'22 NJ QB Steven Angeli (Notre Dame Signee)

[nsisk157]

Of course EVERYONE does agree with this statement as to normal game play. Again, the question is who would give us a better chance when we are down 14 in the 4th quarter. If there is not a ton of time left on the clock that requires us to throw 90% of the time, I don't believe the answer is clear cut.

I believe there are scenarios where Angeli could be the better option. Obviously how well we are protecting the QB would be a factor. How well has Leonard been throwing the ball up to that point is another factor. How many people is the D dropping into coverage.

I'm guessing that most of the time the answer is probably sticking with Leonard. But there would be scenarios where the answer could be Angeli.

NIU was an example. I think Angeli gets us the W there bc we were so putrid... but at what cost? Would that have stunted RL's growth?

It is not a clear cut option, for sure. I would have to be a feel factor from MF with alot of factors considered (how the OL is blocking, how bad do we look up until that point, etc, etc).

Added: Also, Saban pulled Hurts for Tua... however that plays.

 

[NDohio]

My goodness. Thought this discussion would have gone the way of the dodo bird by now. Are we really still questioning whether RL gives us the best opportunity for a come back victory?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I think we’ve established your POV there. Hope your bet covers

I hope it's a tie game in the 4th and ND has a repeat of the A&M game, where the Oline wears down OSU, ND runs it in from 20 yards out to take the lead, and one of the DB's comes up with a pick to seal it.

If that doesn't happen, ND is trailing late, the run game is nonexistent...I've got no faith in RL's arm taking ND to a win.

 

[nsisk157]

My goodness. Thought this discussion would have gone the way of the dodo bird by now. Are we really still questioning whether RL gives us the best opportunity for a come back victory?

Guys are bored in between games. We have not been down more than 7 points all year. Good enough for banter talk.

 

[greyhammer90]

Guys are bored in between games. We have not been down more than 7 points all year. Good enough for banter talk.

10* against PSU but damn I hadn't thought of that and it's impressive.

 

[KPENN]

10* against PSU but damn I hadn't thought of that and it's impressive.

Also, Penn State was the first time since NIU that ND hadn’t led by double digits in a game

 

[Pointman02]

I’d be much more likely to go to SA as a change of pace if the game started to get out of control (like what happened by accident against PSU). The offense is much more explosive (highly explosive) with RL at QB. What’s unusual is that this O is highly explosive with the run game being a major part of that. They have an unbelievable many 20, 30, and 40+ yard plays this season, but lots of that is on the ground. You need RL to keep that threat out there. This is a weird team where the two minute drill isn’t all through the air - it can’t give up on the run.

 

[Wild Bill]

I hope it's a tie game in the 4th and ND has a repeat of the A&M game, where the Oline wears down OSU, ND runs it in from 20 yards out to take the lead, and one of the DB's comes up with a pick to seal it.

If that doesn't happen, ND is trailing late, the run game is nonexistent...I've got no faith in RL's arm taking ND to a win.

Depends on the circumstances of the game.

Let's assume it's 21-28 OSU lead at the end of the third quarter, and ND is driving but turns it over on downs at midfield. OSU takes over and scores a few minutes later, making it 21-35 with around 11 minutes left to play.

Leonard is 15-of-22 for 180 yards and a TD through the air, plus 60 yards and a TD on the ground.

Do you pull him?

 

[nsisk157]

10* against PSU but damn I hadn't thought of that and it's impressive.

Yepppppppppp. nailed that one haha

 

[jprue24]

This has been an awesome read, thanks. The distorting of the scenario (down 14, 4th qtr) by all but a few is some quality message board nonsense.

 

[Wild Bill]

10* against PSU but damn I hadn't thought of that and it's impressive.

I'm fairly certain that was the first time our defense took the field without a lead or tie since the Miami game. I think Miami scored first, and it took a couple of possessions before ND was able to take the lead.

I think Georgia, Georgia tech, L'ville and even Stanford all scored first, but the offense always responded on the very next drive, and teh defense would get back on the field iwth a tie or lead.

Something I thought about during the USC game - when one side needed a stop or a score, the other side almost always delivered. There's been a complementary rhythm to how this team plays.

 

[stlnd01]

Also, Penn State was the first time since NIU that ND hadn’t led by double digits in a game

And the first time since NIU we trailed in the second half (which might be most relevant to this highly-specific Leonard v Steve in the fourth quarter conversation).

 

[NDRock]

This has been an awesome read, thanks. The distorting of the scenario (down 14, 4th qtr) by all but a few is some quality message board nonsense.

It’s a pretty poor scenario as there’s so many variables. Are we down 42-28 and RL has 4tds and 2 picks that weren’t his fault? Or is it 17-3 and he’s playing like absolute dogshit?

I’m sure there is a point where he could play so bad that Angeli gets a look for at least a series. There’s just no way you categorically say to pull RL because we’re down two scores.

 

[MacIrish75]

I knew that ten days between the semifinal and final would be too much for this board to maintain a vibe of logic and common sense and it seems we made it

*checks notes*

just under four days.

Honestly longer than I figured.

 

[jprue24]

It’s a pretty poor scenario as there’s so many variables. Are we down 42-28 and RL has 4tds and 2 picks that weren’t his fault? Or is it 17-3 and he’s playing like absolute dogshit?

I’m sure there is a point where he could play so bad that Angeli gets a look for at least a series. There’s just no way you categorically say to pull RL because we’re down two scores.

I think the underlying point is still pretty clear... Is there a NC game scenario where putting Angeli in to throw gives ND the best chance to win? Multiple posters distorted this to make their point.

 

[MacIrish75]

Captains Log

20 January, 2024

The Irish are down 77-63 in the 4th quarter of the National Championship game after Al Golden was lured away from the Irish in the 11th hour to take the opening of the Everton Football Club in England and the Irish panicked and brought in former coordinator Brian Van Gorder to take his place twelve hours prior to kickoff.

Riley Leonard has thrown for 9 TD passes and 638 yards, but is pulled in favor of Steve Angeli as OC Mike Denbrock, sensing that he’d need a quarterback with questionable athletic traits, but who had authored a historic win against Oregon State and an additional drive against Penn State—would need to replicate some of that same magic and finally exorcise those demons of not putting Angeli in to save the Northern Illinois game—and the Irish season.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Captains Log

20 January, 2024

The Irish are down 77-63 in the 4th quarter of the National Championship game after Al Golden was lured away from the Irish in the 11th hour to take the opening of the Everton Football Club in England and the Irish panicked and brought in former coordinator Brian Van Gorder to take his place twelve hours prior to kickoff.

Riley Leonard has thrown for 9 TD passes and 638 yards, but is pulled in favor of Steve Angeli as OC Mike Denbrock, sensing that he’d need a quarterback with questionable athletic traits, but who had authored a historic win against Oregon State and an additional drive against Penn State—would need to replicate some of that same magic and finally exorcise those demons of not putting Angeli in to save the Northern Illinois game—and the Irish season.

You write fiction?

 

[NDRock]

Captains Log

20 January, 2024

The Irish are down 77-63 in the 4th quarter of the National Championship game after Al Golden was lured away from the Irish in the 11th hour to take the opening of the Everton Football Club in England and the Irish panicked and brought in former coordinator Brian Van Gorder to take his place twelve hours prior to kickoff.

Riley Leonard has thrown for 9 TD passes and 638 yards, but is pulled in favor of Steve Angeli as OC Mike Denbrock, sensing that he’d need a quarterback with questionable athletic traits, but who had authored a historic win against Oregon State and an additional drive against Penn State—would need to replicate some of that same magic and finally exorcise those demons of not putting Angeli in to save the Northern Illinois game—and the Irish season.

Did we win?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Did we win?

Didn’t you finish the novel?! Steve’s in!!

 

[MacIrish75]

Did we win?

That’s in the next chapter. Still going through rewrites.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

That’s in the next chapter. Still going through rewrites.

Mac is GRR Martin confirmed

 

[Bane]

Love Angeli, him stepping up against PSU will live in Irish lore forever, but c'mon, does anyone really want to start him? I can't believe it, I'll chalk it up to nerves or anxiety before the NCG. I do hope Angeli sticks around next year, but I'll understand if he seeks a spot where he is more likely to start.

 

[MacIrish75]

Love Angeli, him stepping up against PSU will live in Irish lore forever, but c'mon, does anyone really want to start him? I can't believe it, I'll chalk it up to nerves or anxiety before the NCG. I do hope Angeli sticks around next year, but I'll understand if he seeks a spot where he is more likely to start.

No, nobody wants to start him…

…They/Them want him to come in when we’re down 14 in the fourth quarter.

 

[Rocketman84]

But he’s only a 3 star….

Pretty sure he was a composite 4*, kid was rated close to a 92 at the beginning of his Sr year.

 

[Rocketman84]

But ND didnt have the lead and the defense didnt force two turnovers yet they still won with Riley

We actually forced 3 turnovers

 

[Rocketman84]

I don't have faith in Angeli in this situation. Yeah, he is a better passer, but in this scenario OSU will not be respecting the run at all and will be coming after the QB with aggression. Who is better in that situation? I think RL.

They will respect the run much more than the passing of RL, especially the RL slow developing draw.

 

[NorthDakota]

Gillis was showing Love highlights on Rogan today.

Dude bros everywhere are falling in love with ND

 

[GrangerIrish24]

We actually forced 3 turnovers

I don’t recall us taking over possession

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Depends on the circumstances of the game.

Let's assume it's 21-28 OSU lead at the end of the third quarter, and ND is driving but turns it over on downs at midfield. OSU takes over and scores a few minutes later, making it 21-35 with around 11 minutes left to play.

Leonard is 15-of-22 for 180 yards and a TD through the air, plus 60 yards and a TD on the ground.

Do you pull him?

If ND is down 14 in the 4th, I'm telling Angeli to warm up. I have no faith in RL's arm leading ND to a comeback victory.

If it's tied or a one score game in the 4th, then I would want to see ND run their typical offense with RL.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Well, we’re not going to be down 14 in the fourth so this dispute is meaningless.
Steve will be the starter next year and lead us back to the championship game.