'25 CA LB Madden Faraimo (Notre Dame Signee)

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It was a position of need alongside Watts, but instead of getting a future 1st Rd talent like Downs we got a safe/solid guy in Heard.

You are making the point that Downs is a great player, but negating that Shuler & Watts was likely one of the best starting safety combo's in all of college football. The staff knew what they had in Shuler and they bet on him - and were right.
 

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Elite athletes don’t want to go to class. They want a football factory & that’s why the 5* kids go to Ohio St, Georgia, Texas, Bama etc

They can focus entirely on football & making money.

Thats just not Notre Dame.
Sounds good but umm since 2016 Graduation rates at those schools are...
Notre Dame 94%
Alabama 93%
Ohio St. 87%
Texas 75%
Georgia 41%

Aside from UGa tbose numbers aren't bad and Bama and Ohio St #s are excellent.
 
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You are making the point that Downs is a great player, but negating that Shuler & Watts was likely one of the best starting safety combo's in all of college football. The staff knew what they had in Shuler and they bet on him - and were right.
I like that combo alot but imagine Watts and Downs....that would've been historic! The combo of Ransom and Downs is probably a 3rd and 1st Rd combo as well
 

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Sounds good but umm since 2016 Graduation rates at those scools are...
Notre Dame 94%
Alabama 93%
Ohio St. 87%
Texas 75%
Georgia 41%

Aside from UGa tbose numbers aren't bad and Bama and Ohio St #s are excellent.

And what classes are some of those athletes taking at those schools? How many are online? How many are bullshit majors?
 

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It may not be at the same par as ‘23 & ‘24, but it’s still a good class.

We are not signing the 60th ranked class on Wednesday.
Nor will it be a Top 8 class as it should be for a school like ND annually. I would hope we wouldnt be comparing class success against the likes of Northwestern, Kansas and BC😔😔
 

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Nor will it be a Top 8 class as it should be for a school like ND annually. I would hope we wouldnt be comparing class success against the likes of Northwestern, Kansas and BC😔😔

Literally no one has lol except for one guy bringing up Duke.
 

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Literally no one has lol except for one guy bringing up Duke.
Lol, I was making reference to that #50-60 class. I believe bare minimum at this program should be #10-12 range and thats after a few top 5-6 classes.
 
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Lol, I was making reference to that #50-60 class. I believe bare minimim at this program should be #10-12 range and thats after a few top 5-6 classes.

As fans, we need some sort of class floor to keep the majority from losing their shit.

10-12 would be ideal.
 

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As fans, we need some sort of class floor to keep the majority from losing their shit.

10-12 would be ideal.
I mean the historic College Football program in the land in itself should get you in the Top 15
alone! Just put in some fringe work for top 10 and get with the times to stay in the 5-6 range. We can't bank on the TV contract in this error since FCS schools are now on TV. We should be able to bank on the fanbase and 2nd to none alumni base.
 

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I mean the historic College Football program in the land in itself should get you in the Top 15
alone! Just put in some fringe work for top 10 and get with the times to stay in the 5-6 range. We can't bank on the TV contract in this error since FCS schools are now on TV. We should be able to bank on the fanbase and 2nd to none alumni base.
Well, you're in luck then because ND is #9 in team talent (and like 2 points off #7) in 2024. 2024 College Football Team Talent Composite
 

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Well, you're in luck then because ND is #9 in team talent (and like 2 points off #7) in 2024. 2024 College Football Team Talent Composite
Interesting ND is outperforming their composite rankings despite the following:
-minimal contribution from their 5 star players. 3 are not playing. Spindler is the only starter and may be the weakest starter on offense. Sneed plays meaningful minutes but he's a backup.
-the lowest rated QB on roster is starter
-highest rated running back, devyn ford, is no longer allowed to run the ball.
 

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No idea why we didn’t go after downs we coulda had him and Schular the next 2 years
 

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Interesting ND is outperforming their composite rankings despite the following:
-minimal contribution from their 5 star players. 3 are not playing. Spindler is the only starter and may be the weakest starter on offense. Sneed plays meaningful minutes but he's a backup.
-the lowest rated QB on roster is starter
-highest rated running back, devyn ford, is no longer allowed to run the ball.
It's almost as though, when it comes to winning football games, developing college football players across multiple years is more important than the sheer accumulation of talent as measured by a number that recruiting services assign to high school kids.
 

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Duke has 2 four stars in the composite and ND has 13 four stars. Not sure how ND's class is closer to Duke than Georgia. This makes no sense.
According to 247--

Duke is ranked 32nd class. Georgia's is #1. Georgia has 6 players .95 and above. We have zero, Duke has zero. Well finish closer to Dukes class. Pin it.

It's ok to call this class what it is. It'll be Freeman's worst class and we missed almost all of our top targets. Any other narrative is spin.
 
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According to 247--

Duke is ranked 32nd class. Georgia's is #1. Georgia has 6 players .95 and above. We have zero, Duke has zero. Well finish closer to Dukes class. Pin it.

It's ok to call this class what it is. It'll be Freeman's worst class and we missed almost all of our top targets. Any other narrative is spin.

Conveniently leaving out that ND is 12th on 247 that is closer to UGA than Duke
 

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Well, you're in luck then because ND is #9 in team talent (and like 2 points off #7) in 2024. 2024 College Football Team Talent Composite
Yea, I saw that but gettinh into that top 5 is where the big difference is but ppl still say the academuc standards prevent that, being in that 2nd tier (7-11) is ok but you have to wait on a favorable schedule and a little luck to really gave a legit chance.
 

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According to 247--

Duke is ranked 32nd class. Georgia's is #1. Georgia has 6 players .95 and above. We have zero, Duke has zero. Well finish closer to Dukes class. Pin it.

It's ok to call this class what it is. It'll be Freeman's worst class and we missed almost all of our top targets. Any other narrative is spin.
And yet our average is closer to Georgia's than to Duke's...

We have 11 players .90 and above, Duke has 3.

So you will call this spin, but your claim that our class is closer to Duke's than Georgia's is spin...
 

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Reading the negativity in this thread is depressing.
It’s all about expectations. There is a crowd that wants to be better and isnt content with doing as good as last year. There is the crowd content with 10-11 wins and hoping to win a big bowl game with a potential shot at losing to one of the top 5 teams in the country. Then there is the moral crowd that wants all players to speak French and go to mass daily.
 

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It’s all about expectations. There is a crowd that wants to be better and isnt content with doing as good as last year. There is the crowd content with 10-11 wins and hoping to win a big bowl game with a potential shot at losing to one of the top 5 teams in the country. Then there is the moral crowd that wants all players to speak French and go to mass daily.
What about the crowd that looks at the entirety of the program and not just hang their hopes on what HS kids will be joining the team next season. The combination of HS recruiting, portal recruiting, and player development is better today than it has been since Lou.
 

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What about the crowd that looks at the entirety of the program and not just hang their hopes on what HS kids will be joining the team next season. The combination of HS recruiting, portal recruiting, and player development is better today than it has been since Lou.
I do. And we've been ~12th in portal last two years based on player average too. Talent accusation isn't where it needs to be, recruiting or portal, and most others are taking it up another notch.

Player development, specifically across OL, LB, DB has been excellent.
 

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I do. And we've been ~12th in portal last two years based on player average too. Talent accusation isn't where it needs to be, recruiting or portal, and most others are taking it up another notch.

Player development, specifically across OL, LB, DB has been excellent.
Well what should we be accusing them of then?!
 

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What about the crowd that looks at the entirety of the program and not just hang their hopes on what HS kids will be joining the team next season. The combination of HS recruiting, portal recruiting, and player development is better today than it has been since Lou.
Agreed, although portal recruiting has only been around for what, Kelly and Freeman.
 

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This year does kind of undermine the narrative that Freeman is a super-recruiter.

It's a fine class (by ND standards), but not great. Here are my grades:

- QB: B (project with high upside and low downside)
- RB: B
- WR: C (huge need, lots of misses, Burress looks good)
- TE: A (they seem to always identify good TEs, so I'm assuming he's good)
- OT: A+ (best recruiting in a while)
- OG: B+ (didn't really need anyone, and I like Herron's athleticism)
- DT: B (good, but no one dominant or huge)
- DE: B+ (some clear upside, but no sure elite guy)
- LB: B+ (good, but needed another)
- CB: A (they seem to always identify good DBs, so I'm assuming they're good)
- S: A (they seem to always identify good DBs, so I'm assuming they're good)
- K: A (got lucky late)

Reminds me of Stanford recruiting during the Harbaugh era.
 
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