2023 Transfer QB

[irishandy]

Seems kind of odd that Freeman would make this comment at this time in the season. I think 2024 is going to be a challenge due to our experience at QB, a rental QB doesn't guarantee anything for me.

I say no to Cam Rising (due to his injury) & Riley Leonard (could he handle the ND QB situation?).

Hartman is the perfect QB for both Angeli and Minchey to learn from and having a QB coach should help with both of their development.

If ND keeps getting QB transfers what message does that say to the recruits about developing QB's?

I say no to a transfer QB at this time, Angeli will be in his 3rd year and I've read that Minchey has a strong arm. Roll with one of those 2.

 

[MacIrish75]

Would be the dirtiest looking ND QB in history. Possibly on the heels of the most clean cut ever. Sign me up, let's ride.

I mean Sam basically looks like the love child of the BeeGees and the Brawny paper towel guy. Not exactly clean cut.

Rising just looks more like a guy that ends up smiling in your local mugshots on Sunday morning for some type of mid-level misdemeanor.

 

[allenm5333]

Seems kind of odd that Freeman would make this comment at this time in the season. I think 2024 is going to be a challenge due to our experience at QB, a rental QB doesn't guarantee anything for me.

I say no to Cam Rising (due to his injury) & Riley Leonard (could he handle the ND QB situation?).

Hartman is the perfect QB for both Angeli and Minchey to learn from and having a QB coach should help with both of their development.

If ND keeps getting QB transfers what message does that say to the recruits about developing QB's?

I say no to a transfer QB at this time, Angeli will be in his 3rd year and I've read that Minchey has a strong arm. Roll with one of those 2.

I think Freeman was asked about this by a reporter. He has to choose his words delicately here. I would go Pratt-Leonard- Rising-Howard in that early order. I also think that the QB development doesn't pertain too much because only Minchey is a Freeman qb. And the team could be ready to compete for a playoff birth and run next year. You can't say qb development> playoffs

 

[Lberry]

Seems kind of odd that Freeman would make this comment at this time in the season. I think 2024 is going to be a challenge due to our experience at QB, a rental QB doesn't guarantee anything for me.

I say no to Cam Rising (due to his injury) & Riley Leonard (could he handle the ND QB situation?).

Hartman is the perfect QB for both Angeli and Minchey to learn from and having a QB coach should help with both of their development.

If ND keeps getting QB transfers what message does that say to the recruits about developing QB's?

I say no to a transfer QB at this time, Angeli will be in his 3rd year and I've read that Minchey has a strong arm. Roll with one of those 2.

I can nearly guarantee you if Angelli is the guy, ND fans are going to be very sad in 2024. He has the hallmarks of a QB who gets eaten alive against any decent defense. Low athleticism, doesn't sense the rush, and a painfully slow release. Arm is ok, nothing spectacular.

What does it say to future recruits? I don't think anything. Guys like CJ and Duece aren't afraid of anything. It may scare off lower tiered recruits in the future, but even that I doubt.

 

[MacIrish75]

You take Rising all day. If you believe Minchey is ready, Rising is your perfect take because he’s got the experience to go in and perform at TAMU and then if he gets injured, Minchey steps in and gets his run.

Of the two, I’ve got Angeli much more likely to transfer. And when he does, it’ll no doubt be to Pitt.

 

[DillonHall]

I don't understand the Rising hype- very average physical attributes and so many injuries

Why give a ton of the reps to a guy like Rising who's likely to get injured again instead of the young guys?

 

[Irish4life]

I don't understand the Rising hype- very average physical attributes and so many injuries

Why give a ton of the reps to a guy like Rising who's likely to get injured again instead of the young guys?

Because he's far better

 

[DillonHall]

Because he's far better

What is this based on? I watched his highlights and my main takeaway is that Utah has had some receivers who could make great plays on the ball.

Don't get fooled by his production against crappy PAC-12 defenses

 

[OhioIrish]

Because he's far better

I like any QB who has had that type of production for 2 years at a power 5 program. No one on the 2024 depth chart would come close in terms of maturity and game experience, and that is what this team will need next year. I’d take Leonard for the same reasons.

 

[irishandy]

I haven't seen enough of Angeli to write him off yet.

He wasn't the big QB name nor the high star profile high school recruit.

You knew he wasn't going to play last year, I though you'd see more of him this year.

 

[arrowryan]

I don’t understand how anyone could watch the 2021 season and think it’d be a good idea to not take a transfer QB.

While I think Angeli/Minchey will be good in time, I don’t want their first career start to be at Kyle Field.

 

[DillonHall]

I don’t understand how anyone could watch the 2021 season and think it’d be a good idea to not take a transfer QB.

While I think Angeli/Minchey will be good in time, I don’t want their first career start to be at Kyle Field.

We definitely need a transfer. But Rising IMO doesn't upgrade the roster. There will be better options available

 

[Grahambo]

Cam Rising would be an upgrade and is one of the better options out there. With minimal research, he’s got a higher completion percentage on yards per attempt and adjusted passing yards per attempt than Will Howard and Riley Leonard as well as Sam Hartman (before this season). He’s also a better runner then Will Howard.

I’d take Rising in a heartbeat.

 

[DillonHall]

We don't even know if Rising will be able to run anymore. If he played next year, it would be his first game in about 20 months. Too risky IMO

This reminds me of the Hudson Card hype before we got Hartman

 

[Lberry]

Cam Rising would be an upgrade and is one of the better options out there. With minimal research, he’s got a higher completion percentage on yards per attempt and adjusted passing yards per attempt than Will Howard and Riley Leonard as well as Sam Hartman (before this season). He’s also a better runner then Will Howard.

I’d take Rising in a heartbeat.

Also can run, like 35 yards a game which is a big deal and basically forces a spy. That's a few 1st downs a game (my favorite offensive stat).

 

[Lberry]

Speaking of the devil, on Gameday breaking down offense on set (Cam Rising). Future ND star.

 

[Irishdawg]

Speaking of the devil, on Gameday breaking down offense on set (Cam Rising). Future ND star.

With the under armour jacket… no wardrobe change necessary😉

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

We definitely need a transfer. But Rising IMO doesn't upgrade the roster. There will be better options available

You’re either high or clueless if you think Cam Rising wouldnt upgrade the roster next year. Last year he completed 64% with nearly 30tds and 8 ints and had another 500 yds rushing and 5+ tds. His 2021 numbers were pretty solid as well. If you have watched Utah the past few years, all he does is make plays when they need it and is one of the best leaders leaders currently in College football. Plus, Kyle Whittingham’s culture is elite.

 

[DillonHall]

You’re either high or clueless if you think Cam Rising wouldnt upgrade the roster next year. Last year he completed 64% with nearly 30tds and 8 ints and had another 500 yds rushing and 5+ tds. His 2021 numbers were pretty solid as well. If you have watched Utah the past few years, all he does is make plays when they need it and is one of the best leaders leaders currently in College football. Plus, Kyle Whittingham’s culture is elite.

He tore his ACL, MCL, and meniscus. I'm not an orthopedic surgeon, but I know that's a very severe knee injury. We haven't seen him play a single snap post-injury.

It'll be 20 months between game snaps for him. That's a ton of time. That would be a lot of rust to try to knock off against A&M on the road, much less in a new offensive system (presumably). We don't even know if he'll be fully healthy for spring practice

Whether it's injuries or limited physical abilities, there are reasons he's looking to come back for a 7th year of college LOL

I think it's jumping the gun to presume he's going to come in and be a star

 

[stlnd01]

We definitely need a transfer. But Rising IMO doesn't upgrade the roster. There will be better options available

I agree on the injury risk but - aside from Pratt - what better options do you think will be available?
Leonard? Maybe. K State guy? Ok. But the list of potential grad transfer QBs who've done more winning than Cam Rising is very very short.

And frankly we don't need a quarterback to come in and win the Heisman. Just be a steady and reliable QB and leader who can buy us some time while the younger guys develop. Basically what Hartman has done this year.

 

[Grahambo]

I agree on the injury risk but - aside from Pratt - what better options do you think will be available?
Leonard? Maybe. K State guy? Ok. But the list of potential grad transfer QBs who've done more winning than Cam Rising is very very short.

And frankly we don't need a quarterback to come in and win the Heisman. Just be a steady and reliable QB and leader who can buy us some time while the younger guys develop. Basically what Hartman has done this year.

Rising is a better accurate passer than Sam as well. Pratt or Rising and we’re cooking.

 

[Grahambo]

He tore his ACL, MCL, and meniscus. I'm not an orthopedic surgeon, but I know that's a very severe knee injury. We haven't seen him play a single snap post-injury.

It'll be 20 months between game snaps for him. That's a ton of time. That would be a lot of rust to try to knock off against A&M on the road, much less in a new offensive system (presumably). We don't even know if he'll be fully healthy for spring practice

Whether it's injuries or limited physical abilities, there are reasons he's looking to come back for a 7th year of college LOL

I think it's jumping the gun to presume he's going to come in and be a star

I get the con side of it but any QB you’re taking as a 5th year senior (or higher) is still in college for similar reasons. Either injury or simply not good enough for the NFL. Unless there is a surprise candidate, you gamble that Rising/Pratt remain healthy.

 

[DillonHall]

I agree on the injury risk but - aside from Pratt - what better options do you think will be available?
Leonard? Maybe. K State guy? Ok. But the list of potential grad transfer QBs who've done more winning than Cam Rising is very very short.

And frankly we don't need a quarterback to come in and win the Heisman. Just be a steady and reliable QB and leader who can buy us some time while the younger guys develop. Basically what Hartman has done this year.

It's a really good question, but it's just too early to know who will be available. We didn't know about Hartman until Christmas time last year

 

[SDIrishFan]

He tore his ACL, MCL, and meniscus. I'm not an orthopedic surgeon, but I know that's a very severe knee injury. We haven't seen him play a single snap post-injury.

It'll be 20 months between game snaps for him. That's a ton of time. That would be a lot of rust to try to knock off against A&M on the road, much less in a new offensive system (presumably). We don't even know if he'll be fully healthy for spring practice

Whether it's injuries or limited physical abilities, there are reasons he's looking to come back for a 7th year of college LOL

I think it's jumping the gun to presume he's going to come in and be a star

I agree on the injury and the unknowns that come along with that, but let's not pretend the first time he'll touch a football will be Game 1, 2024. Obviously the injury was brutal and he's not even a year out I don't believe, but I suspect there's more going on here than he's just not healthy. Utah seems to have a good QB and maybe Cam is trying to preserve a year of eligibility.

There would be plenty of time starting with spring practice in March, through summer workouts through fall camp to knock off the rust. Are those live game situations, obviously not, but practice combined with his game experience should put him WAY ahead of what's on our roster.

Also, this is the world we live in now, "college free agency" if you will. If this staff isn't looking at every position and asking themselves if they can improve it through any means necessary, they are crazy. If players expect to be paid through NIL through performance, they should then expect to be "processed" through poor performance. It's the coaches job to get the best players on the team.

Will that hurt locker room culture and to some extent, the 40 year plan, perhaps. But to some degree, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I agree on the injury and the unknowns that come along with that, but let's not pretend the first time he'll touch a football will be Game 1, 2024. Obviously the injury was brutal and he's not even a year out I don't believe, but I suspect there's more going on here than he's just not healthy. Utah seems to have a good QB and maybe Cam is trying to preserve a year of eligibility.

There would be plenty of time starting with spring practice in March, through summer workouts through fall camp to knock off the rust. Are those live game situations, obviously not, but practice combined with his game experience should put him WAY ahead of what's on our roster.

Also, this is the world we live in now, "college free agency" if you will. If this staff isn't looking at every position and asking themselves if they can improve it through any means necessary, they are crazy. If players expect to be paid through NIL through performance, they should then expect to be "processed" through poor performance. It's the coaches job to get the best players on the team.

Will that hurt locker room culture and to some extent, the 40 year plan, perhaps. But to some degree, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

Agreed.

If Rising hits the portal, ND has to go after him.

Best case, Rising is your starter in '24. Worst case, he forces Angeli or Minchey to up their game and the whole QB room is better for it.

People seem to forget that Penix had several injuries, including a knee injury to end his '20 season. He was ATROCIOUS in '21. Yet, now he may win the Heisman if he keeps playing the way he has.

 

[DillonHall]

People seem to forget that Penix had several injuries, including a knee injury to end his '20 season. He was ATROCIOUS in '21. Yet, now he may win the Heisman if he keeps playing the way he has.

Penix was "atrocious" in the season after his injury? You just made my point for me

It's hard to play football after a major injury, even if you're technically healthy. This is especially true at QB, when you're not going to get hit in practice. It's hard to simulate a real game through practice for a QB

 

[Crazy Balki]

Penix was "atrocious" in the season after his injury? You just made my point for me

It's hard to play football after a major injury, even if you're technically healthy. This is especially true at QB, when you're not going to get hit in practice. It's hard to simulate a real game through practice for a QB

There's a difference between playing after a major injury 20 months ago and 9 months ago.

Penix got hurt very late in the season in 2020, like almost December and came back at the start of September of the next year.

That's less than half the time of recovery that Rising is going to have.

And this isn't Rising's first rodeo. He's had plenty of experience getting hit and going through real time action.

 

[calvegas04]

I'm thinking Rising could have played this season but decided not to so he could be a 100% healthy transfer

 

[DillonHall]

When a QB comes back from injury, I don't think it's the functionality of the knee that's the major factor. It's getting used to the speed of the game, throwing with pass rushers in your face, taking hits, scrambling for a first down, etc. It's very hard to simulate these QB-specific tasks when you're wearing a red jersey

I think this is like saying "We have the best offense in the country" without watching any other teams. How do you know where Rising is on the wish list if you don't know all of the options? I don't understand how anyone is so confident in Rising without watching any of his film post-injury. It's so early in the process, let's just see who's available before hyping up a 7th year QB

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

He tore his ACL, MCL, and meniscus. I'm not an orthopedic surgeon, but I know that's a very severe knee injury. We haven't seen him play a single snap post-injury.

It'll be 20 months between game snaps for him. That's a ton of time. That would be a lot of rust to try to knock off against A&M on the road, much less in a new offensive system (presumably). We don't even know if he'll be fully healthy for spring practice

Whether it's injuries or limited physical abilities, there are reasons he's looking to come back for a 7th year of college LOL

I think it's jumping the gun to presume he's going to come in and be a star

Thats all fair, but even without his running ability, his leadership, moxy and experience playing in big games upgrades the roster without a doubt unless you have an insanely higher opinion than Angeli than most.