Foolish you say in response to a 2008 post? And here I thought you’d been here for a while.
Notoriously your best WR’s come from Cali, Florida and Texas unless your Ohio State or Clemson you are gonna struggle landing the big boys from these 3 statesThere seems to be a variety issues. Besides the standard academic & geographical issues some top wr recruits may have with ND, you got guys like Mike Frank saying that Brown is just not great at recruiting. You have Prister, O'Malley & Brice more specifically saying that the on-field product (run-first, limited downfield passing attack offense) is not going to be attractive to recruits right now. Maybe both are correct.
Just trying to not put all the blame on Brown because I don’t think he deserves all of it the WR’s on the roster showed improvement now let’s hope the younger guys can take that next stepCounter Point: if they threw more for the sake of WR recruiting last year, they don’t make the natty or win two of the biggest games in the past 30 years.
I’d love better results in WR recruiting, but using hindsight to lament the lack of passing reps considering the season ND had is foolish
And how many of those guys are still around? Greathouse that’s it. Faison is an outliner because he was a walkonKeep in mind that Chansi landed 6 blue-chip WR recruits in 2 classes with Rees and Parker as his OC's. His coaching was an entirely different topic, but he had no problem landing quality WR recruits.
Keep in mind that Chansi landed 6 blue-chip WR recruits in 2 classes with Rees and Parker as his OC's. His coaching was an entirely different topic, but he had no problem landing quality WR recruits.
I go back to what ISD has said - Brown is in on very few guys. The board is quite small. We basically have the guys from Texas left. History says we aren’t getting all 3 of them recruiting is so much about relationships and brown seems really bad at it. Legitimately confused that Freeman would hire a wr coach who is bad at recruiting.Lol at yall calling for Browns head already. I'm sorry, but it's hard to recruit top level receivers with the anemic passing game that we've had the last 2 years. Thank god Porker is gone, and as much as I came to appreciate Riley, his arm alot of the times wasn't what we all hoped it would be. Until we actually throw the ball some and start putting up some good stats, this is what we will be dealt with
Coaches need to start expanding the board, Finley ends up at Texas, some guys I'd go hard after.
Travis Johnson
Ryelan Morris
Jabari Brady
Messiah Hampton
Luc Weaver
Payton Cook
Elias Coke
Corbin Glasco
Bardo
Ash Roberts
Jerquaden Guilford from FW
These are all guys rated higher than Faison according to 247.
Some others I'd take a look at
Jude Hall
BJ Garrett
SHAWN Fishwick
Kenyon Alston
Is it a brown problem or just guys don’t wanna come here just to block? I think if we start throwing more recruiting will change
I totally get where your coming from, but is the board small because A)Brown totally sucks or B)due to the look we've had on offense last few years hurting us and guys being totally turned off by that? More then likely it could be a combo of both, but I can't imagine Freeman being OK with Brown being a total shit sack at recruiting. If we could actually throw the ball around this year and have some receivers put good numbers up, and he still shits the bed with prospects, then yes....be gone.I go back to what ISD has said - Brown is in on very few guys. The board is quite small. We basically have the guys from Texas left. History says we aren’t getting all 3 of them recruiting is so much about relationships and brown seems really bad at it. Legitimately confused that Freeman would hire a wr coach who is bad at recruiting.
ISD is convinced that it's the former. They've said that very few WR recruits/targets talk about Mike Brown and keep mentioning that he isn't good at getting enough blue-chip WR's to visit campus, whether it be in the spring, summer, or fall. Jamie and Greg have been Mike Brown's biggest critics at ISD, and they get their recruiting info from Matt and Christian, who regularly talk to recruits. After ND whiffed on their top of the board WR's last summer, Mike Frank went into detail about how Brown, and by extension, Freeman and Bowden, completely botched the WR board.I totally get where your coming from, but is the board small because A)Brown totally sucks or B)due to the look we've had on offense last few years hurting us and guys being totally turned off by that? More then likely it could be a combo of both, but I can't imagine Freeman being OK with Brown being a total shit sack at recruiting. If we could actually throw the ball around this year and have some receivers put good numbers up, and he still shits the bed with prospects, then yes....be gone.
Recruits from TX are the main ones, this will be interesting better grab your popcorn. Mosley decided on U$C about 3 weeks ago no news.Who is left on our board?
Richardson's ranking is a reflection of him as an ATH not at WR so I get it due to his length, measurables and elite speed they think he can convert over pretty easily. I thought Burress ended up a composite guy somewhere in the 400s and Gilbert was in the Top 250?Circling back, Burress and Richardson are both higher rated than Gilbert, Smith, Greathouse, Flores and Saldate. If anyone can believe that
Chansi only landed two guys higher rated: Braylon James - 100% him but also looks extremely likely to bust - and Cam Williams - mainly a Rees guy, uncertain future.
I don’t know I buy Brown is some useless recruiter compared to how useless Del and Chansi were, I think we struggled to pass the ball at times last year and NIL makes it harder to land top WR recruits.
Give Brown a blank check to land at least one Top 100 WR with and I think suddenly he’d be an ace recruiter, I suspect.
To be fair, the article(s) don’t say anything about Brown/Free/ND’s recruiting efforts.Ex-Notre Dame Player Breaks Silence on 4-Star Son Choosing Rival USC. Not sure if you all have same take, but Emmett Mosley Sr.’s. comment in the piece seems to imply that whereas Riley and USC WR coach made an effective pitch for why USC and their receiver corps, "It's a great school and education is important in our family. USC checks the box there and for what he wants to achieve athletically, they seem to have a system that fits his skill set," Mike Brown and ND (and presumably MF) did not. I know there is Carson Palmer as HS coach and all that, but sure does seem ND got outsold here.
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I would guess it wasn't about academics at all.Ex-Notre Dame Player Breaks Silence on 4-Star Son Choosing Rival USC. Not sure if you all have same take, but Emmett Mosley Sr.’s. comment in the piece seems to imply that whereas Riley and USC WR coach made an effective pitch for why USC and their receiver corps, "It's a great school and education is important in our family. USC checks the box there and for what he wants to achieve athletically, they seem to have a system that fits his skill set," Mike Brown and ND (and presumably MF) did not. I know there is Carson Palmer as HS coach and all that, but sure does seem ND got outsold here.
Well yeah, you can say what you want about Lincoln Riley as a head coach, but as an offensive play caller/play designer...he's objectively top 5 in CFB in that regard at the absolute worst. It makes sense why a WR would want to play for him.Ex-Notre Dame Player Breaks Silence on 4-Star Son Choosing Rival USC. Not sure if you all have same take, but Emmett Mosley Sr.’s. comment in the piece seems to imply that whereas Riley and USC WR coach made an effective pitch for why USC and their receiver corps, "It's a great school and education is important in our family. USC checks the box there and for what he wants to achieve athletically, they seem to have a system that fits his skill set," Mike Brown and ND (and presumably MF) did not. I know there is Carson Palmer as HS coach and all that, but sure does seem ND got outsold here.