'25 MS QB Deuce Knight Auburn Verbal Ole Miss ???

Quarterback
Lucedale, MS
George County

Measurements
Ht: 6'4"
Wt: 185

Ratings
247: .................. #8 QB, #66 OA, 93 Rating
247 Comp: ..... #8 QB, #51 OA, .9729
Rivals: ............... #1 QB-D, #52 OA, 5.9
ESPN: ................ #2 QB-D, #133 OA, 82
On3: ................. #6 QB, #54 OA, 94


Offers
Notre Dame ......... Offered 3-17-23 ....... Committed 9-18-23
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Deuce Knight on Hudl

Watch Deuce Knight's videos and highlights on Hudl. More info: George County High School - Boys' Varsity Basketball / PG / Class of 2025 / Lucedale, MS

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[arndtjc]

All is good, have no fear

On the course we stay, no dropping Deuce today

—Sea Turtle, probably

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

It'll be interesting to see. Not sure what the situation was with his transfer back home last year--homesickness?

Just with the way things go nowadays with the portal/NIL and early returns on Carr looking very promising and fact Carr will have a year's head start on him, I'm just not placing a lot of expectations on this situation

Probably going to be tough for schools to stockpile and retain elite qb prospects on their rosters on a year over year basis. An every/other year gap seems like it will be more realistic. But doesn't mean teams shouldn't still try I guess

Would be nice if Knight and Grubb/Hart were flip flopped in order

This was 'a mike' earlier in the recruiting process before he started to let the angst fly.

So the early returns on Carr look very promising (agree) but he's not someone who can win a national championship. Only Deuce could've done that because ND's WR recruiting is so bad this year. But last year it was pretty good and they seem willing to fill the holes via NIL when they are unable to get traction.

You saw this coming like most of us but now, it's the staff's fault because they should've done #things to never let Auburn get a foot in the door.

 

[a mike]

This was 'a mike' earlier in the recruiting process before he started to let the angst fly.

So the early returns on Carr look very promising (agree) but he's not someone who can win a national championship. Only Deuce could've done that because ND's WR recruiting is so bad this year. But last year it was pretty good and they seem willing to fill the holes via NIL when they are unable to get traction.

You saw this coming like most of us but now, it's the staff's fault because they should've done #things to never let Auburn get a foot in the door.

This recent topic of conversation was kicked off by pointing out the poor taste accusations being thrown at Knight for posters own typical sour grapes coping as always occurs when it appears they will lose a recruit.

Freeman and Brown completely whiffed at WR and in particular the miss on Meadows opened up the door which coupled with a likely fondness for home has ND in their current predicament.

It's Freeman's responsibility to either push past the objections, suss them out earlier in the process and move on, or have the presence of mind to know which prospects to allocate time and resources on.

To wit, posters should be aiming their angst at Freeman, not a Knight or his parents.

Yes, we can all agree Carr is a good prospect. To say otherwise would be sheer lunacy. But given the obvious transpirings that are occurring with WR recruiting along with his ceiling--it would be a better situation were ND to have Knight rather than Carr.

It's difficult, but ultimately what Freeman and staff are paid to do. I just don't see the big deal about pointing these items out?

 

[PutuporShutup]

This recent topic of conversation was kicked off by pointing out the poor taste accusations being thrown at Knight for posters own typical sour grapes coping as always occurs when it appears they will lose a recruit.

Freeman and Brown completely whiffed at WR and in particular the miss on Meadows opened up the door which coupled with a likely fondness for home has ND in their current predicament.

It's Freeman's responsibility to either push past the objections, suss them out earlier in the process and move on, or have the presence of mind to know which prospects to allocate time and resources on.

To wit, posters should be aiming their angst at Freeman, not a Knight or his parents.

Yes, we can all agree Carr is a good prospect. To say otherwise would be sheer lunacy. But given the obvious transpirings that are occurring with WR recruiting along with his ceiling--it would be a better situation were ND to have Knight rather than Carr.

It's difficult, but ultimately what Freeman and staff are paid to do. I just don't see the big deal about pointing these items out?

Gilbert and Williams have to be home runs and stay with ND. You aren't getting home runs in the portal. What we got in the portal this past year is as good as you can hope for at ND with WR. A starter and 2 depth players, no early round draft picks. That has to become Gilbert and Williams if we hope to have elite WR play.

To your earlier post, this isn't like Ohio State where they just need 1 out of every 3 5 star WRs to become studs because they land so many every year.

 

[ulukinatme]

All is good, have no fear

On the course we stay, no dropping Deuce today

—Sea Turtle, probably

 

[TorontoGold]

Yes, we can all agree Carr is a good prospect. To say otherwise would be sheer lunacy. But given the obvious transpirings that are occurring with WR recruiting along with his ceiling--it would be a better situation were ND to have Knight rather than Carr.

How do you figure this?

 

[Hautian Domer]

Freeman has had some hits. He’s had some misses. His early classes have been nice, but this one has seen some faltering. I have an odd feeling he’s plotting a quicker exit than a longer stay. The burnout is what they get paid for as coaches, but the world of recruiting is so up and down. There are a lot more chips in on this year than most others. If we have a deep playoff run or more this season, he’ll get more looks from bigger programs. He’s not unintelligent. He has to know that a loss of Deuce is bad. Not the end of the world, but not easily overlooked. Overall, his contingencies have not been nearly as strong this recruiting cycle, which could potentially suggest other underlying factors. The coaching staff being lazy has not been the modus operandi. Why rest on their laurels now?

What makes you think that? And where would he realistically go? Right now, I’m not so sure he’d be in any contention for a better job. He was raked over the coals by national media after the Ohio State game and he really doesn’t have one career defining win or accomplishment. He’s got arguably the best two coordinators…he just needs to stay the course and keep loading up our roster. The results will come.

 

[PutuporShutup]

How do you figure this?

If our WR play isn't elite (or at least really good), you'll need a dual threat QB to off set it to win it all. Like Vince Young in 2005.

 

[ulukinatme]

Yes, we can all agree Carr is a good prospect. To say otherwise would be sheer lunacy. But given the obvious transpirings that are occurring with WR recruiting along with his ceiling--it would be a better situation were ND to have Knight rather than Carr.

Nah, fuck that. I don't want flakes on this team. Carr did just fine throwing to the receivers we already had available in the Spring, and we were missing a few. Carr is the real deal.

 

[HouseofPain]

I dont think a person like Knight will ever be content no matter where he lands. No matter where he goes, it wont end there.
I would rather have Carr and be able to build around his skill set 100% more than someone like Knight.

 

[stlnd01]

If our WR play isn't elite (or at least really good), you'll need a dual threat QB to off set it to win it all. Like Vince Young in 2005.

FWIW, the reigning national champions* had neither elite WR play nor a dual threat QB. I don't know that most would say Georgia did the year before either. There are several ways to win a title.

 

[TorontoGold]

If our WR play isn't elite (or at least really good), you'll need a dual threat QB to off set it to win it all. Like Vince Young in 2005.

Sure, but we've already seen what happens more recently when you have an unpolished DT QB with a poor set of WR's in 2022 Buchner.

I find it really tough to believe that a QB who's already shown growth in the system, and has worked with the WR's on the team already - is somehow less likely to win a championship than a QB who isn't even on campus yet and the industry has stated he needs development.

Carr was the #6 QB on the 247 composite vs Knight #5. This isn't Angeli vs Knight.

I want Knight, but to write-off Carr as incapable of winning is moronic.

 

[a mike]

Gilbert and Williams have to be home runs and stay with ND. You aren't getting home runs in the portal. What we got in the portal this past year is as good as you can hope for at ND with WR. A starter and 2 depth players, no early round draft picks. That has to become Gilbert and Williams if we hope to have elite WR play.

To your earlier post, this isn't like Ohio State where they just need 1 out of every 3 5 star WRs to become studs because they land so many every year.

Yes agree. Would have to go 2/2 which basically doesn't even happen for OSU, Bama, etc with all their 5-stars. That's why have to stack class, upon class, upon class to account for the inevitable busts.

Also agree that unless ND starts taking undergrad transfers at WR, the portal will never yield much more than depth. An elite player that would contribute to building a national championship caliber WR room would just go pro after his JR/SR year. Not going to bother grad transferring somewhere else.

But everyone will just go HO HUM HO HUM around here until ND signs a late stages KK Smith type and then they will get all excited and proclaim glory and future national championships over it.

Just doesn't seem like most posters here follow other teams or CFB in general. Get stuck in their ND echochamber whereby they form a mass pyschosis/reality that leads them to believe Gilbert beating some walkons in spring practice and getting one top 50 WR in five years has ND's WR room all of a sudden on par with Texas, OSU, LSU, etc.

Then when you try to square them with reality and burst their insulated bubble a bit--can't deal with it emotionally and start to become unglued.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

FWIW, the reigning national champions* had neither elite WR play nor a dual threat QB. I don't know that most would say Georgia did the year before either. There are several ways to win a title.

One of the ways is to cheat. Carry on.

 

[Irish#1]

Nah, fuck that. I don't want flakes on this team. Carr did just fine throwing to the receivers we already had available in the Spring, and we were missing a few. Carr is the real deal.

FWIW, the reigning national champions* had neither elite WR play nor a dual threat QB. I don't know that most would say Georgia did the year before either. There are several ways to win a title.

Yep, a good QB can make the receiver. I'll take a Peyton Manning over a Lamar Jackson any day.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes agree. Would have to go 2/2 which basically doesn't even happen for OSU, Bama, etc with all their 5-stars. That's why have to stack class, upon class, upon class to account for the inevitable busts.

Also agree that unless ND starts taking undergrad transfers at WR, the portal will never yield much more than depth. An elite player that would contribute to building a national championship caliber WR room would just go pro after his JR/SR year. Not going to bother grad transferring somewhere else.

But everyone will just go HO HUM HO HUM around here until ND signs a late stages KK Smith type and then they will get all excited and proclaim glory and future national championships over it.

Just doesn't seem like most posters here follow other teams or CFB in general. Get stuck in their ND echochamber whereby they form a mass pyschosis/reality that leads them to believe Gilbert beating some walkons in spring practice and getting one top 50 WR in five years has ND's WR room all of a sudden on par with Texas, OSU, LSU, etc.

Then when you try to square them with reality and burst their insulated bubble a bit--can't deal with it emotionally and start to become unglued.

It's not that at all. It's that you keep posting the same thing over and over.

 

[PutuporShutup]

FWIW, the reigning national champions* had neither elite WR play nor a dual threat QB. I don't know that most would say Georgia did the year before either. There are several ways to win a title.

Fair. They did have a QB just drafted top 10, and both their WRs drafted with one third round. They also had the best oline and Defense in the country, and one of the easiest schedules. There are other ways, yes, but more difficult to replicate.

 

[mrmcgrail]

I don't think there isn't a person who isn't disappointed in the wr recruiting this year. Especially after you thought you for sure had 2 of the 3 and you passed on some guys

 

[NDohio]

I don't think there isn't a person who isn't disappointed in the wr recruiting this year. Especially after you thought you for sure had 2 of the 3 and you passed on some guys

Right, it's just that some feel that we need to know every single day that WR recruiting has been a failure and others get it off their chest and move on.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

This recent topic of conversation was kicked off by pointing out the poor taste accusations being thrown at Knight for posters own typical sour grapes coping as always occurs when it appears they will lose a recruit.

Freeman and Brown completely whiffed at WR and in particular the miss on Meadows opened up the door which coupled with a likely fondness for home has ND in their current predicament.

It's Freeman's responsibility to either push past the objections, suss them out earlier in the process and move on, or have the presence of mind to know which prospects to allocate time and resources on.

To wit, posters should be aiming their angst at Freeman, not a Knight or his parents.

Yes, we can all agree Carr is a good prospect. To say otherwise would be sheer lunacy. But given the obvious transpirings that are occurring with WR recruiting along with his ceiling--it would be a better situation were ND to have Knight rather than Carr.

It's difficult, but ultimately what Freeman and staff are paid to do. I just don't see the big deal about pointing these items out?

Most of what isn't highlighted, I agree with but I have no need to say it multiple times, in multiple threads across multiple days. I think this is my exhaustion showing from the constant banging of the drum. An overwhelming majority agree, we want to see a better WR class than we currently have and we hope they can find a good QB prospect.

The bolded is what I disagree with. It's far better, always, to have the more polished, more developed QB than the phenomenal athlete with all the tools who likely needs 2+ years of development. I don't know how quickly things could fall into place for Deuce but I know Carr is waiting in the wings and his spring game was wildly impressive given he had been on campus for 4 months. Carr makes WRs look better.

I'd take Carr or a prospect like Carr 9/10 when given the option. Maybe once a decade taking a chance on an athlete and even then, I'd probably regret not taking the Carr-like prospect because he might be the transcendent one. I don't want Anthony Richardson for 4 years, I want Joe Burrow (or P Mahomes if that's on the table )

Serious question: if I offered you Knight or Carr every other cycle, who would you take?

 

[stlnd01]

Fair. They did have a QB just drafted top 10, and both their WRs drafted with one third round. They also had the best oline and Defense in the country, and one of the easiest schedules. There are other ways, yes, but more difficult to replicate.

Carr and McCarthy profiled similarly as recruits, and neither are Vince Young. Michigan's WRs were four-stars as recruits but not exactly elite; comparable to guys currently in our WR room. We, too, have one of the best defenses in the country, and usually one of the best OLs. Our schedule this year is softer than theirs was last year. I dunno. Like I said, there are several ways to win a title.

 

[mrmcgrail]

The thing I don't get either is this hasn't been just a Freeman problem Notre Dame in general hasn't been able to stack receiver classes since Weis. Obviously the lack of NFL products has made people be able to negatively recruit nd. The guys going nuts on Freeman is where I don't see eye to eye

 

[a mike]

I'd take Carr or a prospect like Carr 9/10 when given the option. Maybe once a decade taking a chance on an athlete and even then, I'd probably regret not taking the Carr-like prospect because he might be the transcendent one. I don't want Anthony Richardson for 4 years, I want Joe Burrow (or P Mahomes if that's on the table )

Serious question: if I offered you Knight or Carr every other cycle, who would you take?

I'll answer the question but you will need to understand I'm not operating under the same presumption as you that every Carr type QB prospect will have a high floor with the added benefit of the upside of a Pro Bowler. Obviously anyone would opt for that option.

I view Carr as an already very polished and ready made QB prospect with a very high floor. He should be a very accurate passer and plus athlete.

With that said, I don't believe he can ever be a transcendent type like say Trevor Lawrence or Deshaun Watson because he doesn't possess the same physical traits. I would actually say Riley Leonard would have more potential/ability for that than Carr. Think Lawerence being able to pivot over to his running ability against OSU in their semi final game a few years ago when the passing game wasn't working. That simply wouldn't be an option with a Carr type QB.

I view Carr as more of a JJ Mccarthy type. Now before everyone spazzes and points out Michigan just won a title with him--it needs to be pointed out that Michigan had an extreme outlier profile from your typical national championship team and a case could be made that little of the championship could be attributed to his play.

As I have noted, I'm not very confident in the current coaching staffs ability to consistently stock the WR room with a bunch of Jamar Chases and Justin Jeffersons which ultimately would place a ceiling on an offense even if it were to be ran by a very accurate and effective pocket passing QB with also a little bit of running ability.

I also would prefer the potential upside of being able to actually win a national championship than the safe but ultimately pointless 9-3 to blowout playoff/national championship purgatory that had plagued this program since circa 1994.

Also, I would presume in the off years that ND would be able to add the typical same, mid, boring QB prospect that can get them still within the same mid, boring, 9-3ish to blowout purgatory anyways.

Thus, under my prescribed stipulations and thought processes on the matter--I would prefer indulging in the raw, high up side, potentially transcendent prospect every other year and see what happens over a boring JJ Mccarthy type.

 

[smallz1531]

Carr has midlevel round draft talent if not higher. You can win a national title with that. Saying he is a 9-3 QB is saying he is the same as Sam Hartman which is not the case. Now the whole deuce or carr every cycle the only reason I would take deuce would be because you only need to hit on one every 3 to 4 years to be a perennial powerhouse

 

[ulukinatme]

Carr has midlevel round draft talent if not higher. You can win a national title with that. Saying he is a 9-3 QB is saying he is the same as Sam Hartman which is not the case. Now the whole deuce or carr every cycle the only reason I would take deuce would be because you only need to hit on one every 3 to 4 years to be a perennial powerhouse

I think Deuce is going to go the same route as Moore. He'll play for a year and then go somewhere else to flame out.

 

[NDpendent]

I think Deuce is going to go the same route as Moore. He'll play for a year and then go somewhere else to flame out.

Just a hunch, I think Duece will have a great career. Much better then Moore. Kid has a freak arm

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I tend to agree with the naysayers here. Our WR room and recruiting is far below other playoff caliber teams. To say this has an impact on QB recruiting is fair.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'll answer the question but you will need to understand I'm not operating under the same presumption as you that every Carr type QB prospect will have a high floor with the added benefit of the upside of a Pro Bowler. Obviously anyone would opt for that option.

I view Carr as an already very polished and ready made QB prospect with a very high floor. He should be a very accurate passer and plus athlete.

With that said, I don't believe he can ever be a transcendent type like say Trevor Lawrence or Deshaun Watson because he doesn't possess the same physical traits. I would actually say Riley Leonard would have more potential/ability for that than Carr. Think Lawerence being able to pivot over to his running ability against OSU in their semi final game a few years ago when the passing game wasn't working. That simply wouldn't be an option with a Carr type QB.

I view Carr as more of a JJ Mccarthy type. Now before everyone spazzes and points out Michigan just won a title with him--it needs to be pointed out that Michigan had an extreme outlier profile from your typical national championship team and a case could be made that little of the championship could be attributed to his play.

As I have noted, I'm not very confident in the current coaching staffs ability to consistently stock the WR room with a bunch of Jamar Chases and Justin Jeffersons which ultimately would place a ceiling on an offense even if it were to be ran by a very accurate and effective pocket passing QB with also a little bit of running ability.

I also would prefer the potential upside of being able to actually win a national championship than the safe but ultimately pointless 9-3 to blowout playoff/national championship purgatory that had plagued this program since circa 1994.

Also, I would presume in the off years that ND would be able to add the typical same, mid, boring QB prospect that can get them still within the same mid, boring, 9-3ish to blowout purgatory anyways.

Thus, under my prescribed stipulations and thought processes on the matter--I would prefer indulging in the raw, high up side, potentially transcendent prospect every other year and see what happens over a boring JJ Mccarthy type.

You're right, we value Carr very differently. You're making the safe pick, very few QBs prove to be top 5-10 over their careers. Carr's poise as a freshman showed me he is capable of reading defenses and going through is progressions as an 18yo. I can't wait to see him competing next year, I think he's committed and he's growing every day.

Coupled with Landow and Guidugli, I think he's going to win a lot of games at ND. I'll take that over a not-fully-committed athlete QB who has high potential. Knight may turn out to be a top draft pick but 98% of the time, these guys flame out.

Carr never wavered and he has all of the tools.

 

[HouseofPain]

I would take Carr 100% of the time over Knight. Not even close.

 

[choo choo]

I would take Carr 100% of the time over Knight. Not even close.

If I could only have one, yes I'd take carr