Presidential Election 2024

[ColoradoIrish]

That's odd. In the spring we all remember (and there's video evidence) of Trump on stage with other R candidates. Kamala didn't have to debate anyone and, based on her 2020 performance, we know why.

Dude I'm all for criticizing the DNC process and have been vocal about my disdain both this time and 2016, but Trump didn't debate anyone for the Republican primary.

 

[GATTACA!]

Dude I'm all for criticizing the DNC process and have been vocal about my disdain both this time and 2016, but Trump didn't debate anyone for the Republican primary.

And ultimately that's the rub. If you're engineering this as a conspiracy is Kamala the candidate anyone would have picked?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Dude I'm all for criticizing the DNC process and have been vocal about my disdain both this time and 2016, but Trump didn't debate anyone for the Republican primary.

This is correct. Trump made a strategic decision to not participate. He took some heat for that, but he knew that with so many candidates in the field, he wasn't in much danger as he had a strong core. The votes would be split amongst the other candidates. The only chance anyone had of beating Trump was if everyone dropped out except for one person. That didn't happen.

Despite Trump calling for no additional debates after the first two, the Republican leadership ignored him and had three additional debates.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

And ultimately that's the rub. If you're engineering this as a conspiracy is Kamala the candidate anyone would have picked?

Not a shot in hell. But the party is severely lacking leadership at the top, so they must've thought she was a better option than any of the governors. I personally think Beshear from Kentucky would've been the most intriguing

 

[TorontoGold]

And ultimately that's the rub. If you're engineering this as a conspiracy is Kamala the candidate anyone would have picked?

.....and the only ones upset at the process are people who would have never voted for any realistic Dem options. The same people saying Biden was too senile to run again, are upset he dropped out and the party picked his VP to be the candidate.

"The DNC should have done exactly what I wanted, no I would never vote for their candidate, but my god! Think of all the registered Dems who got cheated!!!" - Despite seeing the increase in support after Biden dropped out.

You can't be a serious person and be upset at the way the DNC played this.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

.....and the only ones upset at the process are people who would have never voted for any realistic Dem options. The same people saying Biden was too senile to run again, are upset he dropped out and the party picked his VP to be the candidate.

"The DNC should have done exactly what I wanted, no I would never vote for their candidate, but my god! Think of all the registered Dems who got cheated!!!" - Despite seeing the increase in support after Biden dropped out.

You can't be a serious person and be upset at the way the DNC played this.

Dude you're not even from here, go back to Canada and worry about your own politics 😂😂

 

[NDVirginia19]

.....and the only ones upset at the process are people who would have never voted for any realistic Dem options. The same people saying Biden was too senile to run again, are upset he dropped out and the party picked his VP to be the candidate.

"The DNC should have done exactly what I wanted, no I would never vote for their candidate, but my god! Think of all the registered Dems who got cheated!!!" - Despite seeing the increase in support after Biden dropped out.

You can't be a serious person and be upset at the way the DNC played this.

You mean I can't be upset about the DNC and national media covering up the mental health of the President of the United States and gaslighting the American Public into thinking that any serious questions about it was misinformation and cheap fakes? And without covering this up, the democrat voters would have clearly seen that they needed to seek elsewhere in 2024 and given us a better alternative than Kamala to lead the ticket in 2024? lmao

 

[TorontoGold]

Dude you're not even from here, go back to Canada and worry about your own politics 😂😂

Yeah why would a guy who's got family/friends that live there, and my career is heavily influenced by the US care about it!

We have the Temu Ted Cruz going to be the next PM so there's really nothing to get worried about here!

You mean I can't be upset about the DNC and national media covering up the mental health of the President of the United States and gaslighting the American Public into thinking that any serious questions about it was misinformation and cheap fakes? And without covering this up, the democrat voters would have clearly seen that they needed to seek elsewhere in 2024 and given us a better alternative than Kamala to lead the ticket in 2024? lmao

Ok? Don't vote for the DNC then? Oh, you weren't going to do that anyways? Got it. The national media? lol the most listened to podcasts/most shared posts/late night panels are conservative. The same people upset at "the media" are already not listening to anything that is more moderate than Fox, but they want them to just report on vibez of Biden being off? Should everyone here be upset that Fox isn't running coverage on Trump's weak spots constantly? I mean, come on lol

So it boils down to you being upset that Dems weren't able to have a better candidate? Wut? Do you understand how politically suicidal it would be to replace Biden/Kamala with someone else? Of course you do, that's why you'd want someone else there lmao.

 

[drayer54]

We need to hold senate hearings and open an FBI investigation. This goes way deeper than anyone understands…..

I sat at the bar one evening next a to McDonald’s big wig who spent an hour during explaining the ice cream mafia to everyone. It was the most fascinating random bar chat I ever had. He said there’s a website who track broken ice cream machines and people who independently hire out to fix them for the McDonald’s and why the machines are so difficult and basically said there’s been injury and drama around people trying to get into the repair business. It’s a fascinating world.

 

[GATTACA!]

Not a shot in hell. But the party is severely lacking leadership at the top, so they must've thought she was a better option than any of the governors. I personally think Beshear from Kentucky would've been the most intriguing

Beshear, Whitmer, Buttigieg, the race is over already. Kamala can’t distance herself from any of the decisions of the Biden administration that independents have issues with. Also she’s just not that strong of a candidate to begin with.

I don’t think they thought she was a better option. I have a feeling Biden made it clear in order for him to step down he wanted her to carry his torch.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Bi

Beshear, Whitmer, Buttigieg, the race is over already. Kamala can’t distance herself from any of the decisions of the Biden administration that independents have issues with. Also she’s just not that strong of a candidate to begin with.

I don’t think they thought she was a better option. I have a feeling Biden made it clear in order for him to step down he wanted her to carry his torch.

Biden doing his part to screw us over one last time then.

 

[drayer54]

Beshear, Whitmer, Buttigieg, the race is over already. Kamala can’t distance herself from any of the decisions of the Biden administration that independents have issues with. Also she’s just not that strong of a candidate to begin with.

I don’t think they thought she was a better option. I have a feeling Biden made it clear in order for him to step down he wanted her to carry his torch.

How could they bypass a woman of color that they pretended was super qualified and capable? The fact that she can’t say anything she would do different than Joe did is damning. She is unable to defend anything done by the administration. She only goes over 50% when talking abortion. She says she is the change candidate, but offers no real change. I don’t know how they picked anyone else in this predicament. Simple difference- Trump is going on Joe Rogan Friday to talk for 3 hours off script and just bs with the people. Kamala is not capable of that and neither is Walz.

 

[ab2cmiller]

The speculation at the time was surrounding the fact that the Dem's could face huge blowup within the party if they chose anyone else besides the VP given the short turnaround and being a woman and a person of color.

My impression is that the people that would've been upset were not anywhere close to a majority, but a large enough group that they could've made a lot of noise.

Maybe a Dem could pipe in with their perspective.

 

[RDU Irish]

The speculation at the time was surrounding the fact that the Dem's could face huge blowup within the party if they chose anyone else besides the VP given the short turnaround and being a woman and a person of color.

My impression is that the people that would've been upset were not anywhere close to a majority, but a large enough group that they could've made a lot of noise.

Maybe a Dem could pipe in with their perspective.

It seems to me nobody really wants Kamala to be president. 25th amendment Biden in March with an abbreviated primary would have given them their precious diversity POTUS now and a viable candidate for later.

Only logical answer I have is the drug companies pushed this through. All the mental health breakdowns of a second Trump term are going to fill the coffers of big Pharma.

 

[GATTACA!]

How could they bypass a woman of color that they pretended was super qualified and capable? The fact that she can’t say anything she would do different than Joe did is damning. She is unable to defend anything done by the administration. She only goes over 50% when talking abortion. She says she is the change candidate, but offers no real change. I don’t know how they picked anyone else in this predicament. Simple difference- Trump is going on Joe Rogan Friday to talk for 3 hours off script and just bs with the people. Kamala is not capable of that and neither is Walz.

That’s the way it was trending while Biden was still being stubborn and refusing. Pelosi, Obama, even Clyburn who initially said Kamala couldn’t be bypassed were all talking about some sort of mini primary. Then Biden decides to step down and suddenly Kamala was coronated.

I would bet a significant amount of money that episode of JRE is nowhere near 3 hours. The fact that you think him off script, or even on script, isn’t incoherent rambling is telling.

 

[IrishLax]

I understand delays in reporting in 2020, as inane COVID precautions and fears largely increased the mail in ballot volume. But it's been four years. There is no excuse for this.

I have no earthly idea why, but in certain states Republicans have blocked counting of mail ballots as they come in. Not the case in Florida/Texas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/04/slow-vote-counting-wisconsin-pennsylvania/

We really need universal election administration and simplification for federal elections. It makes no sense that the rules differ place to place.

 

[drayer54]

That’s the way it was trending while Biden was still being stubborn and refusing. Pelosi, Obama, even Clyburn who initially said Kamala couldn’t be bypassed were all talking about some sort of mini primary. Then Biden decides to step down and suddenly Kamala was coronated.

I would bet a significant amount of money that episode of JRE is nowhere near 3 hours. The fact that you think him off script, or even on script, isn’t incoherent rambling is telling.

Trump on a podium for a long time is rambling. Trump on Theo Von and other podcasts has been fine. I have no idea how long Joe will go with him. Elon did a long run with him on X.

 

[ulukinatme]

If you read that article, they make it sound like a real investigation occurred to determine if that image is fake. This was released hours after Newsweek clarifying that Trump didn’t actually work for McDonalds. They are losing their minds trying to stop him.

 

[drayer54]

Fascinating

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Trump: ‘I Need the Kind of Generals That Hitler Had’

The Republican nominee’s preoccupation with dictators, and his disdain for the American military, is deepening.

www.theatlantic.com

Long read.

 

[Irish#1]

The speculation at the time was surrounding the fact that the Dem's could face huge blowup within the party if they chose anyone else besides the VP given the short turnaround and being a woman and a person of color.

My impression is that the people that would've been upset were not anywhere close to a majority, but a large enough group that they could've made a lot of noise.

Maybe a Dem could pipe in with their perspective.

"Wait! Your telling me our current VP who has to take the reins if something happens to Joe isn't qualified to be POTUS and we need to find someone else?"

Would have been a huge black eye in the eyes of the public and could have cost the Dems a lot of votes.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Trump: ‘I Need the Kind of Generals That Hitler Had’

The Republican nominee’s preoccupation with dictators, and his disdain for the American military, is deepening.

www.theatlantic.com

Long read.

Fucking spare me with that article. The "unnamed source" shit has come and gone with Trump and you people still fall for it. Not to mention Vanessa Guillen's sister coming out and saying it's full of shit and that she voted for Trump and that she didn't want her sisters' death to be politicized. Everyone on the record who was on the room when he allegedly made those comments said that it is an outright lie. Of course, The Atlantic (founded by one of Kamala's best friends who was in her Senate Swearing in family photo) would publish such horse shit like this two weeks before an election.

 

[NDVirginia19]

 

[Irish#1]

What's your policy? Trump

 

[Bishop2b5]

What's your policy? Trump

I have never heard anyone in my entire life who could use so many words to say absolutely nothing of substance. She can talk for hours about her plans and goals and vision, yet when it's all over, you still have no idea WHAT her goals and vision and plans actually are.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Tells you everything you need to know about these pieces of shit at Atlantic

 

[BleedBlueGold]

RNC pledges undivided support for Trump re-election; state leaders consider canceling caucuses

The RNC passed an unprecedented pledge on Friday to give Trump its "undivided support" before he's the party's official nominee.

abcnews.go.com

Ahhhhh the DNC wanted to put forward their preferred candidate!!!!! This is heinous!!!!! - Voter who never ever intended on voting for a Dem nominee but just wants to complain

***Political parties will always push for their own preferred candidate

.....and the only ones upset at the process are people who would have never voted for any realistic Dem options. The same people saying Biden was too senile to run again, are upset he dropped out and the party picked his VP to be the candidate.

"The DNC should have done exactly what I wanted, no I would never vote for their candidate, but my god! Think of all the registered Dems who got cheated!!!" - Despite seeing the increase in support after Biden dropped out.

You can't be a serious person and be upset at the way the DNC played this.

Yeah why would a guy who's got family/friends that live there, and my career is heavily influenced by the US care about it!

We have the Temu Ted Cruz going to be the next PM so there's really nothing to get worried about here!

Ok? Don't vote for the DNC then? Oh, you weren't going to do that anyways? Got it. The national media? lol the most listened to podcasts/most shared posts/late night panels are conservative. The same people upset at "the media" are already not listening to anything that is more moderate than Fox, but they want them to just report on vibez of Biden being off? Should everyone here be upset that Fox isn't running coverage on Trump's weak spots constantly? I mean, come on lol

So it boils down to you being upset that Dems weren't able to have a better candidate? Wut? Do you understand how politically suicidal it would be to replace Biden/Kamala with someone else? Of course you do, that's why you'd want someone else there lmao.

The levels of complete stupidity in these posts is quite mind blowing. I mean seriously, how can you not understand the issues with a country who's entire foundation was based up on a "Constitutional Federal Republic," being highjacked by a dual party system, one of which elevates a candidate who received no votes? WE THE PEOPLE wield the power and are supposed to vote on the people who will best REPRESENT us and exercise that power. This country has become an oligarchy and your hand waving at its corruption is sickening. Kindly, fuck off.

 

[TorontoGold]

The levels of complete stupidity in these posts is quite mind blowing. I mean seriously, how can you not understand the issues with a country who's entire foundation was based up on a "Constitutional Federal Republic," being highjacked by a dual party system, one of which elevates a candidate who received no votes? WE THE PEOPLE wield the power and are supposed to vote on the people who will best REPRESENT us and exercise that power. This country has become an oligarchy and your hand waving at its corruption is sickening. Kindly, fuck off.

I don't understand? lmao

Buddy, look in the mirror. You've latched on to RFK who is quite literally a political opportunist from a political dynasty and you think I'm the one who doesn't understand? Oh my.

Oh great, the "we the people", ok then don't vote for Harris? If people have an issue with the DNC handled things THEN DON'T VOTE FOR THEM. Do you remember when people were pissed that Bernie got railroaded by the DNC, and they didn't vote for Clinton?

You don't even support progressive policies that move AGAINST the oligarchy, you think RFK is some sort of savior.....he endorsed a convicted felon who's probably the most corrupt politician in the history of the US but you want to lecture about how COnStIuTIOnAL feDERaL rEpubLIC. Is this the part where you say Ermm we aren't a democracy we're a republic! Not realizing that a Republic is just a better defined concept under a Democracy.

 

[NorthDakota]

Trump: ‘I Need the Kind of Generals That Hitler Had’

The Republican nominee’s preoccupation with dictators, and his disdain for the American military, is deepening.

www.theatlantic.com

Long read.

Story doesn't add up. Admittedly can't read it but have seen the reporting.

First, John Kelly has credibility problems. His whole "suckers and losers" thing reflected very poorly on him. Could I be convinced Donald has made some poorly worded comments about how soldiers died needlessly? Of course. But does anyone actually genuinely listen to Donald Trump and think he is basically in the Westboro Baptist Church? No.

Second, timing. Why is Donald saying these things to John Kelly and no one else? Why is he waiting until 2024 to share this stuff? It's all too convenient. Not to be that guy, but I don't think it's nuts to believe a certain type of republican cares much more about Lockheed, Raytheon, etc. than anything else.

For example, Liz Cheney co-sponsored a bill that would have banned abortion nationwide from conception a few years ago. This week, she says she thinks Dobbs (simply allows states to establish state's to dictate abortion within their respective borders) went too far. She thought Kamala was a Marxist or something and now she's campaigning for her.

Next, invoking Hitler's generals loyalty. Even ignoring the repeated issues Hitler had with generals trying to kill him... the allegation is he wants loyalty. Suppose Hitler's generals were loyal, desiring similar loyalty is perfectly normal. Every boss wants dedicated employees. In the film Downfall (Hitler's last days in the bunker), Hitler laments that he didn't purge the German officer corps like Stalin did. Does that make (the movie version) Hitler a commie? No. It means he wishes he had a more competent/loyal/(insert trait/attribute/quality here) staff.

Even so, the convo reads like John Kelly wants to sound deeply serious and is all too convenient. Bismarck's generals? What? Dude had an imaginary conversation in the shower, or is taking comments very far out of context. Hitler is (rightly) considered the personification of evil for basically everyone. If you want to portray someone as evil, Hitler is likely to be used as a comparison. John Kelly is probably a reasonably intelligent person and knows that to tie Donald to Hitler in any way, shape, or form is to portray him in a negative light.

John Kelly is a retired general. That's great for him and I'm grateful for his service, but he's a retired general. He got that rank by playing the game. Maybe I'm a bit jaded as the kid of an officer and I myself am an attorney, people with stars on their shoulder or letters after their name are probably better at lying or misleading than anyone else.

Tl;Dr- allegations read like sour grapes, make little sense, and are a false appeal to authority. Donald learns how fries are made at McDonald's and thinks it's fascinating.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I don't understand? lmao

Buddy, look in the mirror. You've latched on to RFK who is quite literally a political opportunist from a political dynasty and you think I'm the one who doesn't understand? Oh my.

Oh great, the "we the people", ok then don't vote for Harris? If people have an issue with the DNC handled things THEN DON'T VOTE FOR THEM. Do you remember when people were pissed that Bernie got railroaded by the DNC, and they didn't vote for Clinton?

You don't even support progressive policies that move AGAINST the oligarchy, you think RFK is some sort of savior.....he endorsed a convicted felon who's probably the most corrupt politician in the history of the US but you want to lecture about how COnStIuTIOnAL feDERaL rEpubLIC. Is this the part where you say Ermm we aren't a democracy we're a republic! Not realizing that a Republic is just a better defined concept under a Democracy.

Do you remember when people were pissed that Bernie got railroaded by the DNC, and they didn't vote for Clinton?

Do you even hear yourself? This is the third time in as many elections that the DNC has pulled some shit. You think Dem voters actually have a say in it? Yes, I remember that happening. It's the exact moment I woke up to all this nonsense. The DNC and RNC are in the business of amassing and maintaining power....AT THE EXPENSE of their respected constituencies. We should all be calling them out for it.

I never latched myself onto anyone. I've been an IND voter almost my entire adult life. I simply respect and agree with certain principles and philosophies of candidates. Trump, Bernie, RFK, etc. I've agreed and disagreed with all of them. There isn't a perfect politician for me, nor is there a perfect party.

How could you possibly know which progressive policies I support and don't support? And no, RFK is not my savior. Jesus Christ is my Savior and I'm perfectly content with where my renewed faith in Him has lead me. Thank you very much.