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I just hope the media gives us the “new team” treatment when we fire Ash and go on a run just like they do when a backup QB gets hot
 
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NDisme said:
Where is Merck I need some dirt on what the locker room is like and what is going on with Ash
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A different insider type guy on 247 said some things. Basically players have not bought into Ash and it’s not a good situation. This guy has been wrong before though. But also right a lot.
 
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A lot of that seems valid and I understand. But I'll say, if Carr hasn't validated himself in the eyes of the players after the last two games then they're just being crybabies. Maybe they "wanted" Minchey but you know what? They can stop crying about that and start fucking tackling. They should be forced to watch that abomination of a tackling attempt on the Aggies first TD over and over again. Carr hasn't been the problem.
 
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If “the team” still isn’t fully behind Carr after the way he’s played after two games, then “the team” deserves the way this season may end up if they don’t turn it around.

Also, didn’t post this but last weekend for the Bryan/Gillis show CJ was at a tailgate literally right next to us…none of his teammates were there. It seemed like his high school group of friends from back home that made the trip over, but still seemed a tad odd. And no, he was not drinking.
 
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Irishdawg said:
Fair… 13 this year. 5 against Miami and 8 yesterday. Not sure it’s all the OL fault or play calling. Probably a mix of both!
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Probably Leonard making something into nothing and then remaking it into something. He was hard to tackle and given how much they ran and how good the OL played, the negative plays were minimized. With a better QB qua QB but not as a good a runner and a poor performing OL, negative plays will be more frequent. But then Carr can also make big throws and throw guys open, which Riley did not do with his arm.
 
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