2023 Transfer QB

[FightingIrishLover7]

Gordle Porker made Hartman look terrible. Sam is a MUCH better QB than Buchner. Our offense would have been historically bad if we were dependent on Tyler.

Honestly, I am not as sure as you.
Sam was a square peg that Parker/Freeman wanted to fit into a round hole.
Buchner probably fits their "system" better, in hindsight.

But, Buchner is a worse QB...so maybe his power skill still overwhelms his better system fit...who knows.

 

[GATTACA!]

Honestly, I am not as sure as you.
Sam was a square peg that Parker/Freeman wanted to fit into a round hole.
Buchner probably fits their "system" better, in hindsight.

But, Buchner is a worse QB...so maybe his power skill still overwhelms his better system fit...who knows.

What is their “system” I’ve seen no indications that they have any offensive identity. Also who cares if one of the QBs is throwing the ball in the dirt and to the other team.

Idk how this is even debatable. Tyler followed Rees who knows exactly how to utilize his skill set, is a better OC than Parker, has a better surrounding cast, and still looked absolutely horrible.

How many times does he have to look bad before people just accept that he isn’t a good QB?

 

[PutuporShutup]

So does our offense when we're not facing teams as bad a Pitt.


Buchner is also running Alabama's system this year, not the one he learned under Tommy. Buchner scored 45 against a Top 25 South Carolina team last year. He even scored a few for South Carolina, that's just good sportsmanship!

Tommy is the OC for bama 😊

He scored 45 vs south Carolina’s second team

 

[T-Boone]

I wonder if We could turn the clock back and remind Hartman that one play one life means scramble for every single inch when you do run then we get that first down maybe win that OSU game and the season just keeps chugging along.

 

[ulukinatme]

Tommy is the OC for bama 😊

He scored 45 vs south Carolina’s second team

Second team is a bit of an exaggeration. Tommy just put up 49 points on Kentucky, which is 2 less than what Georgia did to them. That offense is getting better each week, ours has not. If Tommy stayed he beats Clemson and OSU, possibly Louisville.

 

[BeatSC]

Buchner was a dangerous player, both for us and the other team. Given how good our defense was this season and the extra threat of Buchner's legs I don't see our record being that different with him under center. He played OSU pretty close last season prior to injury, I think he could have again and possibly won this time. Our protection this year was actually better than last year's game. Like I said, I think he still loses against Louisville and Clemson as Hartman did, but what other game would Buchner lose? Duke would have struggled with his dual threat nature, it would have provided other opportunities agianst NC State as well. All the other games were too far out of reach. Maybe we got 6-4 with him, but it's also possible we could be 10-2.

Buchner looked awful in the blue gold game and in the Bama USF game which was a much tougher game than thought. With that said if you look at the bowl game last year he put up 45 points (yeah I know the 3 ints but one of those at least is on Rees. I can’t imagine him or anyone playing worse than Sam did against Clemson. Sam wasn’t exactly all world against Duke either. I loved to watch Buchner run.

 

[ulukinatme]

Buchner looked awful in the blue gold game and in the Bama USF game which was a much tougher game than thought. With that said if you look at the bowl game last year he put up 45 points (yeah I know the 3 ints but one of those at least is on Rees. I can’t imagine him or anyone playing worse than Sam did against Clemson. Sam wasn’t exactly all world against Duke either. I loved to watch Buchner run.

Exactly. Buchner was dangerous with the turnovers, but he could also be very dangerous running the ball and slinging it. Maybe Duke's stout defense gets the better of him, or maybe his feet keep them honest like Travis did when FSU beat them. OSU has shown mobile QBs give them fits. I'm not about to say we'd be 6-4 or worse with Buchner at QB, although I guess it really depends on what Porker would have done with him. I guess we could have been worse than 6-4 too. Taking Porker out of the equation, and the OL playing better this year against OSU than they did last year, I think Buchner would have gotten the win this time around. So yeah, maybe we'd be 6-4 right now with Buchner, but we just as easily could be 8-2 or 9-1.

One thing is for certain, Porker squandered a year with Hartman.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Second team is a bit of an exaggeration. Tommy just put up 49 points on Kentucky, which is 2 less than what Georgia did to them. That offense is getting better each week, ours has not. If Tommy stayed he beats Clemson and OSU, possibly Louisville.

Agree, my point was you said Buchner was learning bamas offense… he was learning Tommy’s, which is very much like what he ran at nd so he had bigger leg up to start spring

 

[ulukinatme]

Agree, my point was you said Buchner was learning bamas offense… he was learning Tommy’s, which is very much like what he ran at nd so he had bigger leg up to start spring

Word is Saban wanted Tommy running Bama's system, not his own. I haven't watched much of their games so I can't confirm that. That's just what I heard.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

What is their “system” I’ve seen no indications that they have any offensive identity. Also who cares if one of the QBs is throwing the ball in the dirt and to the other team.

Idk how this is even debatable. Tyler followed Rees who knows exactly how to utilize his skill set, is a better OC than Parker, has a better surrounding cast, and still looked absolutely horrible.

How many times does he have to look bad before people just accept that he isn’t a good QB?

Their system is Tressel Ball.
Buchner is more Tressel Ball than Slow Mesh Sam is.

Buchner is still worse at being a QB though. So I still don't know

 

[Luckylucci]

Pass.

Same. Dude throws sledge hammers.

He played in 7 games this season. Did not have a passing TD in 4 of the 7. Had a comp pct below 60% in 4 of 7. In fact, he had a comp pct below 45% in 3 of the 7 games. Had less than 5.5 yds/att in thise 4 games.

On the season he has 3 TD’s to 3 INT’s. His season comp pct. is 57.5%. His season yds/att is 6.7.

Against teams with a pulse hes Wimbush/Buchner. No thank you.

 

[NDWarrior]

Same. Dude throws sledge hammers.

He played in 7 games this season. Did not have a passing TD in 4 of the 7. Had a comp pct below 60% in 4 of 7. In fact, he had a comp pct below 45% in 3 of the 7 games. Had less than 5.5 yds/att in thise 4 games.

On the season he has 3 TD’s to 3 INT’s. His season comp pct. is 57.5%. His season yds/att is 6.7.

Against teams with a pulse hes Wimbush/Buchner. No thank you.

Same. Dude throws sledge hammers.

He played in 7 games this season. Did not have a passing TD in 4 of the 7. Had a comp pct below 60% in 4 of 7. In fact, he had a comp pct below 45% in 3 of the 7 games. Had less than 5.5 yds/att in thise 4 games.

On the season he has 3 TD’s to 3 INT’s. His season comp pct. is 57.5%. His season yds/att is 6.7.

Against teams with a pulse hes Wimbush/Buchner. No thank you.

100%... Not fully proven at this point and we already got too many half-baked cakes across the team rn

 

[Crazy Balki]

Honestly, I am not as sure as you.
Sam was a square peg that Parker/Freeman wanted to fit into a round hole.
Buchner probably fits their "system" better, in hindsight.

But, Buchner is a worse QB...so maybe his power skill still overwhelms his better system fit...who knows.

Yeah, I gotta side with Uluk on this one.

Hartman is without question the better QB in a vacuum, but let's face it, Hartman has STUNK the past 5 games.

56% passing, 4 TDs to 7 INTs. That's putrid.

I'm not confident that Buchner would've magically had us on a playoff run, but I don't see a situation where we're getting worse QB play than we've seen the past 5 games. It's been bad.

 

[Grahambo]

Same. Dude throws sledge hammers.

He played in 7 games this season. Did not have a passing TD in 4 of the 7. Had a comp pct below 60% in 4 of 7. In fact, he had a comp pct below 45% in 3 of the 7 games. Had less than 5.5 yds/att in thise 4 games.

On the season he has 3 TD’s to 3 INT’s. His season comp pct. is 57.5%. His season yds/att is 6.7.

Against teams with a pulse hes Wimbush/Buchner. No thank you.

I’d rather they roll with Carr, Minchey, Angeli.

 

[irishandy]

It may hurt, but I don't expect much next season. We need to roll with one of our own guys next season and build. Can't take 3 transfers in 4 years, it'll scare away future recruits and you better believe other schools will be using that to negative recruit.

This post says it all and I 100% agree with you.

On paper ND is a 10-2, 11-1 team this year with Sam Hartman. Does Hartman commit to ND if Parker was our OC?? After last season I would agree that ND needed a transfer QB this season and for the most part it has been a failure mainly because of Parker. This season should've been a smooth transition for Parker and I expected next season to be more challenging for him.

ND does need to roll with either Angeli or Minchey, guys that have been in the program, and guys that should be getting developed. A QB transfer doesn't guarantee a thing for me. CJ Carr is 100% in but I could see it scaring Knight away and other schools to use against ND on how they handle their QB situation.

Instead of a QB transfer, I think ND needs to look at the OC position and get a proven OC.

 

[MacIrish75]

This post says it all and I 100% agree with you.

On paper ND is a 10-2, 11-1 team this year with Sam Hartman. Does Hartman commit to ND if Parker was our OC?? After last season I would agree that ND needed a transfer QB this season and for the most part it has been a failure mainly because of Parker. This season should've been a smooth transition for Parker and I expected next season to be more challenging for him.

ND does need to roll with either Angeli or Minchey, guys that have been in the program, and guys that should be getting developed. A QB transfer doesn't guarantee a thing for me. CJ Carr is 100% in but I could see it scaring Knight away and other schools to use against ND on how they handle their QB situation.

Instead of a QB transfer, I think ND needs to look at the OC position and get a proven OC.

If Parker is here next year, we riot.

We need a proven OC with a GT QB.

 

[stlnd01]

If Parker is here next year, we riot.

We need a proven OC with a GT QB.

Trying to envision a bunch of middle-aged dudes with laptops scattered all over the country executing a riot outside the Gug.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Same. Dude throws sledge hammers.

He played in 7 games this season. Did not have a passing TD in 4 of the 7. Had a comp pct below 60% in 4 of 7. In fact, he had a comp pct below 45% in 3 of the 7 games. Had less than 5.5 yds/att in thise 4 games.

On the season he has 3 TD’s to 3 INT’s. His season comp pct. is 57.5%. His season yds/att is 6.7.

Against teams with a pulse hes Wimbush/Buchner. No thank you.

Look at last years stats when he was healthy, oline was healthy and he had wrs healthy. Duke wrs after injury may be worse than nd this year somehow

Riley last year had 3000 yds passing 700 rushing completed 64% of his passes 33 total tds and 6 picks

We don’t have a qb that will be ready to do that next year.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Yeah, I gotta side with Uluk on this one.

Hartman is without question the better QB in a vacuum, but let's face it, Hartman has STUNK the past 5 games.

56% passing, 4 TDs to 7 INTs. That's putrid.

I'm not confident that Buchner would've magically had us on a playoff run, but I don't see a situation where we're getting worse QB play than we've seen the past 5 games. It's been bad.

Again, as bad as Hartman has been, what Buchner did vs Marshall or usf this year is beyond bad. It can always get worse despite people thinking it can’t

 

[MacIrish75]

Trying to envision a bunch of middle-aged dudes with laptops scattered all over the country executing a riot outside the Gug.

I’ll use all my Ace rewards to buy a pitchfork and do this the right way.

 

[irishandy]

For those ripping on Hartman, Hartman has made plays happen against Duke, Clemson. I would agree that he hasn't looked his best the past few games- inconsistent offensive line play hasn't helped and our WR problems haven't helped. When he throws a pick it seems to throw him off the rest of the game.

Go get a new OC and let Angeli and Minchey battle it out to start vs A&M.

 

[PutuporShutup]

For those ripping on Hartman, Hartman has made plays happen against Duke, Clemson. I would agree that he hasn't looked his best the past few games- inconsistent offensive line play hasn't helped and our WR problems haven't helped. When he throws a pick it seems to throw him off the rest of the game.

Go get a new OC and let Angeli and Minchey battle it out to start vs A&M.

He can run a really good offense he can’t take over an offense. He can’t make up for Parker and wr issues. We have 6th year qb and run on something like 80% of first down plays. That’s fine vs lesser opponents but at some point you have to try and actually score vs a good D

 

[stlnd01]

Look at last years stats when he was healthy, oline was healthy and he had wrs healthy. Duke wrs after injury may be worse than nd this year somehow

Riley last year had 3000 yds passing 700 rushing completed 64% of his passes 33 total tds and 6 picks

We don’t have a qb that will be ready to do that next year.

Yeah I had the same "no thanks" thought when I recalled Riley's performance against us and looked at his stats this year. But last year he was like a different, and much better, QB. Including going 29-41 for 391 yards and 4 TDs to beat Sam Hartman

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Now, if we're going to take a transfer QB who's coming off a season-derailing injury, I might still rather have Cam Rising, because he's done more winning. But looking at those numbers you see why Riley was thought of as a first round pick.

 

[DillonHall]

Hartman 2023 and Pyne 2022 have very similar stats. It's funny that we make excuses for Hartman but had no problems criticizing Pyne. Drew had some bad circumstances too last year

 

[stlnd01]

And yeah, Hartman isn't a one-man offense. And he could've been better in spots for sure.
But in terms of the things that are holding back our offense I'd rank Hartman behind the OC and the WRs, no question, and maybe the interior OL too.

 

[Grahambo]

Yeah I had the same "no thanks" thought when I recalled Riley's performance against us and looked at his stats this year. But last year he was like a different, and much better, QB. Including going 29-41 for 391 yards and 4 TDs to beat Sam Hartman

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Now, if we're going to take a transfer QB who's coming off a season-derailing injury, I might still rather have Cam Rising, because he's done more winning. But looking at those numbers you see why Riley was thought of as a first round pick.

Which version of Riley Leonard would ND be getting? At least with Cam, he’s had back to back seasons of plus QB play.

Both are a gamble.

 

[DillonHall]

Leonard is my clear #1 over Rising. Based on just highlights, he's a legitimate NFL prospect and Rising is not. But why would Leonard come to ND?

1. Better arm
2. Better runner (his 2022 running highlights are very impressive)
3. Less severe injury history
4. I'd rather have a 4th year college player than a SEVENTH year QB

 

[DillonHall]

Which version of Riley Leonard would ND be getting? At least with Cam, he’s had back to back seasons of plus QB play.

Both are a gamble.

He had a decent start to the season but injuries really derailed it

 

[Luckylucci]

And Brennan Armstrong once had a good season. I’m not going after a guy that had a good season, two seasons ago.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Which version of Riley Leonard would ND be getting? At least with Cam, he’s had back to back seasons of plus QB play.

Both are a gamble.

His injury vs nd was bad, he’s tried to play through it and just can’t causing other injury. I’m good with Leonard rising Pratt, but I think Leonard has the most potential with his size and athleticism.