Future Playoff Expansion… Hmmm

[pumpdog20]

Would this force us to join a league?

Fingers crossed

 

[gregm83]

dont lose 3 in the regular season, we in.
Seems fine.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Yeah, Dale is all over my point here.

Yeah, like I said, I had misread your original post. You're correct - the committee had a different take on the championship games this year. I'm not sure having a fluid criteria is good, either.

 

[forkbeard3777]

dont lose 3 in the regular season, we in.
Seems fine.

Yeah, I fail to see how Playoff expansions could be detrimental to Notre Dame.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Does this move eliminate the CCGs once and for all? They were a stupid money grab to begin with, but created a perverse incentive where suddenly everyone else felt obligated to get another data point

 

[Irish du Nord]

Also, worth noting that this would get rid of the Byes for top 4 seeds, who suspiciously went 0-4 this year

 

[Huntr]

Does this move eliminate the CCGs once and for all? They were a stupid money grab to begin with, but created a perverse incentive where suddenly everyone else felt obligated to get another data point

You answered your own question.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

One of the biggest conflicts with the expanded playoff is how long the season became, how the playoff timing didn't line up with semester end/ start, transfer portal, etc, and the overall college football calendar being the most absurd thing in all of sports.

Love him or hate him, but I'm a huge fan of Joel Klatt's solution here: start college football a week earlier and the natty takes place on Jan 1 in the rose bowl.

And just my opinion...8 teams is plenty. 16 is NFL Lite, and to that I say no thanks. It doesn't improve our product. We all knew Indiana, Boise, and SMU didn't belong this year.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Here is something else to consider how a Playoff expansion may be beneficial to Notre Dame…

When Alabama was left out, they bitched and moaned about scheduling (really homing in on Indiana’s poor schedule). Specifically, out of conference scheduling. Even though they didn’t lose an out of conference game, why should they go play anyone challenging? Why risk it? The committee appeared to have a “cap” at 2 losses. So, just fill the schedule up with directional schools and take the W.

That said, an expanded Playoff and a guaranty (i.e., 4 SEC / 4 Big Ten slots), in theory, could be beneficial to Notre Dame (and college football, as a whole). It could be viewed as a way to justify scheduling Notre Dame and other challenging/premier out of conference games. It provides a little more leeway in scheduling and you can still play Notre Dame and other big time out of conference games as a potential loss doesn’t hurt your chances as bad. It could put to bed the whole “blackball Notre Dame” or “what’s the point in scheduling elite out of conference games” discussion point.

ETA: For the sake of clarity, please don’t construe anything in my post as championing for Alabama and supporting the talking point that they should have been in last year’s Playoff or, Alabama was better than Indiana. Fuck them. They lost to Vanderbilt and were blasted towards the end of the year by one of the worst Oklahoma teams in decades.

 

[Katzenboyer]

This is beneficial to Notre Dame. They would effectively receive an autobid if they finished in the Top 14.

This doesn't threaten independence, it bolsters it. The debate about whether it's a good thing for college football is a valid one; but there should be no question about this being a net positive for the Irish.

 

[IrishLax]

In the current system ND needs to win 4 games to get a title and can be seeded no higher than 5. Due to shenanigans, ND was drastically underseeded at #7 despite a pre-playoff poll ranking of #3.

Any system that goes to 16 teams is better for ND regardless of autobids. What ND should be pushing for in a new model is:

1) Hosting of multiple rounds on campus
2) Elimination of byes
3) Elimination of preferential conference seeding

But at the end of the day any system with access doesn’t hurt us. The conferences getting squeezed are largely fraudulent.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Is the thinking 4B1G, 4SEC, 2ACC, 2Big12,1best little, Next three best?
If so, we would have to be better than the 5th best B1G, the 5th best SEC, the 3rd best ACC, the 3rd best Big12, and the 2nd best "rest". (and actually only the 3rd best of that array to get in.) The number of games we'd play seems the same (if no byes; which there should not be with 16 teams.)

All that seems either do-able, or if we cannot make that we shouldn't be in anyway.

The only screw-job to watch out for is if there is prejudicial home game location. I'd fight for highest rated teams get 1st round home games at least. Then, at elite eight, maybe highest rated at home too. Then the three big bowls.

I suppose that such a simplistic look must be wrong or we wouldn't be talking too much about this.

 

[JD Irish]

In the current system ND needs to win 4 games to get a title and can be seeded no higher than 5. Due to shenanigans, ND was drastically underseeded at #7 despite a pre-playoff poll ranking of #3.

Any system that goes to 16 teams is better for ND regardless of autobids. What ND should be pushing for in a new model is:

1) Hosting of multiple rounds on campus
2) Elimination of byes
3) Elimination of preferential conference seeding

But at the end of the day any system with access doesn’t hurt us. The conferences getting squeezed are largely fraudulent.

I think this is all correct. However, one looming issue is that, as we are potentially seeing with USC, these Big Ten and SEC teams will claim that their schedules are full and they will have no interest in scheduling out of conference games. This is especially true if they will both be at 9 conference games plus their additional SEC-Big Ten game. I want ND to play in big games and have an interesting schedule.

 

[Dale]

Which lunch table do you think ND sits with at these meetings? Do they just sit with Sankey or pretend to be nice to Jim Phillips?


Reality is the decisions makers is the have and have nots. The haves are Big Ten, SEC and ND. The have nots are Big 12, ACC and G5.

As long as ND is ideologically aligned with Big Ten and SEC, I have no worries of the system. Just personal opinions what it should be.

 

[Huntr]

Which lunch table do you think ND sits with at these meetings? Do they just sit with Sankey or pretend to be nice to Jim Phillips?

Not pictured: ND, B1G and SEC

 

[Free Manera]

In 5 years I don't think conferences are going to matter anymore. It's going to be a league of about 35 football schools that play each other and have their own playoff. The rest of the D1 schools will have their own league and championship.

 

[Dale]

In 5 years I don't think conferences are going to matter anymore. It's going to be a league of about 35 football schools that play each other and have their own playoff. The rest of the D1 schools will have their own league and championship.

35 is too low IMO. I would say closer to the current P4 amount, at least 50.

Someone has to take the losses. And those losing schools will be glad to cash the checks.

 

[KPENN]

Want sure where to put this…

 

[KPENN]

 

[greyhammer90]

Lol.

Lmao even.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Dope

 

[greyhammer90]

ESPN in November is going to be nauseating. They're going to argue at least two SEC teams deserve to be in the top 4. Guaranteed.

 

[KPENN]

The “Notre Dame needs to join a conference” crowd is gonna love this

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Well, considering the top 4 seeds all lost after their byes…is this really a good thing?

 

[SDIrishFan]

Lol.

Lmao even.

Jack Swarbrick right now…

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

wow

 

[NDPhilly]

The first two rounds really should be on campus. I almost rather be the five seed and play a week 12 seed then a 4 seed to get the on campus experience as crazy as that sounds.

 

[ACamp1900]

College football trying to replicate the NFL is nauseating

The worst part is no one totally saw this coming from the very beginning at all,……………………..

 

[Irish4life]

Do nothing
Profit

 

[zelezo vlk]

Us and all the haters going crazy on Twitter etc