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"uH AcTualLy vIoLent CrIme hAs faLlEn aCcoRdIng tO tHe fBi, FacT ChEcK!!!"

Definitely hasn't fallen but it's not really rising either if you read the actual report. It rose compared to 2020/2021 but they're at the same rate 2019. So violent crim went down during COVID because of the lockdowns but the rates are now back to precovid levels

“Findings show that there was an overall decline in the rate of violent victimization over the last three decades, from 1993 to 2023,” said Kevin M. Scott, Ph.D., BJS Acting Director. “While the 2023 rate was higher than those in 2020 and 2021, it was not statistically different from the rate 5 years ago, in 2019.”
 

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I think we splitting hairs, both parties have moved further to their perspective sides over the last ten years. Spending is a disingenuous argument when each party continues to try and outspend the other. It's not really something either party can really say they're doing anything to improve. I don't get the social issue argument when they've basically been fighting for the same social issues for the last 50 years. The others I can see the argument for the others tho.
I don't think we're splitting hairs. Let's try chewing on this piece of bacon, with a few assumptions:

1) Assume the Dems have moved further left and Repubs further right in the past to decades.

2) Assume that Trump wins this election in a few weeks.

Would we arrive at the same conclusion that either the Dems have gone too far left in the past 3 national elections by losing two? And I think many would say the Dems would have lost all 3 if it weren't for Covid hitting in 2020.
 
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I don't think we're splitting hairs. Let's try chewing on this piece of bacon, with a few assumptions:

1) Assume the Dems have moved further left and Repubs further right in the past to decades.

2) Assume that Trump wins this election in a few weeks.

Would we arrive at the same conclusion that either the Dems have gone too far left in the past 3 national elections by losing two? And I think many would say the Dems would have lost all 3 if it weren't for Covid hitting in 2020.

I think we're just going to agree to disagree on this. I just don't see the Democratic party as a whole, swinging as far to left as it comes across from you.
 

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I think we're just going to agree to disagree on this. I just don't see the Democratic party as a whole, swinging as far to left as it comes across from you.
Just yourself if Bill Clinton would have dreamed of allowing 15 million illegals in 3 years, unfroze billions of dollars for Iran, or spent $2 trillion on a Covid stimulus plan after Covid was already in the rearview mirror.
 

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I paused it at 30 seconds... there were a lot of Fords in Europe the last two times I was over there. I just did a Google search to make sure I wasn't crazy and yeah... Ford does appear to be collapsing over there. Sales down almost 50% since 2017. But it appears to have to do with how they got rid of their popular hatchback that everyone liked, not tariffs.

And a lot of the tariffs Trump put in last time around were effective, but others caused major issues and were super counterproductive (see: soy beans). Everything is connected. And the way Trump is presenting these tariffs "they won't raise your price, they will make us money" is disconnected from reality. He is proposing 20% across the board, he is not proposing "don't tax stuff we don't make" like the guy in that video suggests.

In fairness to Trump, Biden kept a lot of Trump tariffs in place and hit China harder on EVs and semiconductors. I felt like Trump's 2016 position "get tough on China who is ripping us off" was pretty spot on, there was just some issues with implementation/execution... his 2024 position of "tax literally everything" is whack though.
 

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I just watched the Fox interview of Harris. Absolute disaster for her. It's 27 minutes of her dodging every single question, not giving a single straight answer, and coming back to "It's all Trump's fault!" for everything. I don't care how much you hate Trump, you're a moron if you think she should run the country. She's not qualified to run a Dairy Queen.
 

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Kamala interview with Bret Baier is going about how you would expect lol
She’s such a disgrace. As is Walz. I’m a Democrat…always have been, but I cannot and will not vote for that ticket. That’s not to say that Trump will get my vote, either (truth be told, I don’t mind Vance at all), but Harris-Walz absolutely not. She (and Biden) are woefully inadequate.

I may sit this one out…
 

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She’s such a disgrace. As is Walz. I’m a Democrat…always have been, but I cannot and will not vote for that ticket. That’s not to say that Trump will get my vote, either (truth be told, I don’t mind Vance at all), but Harris-Walz absolutely not. She (and Biden) are woefully inadequate.

I may sit this one out…
I am thinking I'll leave the top of the ballot blank too, being in ND let's me do many protest votes.
 

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I just watched the Fox interview of Harris. Absolute disaster for her. It's 27 minutes of her dodging every single question, not giving a single straight answer, and coming back to "It's all Trump's fault!" for everything. I don't care how much you hate Trump, you're a moron if you think she should run the country. She's not qualified to run a Dairy Queen.
Democrats should be very irritated they didn't get to have a primary. If people had known Joe was not going to be running again, there is zero chance she was gonna win a primary.

Republicans don't have that excuse. Although idk if Trump would have won the primary absent Joe running. Heck, idk if he would have even run. All hypotheticals I guess.
 

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It's legit bizzaro world coming on here vs what I see on other social media. I did not watch the interview, I have better stuff to do with my time, but I swear to you guys my feed is all about Harris crushing it.
 

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Like this is pretty much my entire feed when I click the trending topic on Twitter:





etc. etc.
 

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It's legit bizzaro world coming on here vs what I see on other social media. I did not watch the interview, I have better stuff to do with my time, but I swear to you guys my feed is all about Harris crushing it.
I don't doubt that her fans and anyone else on the left are claiming she did a great job. The reality, though, is that it's spin and putting lipstick on a hog. She was bad. She at least didn't do the whole word salad and inappropriate nervous laugh thing, but she was still pretty bad. No matter how hard Baier tried to get her to give direct answers to questions about immigration, the economy, and etc., she just flat out refused. She literally didn't give a straight answer to a single question. The entire interview was, Baier: "Where do you stand on X?" Harris: "Well, the real question is blah, blah, blah" or "I'm glad you brought that up. However, blah, blah, blah." I understand that you want to get in your talking points, but she wouldn't give a straight answer to what is 2+2?

She wasn't going to win over any Conservatives no matter what she said. No matter how badly she performed, the Democrats were going to praise her performance and still vote for her. The only important audience was the undecided. She came across as evasive, lacking in depth, and with a "Nothing is my fault... Trump's to blame for everything" attitude. She lost ground with the undecideds tonight by a large margin. Her numbers have been drifting downward for the past few weeks. They'll almost certainly move further downward after tonight.
 

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I'll hand it to her...I didn't think she'd have the balls to sit down with Fox news. I'm not sure it was a homerun for her, probably more of a Hail Mary really. Still, gutsy move, I'm not sure I would have gone into the lion's den if I was running that campaign.
She's very desperate. Internal polling must be awful for her to subject herself to that. Whomever advised this shouldn't be fired, they aren't working with much.

We will see how November goes. It'll be weird.
 

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I'm sure MSNBC and the NYT will spin it differently, but this is a very accurate take on how badly Harris did tonight and why her interview with Fox will almost certainly cost her dearly in the only bloc of voters left to woo: the undecided.


The Telegraph



Kamala Harris’s Fox interview: our experts are united in their verdict

Story by Tony Diver, Poppy Coburn

Kamala Harris’s big Fox gamble did not pay off

Kamala Harris’s interview with Fox News on Wednesday night was never expected to be a friendly affair.


The network has been consistently hostile to the vice-president since she entered the race in July, and this awkward 30 minutes was no different.


There are many within the Harris campaign who thought sitting down with Bret Baier, one of Fox’s most experienced interviewers, was a mistake.


But the stakes were too high. With several swing states too close to call, including battlegrounds that Ms Harris needs to win the presidency, she has just three weeks to convince Republicans to vote for her.


It is hard to see how Wednesday’s interview achieved that goal. On almost every subject, Ms Harris batted away policy questions and opportunities to push her plan for the White House in favour of slamming Donald Trump.


Ms Harris described
border security as a “topic of discussion that people want to rightly have”, but then didn’t talk about it. She talked about Trump’s role in blocking Joe Biden’s border deal, and offered no solutions of her own.


She was then asked why voters do not trust her to tackle inflation, and she talked about Trump’s economic plan, not her own. A question about transgender operations in federal prisons produced a response about Trump.


Even in the most newsworthy section of the interview, about how her White House
would differ from Mr Biden’s, Ms Harris suggested she would avoid “the kind of rhetoric coming from Donald Trump”.


It is hard to imagine that this strategy was compelling for Fox News viewers, who are almost all likely to think Trump’s policy positions are at the least defensible, more probably laudable.


Ms Harris has spent weeks on the back foot, unable to answer detailed policy questions even in softball interviews with Left-wing outlets. When she finally sat down with Fox, she could only attack the man the network most supports.


The other theme of the interview, which got heated at times as Mr Baier tried to interrupt Ms Harris, was Mr Biden’s legacy.


Ms Harris is stuck with the inheritance of his administration, including a record of high inflation and record border crossings.


She must support him and continue the fiction that he is mentally agile, while trying to run a campaign based on a “new generation of change”.


Many Republicans will have tuned in to hear Ms Harris face their favourite anchor on Wednesday.


After hearing her answers, my instinct is that they will still support Trump. What alternative did Ms Harris offer?


Patronising, stuttering, this was a disaster for Harris

Kamala Harris is evidently sensitive to criticism over her reticence to take interviews, even with friendly outlets. Well, on Fox, she was ready to prove the critics wrong.


Fox News proved it was no friend to Kamala almost instantly, with host Bret Baier immediately questioning the Democratic administration’s handling of illegal immigration.


Harris isn’t the first Dem politician to get frustrated at a Fox host, but her brittle demeanour hardly covered her in glory. Refusing to answer how many illegal aliens had entered the US under the Biden administration or to express regret in the termination of the Remain in Mexico policy, Harris instead expressed theatrical exasperation at being unable to “finish the questions” due to interruption – ultimately dodging them entirely. It was a performance worthy of Trump himself.


Indeed, Harris could hardly keep the former president’s name out of her mouth, repeatedly attacking his “point-scoring” while avoiding her personal failures to get a handle on the crisis while supposedly serving as “border tsar”. Accusing Trump of political games on border control may be true, but it is hardly a convincing line of attack at the tail end of election season.


Voters “want a president who has a plan for the future”. But Harris could hardly get the words out to tell us what hers is. And what was up with Harris’s voice? Her tone wavered like a Pennsylvania independent. It was difficult to believe that this was the same woman who comfortably ran rings around Trump in the first debate.


Her nervous stutters and oddly patronising rhetoric (asked by the host if she thought voters were stupid, she drawled “I would never say that about the American people!”) made for painful watching.


With an electorate this polarised, even winning over the rare Fox viewer who isn’t a fully signed-up Republican could make a difference. But this interview was a disaster: three weeks out to the election, Harris still looks like an amateur.
 

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It's legit bizzaro world coming on here vs what I see on other social media. I did not watch the interview, I have better stuff to do with my time, but I swear to you guys my feed is all about Harris crushing it.
Mine is just the opposite. As Bishop said, the Dems are going to say she nailed it and the GOP is going to point out how bad she was. Two things I noticed: 1. She kept blaming Trump for pretty much everything and 2. She never gave a direct answer.

 
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