'24 IL DL Justin Scott (Miami [FL] Verbal)

[Sea Turtle]

Well, the B1G and SEC are going to crush the remainder of the P5 in revenue so something's going to give. The Big 12, PAC, and ACC aren't going to have a chance in that arms race. So what are they going to do?

The best will join the NFC and AFC. The rest will form scaled down amateur leagues. This may be what ND will join if they don't spearhead some academic league.

 

[ColinKSU]

Didn’t listen to it but I heard he’s lost it swaying that ND only recruited Scott because of IB and LL. Tempered to listen for a laugh but Malik’s takes usually make me turn the damn thing off.

It’s so weird how Driskell stays completely silent when Shaun and Malik compete to say the dumbest possible shit every day. I’m not a Driskell fan, but he at least claims to check, double check and check his facts again while he’s got those dorks on the payroll.

New boss in Indianapolis. Perhaps he will restore order.

I wouldn’t expend a lot of energy hoping for that.

 

[IrishTusker]

IB was talking about a "defensive staff issue right now"- who is that? Golden?

 

[Reaper97]

IB was talking about a "defense staff issue right now"- who is that? Golden?

I’m done with IB.

They will blame anybody & everybody but Freeman.
Once they started blaming BK for Keeley & Scott, I just logged off & bounced.

Driskell is the biggest hypocrite out there. When BK was head coach, Driskell pounded the table that the buck stopped there, at the HC, no matter what. Now, it’s Washington, Golden, OLeary…all guys Freeman wanted.
Funny enough, BK brought Mickens over. Driskell will say Mickens was with Freeman at Cincy, but BK had a relationship with Mickens before that & was the one who thought Mickens had what it took to coach at ND.

IB, for the 2nd off-season is a row, talking about next year’s class being special.
Not if you go 8-4 again.

 

[NDFAN2008]

If anyone thinks 2025 is gonna be a special class i'm laughing we will be lucky to be top 15 class

 

[Blazers46]

If anyone thinks 2025 is gonna be a special class i'm laughing we will be lucky to be top 15 class

It will be special until June 2024, then that’s when the NIL bags come

 

[ColinKSU]

If anyone thinks 2025 is gonna be a special class i'm laughing we will be lucky to be top 15 class

There’s literally no realistic argument that the 2025 class will finish in the Top 5. It would require some things this staff hasn’t proven it can do and a big thing that Notre Dame has promised it won’t do.

It isn’t happening, so people need to get that out of their minds now because they’ll be less angry later. Notre Dame will finish between 10-15 because that’s their demonstrated ceiling as a program.

 

[BauerOutage]

Was it Rees who hired Stuckey and McCullough? I know Parker was Freeman’s boy. Kinda funny the two best recruiters on staff were Rees hires

 

[Reaper97]

People need to lay off the NIL crap.

It does affect some recruits, but not as many as this place acts like.

Players have always been paid, but at least now ND can offer money too, just not up front. So it actually benefits ND more than the old rules. Sam Hartman doesn’t come to ND in the past.

And as far as this class.

Justin Scott - not NIL. Georgia offerrees him money, Miami literally offered him money, a car, a condo, and a place for his mom. He said no. He chose Larry Johnson and the lesser NIL.

Carter Nelson - not NIL. Wanted to stay home & play with his friends & be with family.

KVA - not NIL. OSU just straight out recruited ND. Heck, USC, who was a long shot, outrecruited ND.

Menke - not NIL. ND screwed it up.

Miles - not NIL. Wanted to be in Texas.

Canion - not NIL. Is a baby & mommy won’t unattach him from her nipple.

Carr - Turned down 6 figure NIL to come to ND.

Williams - Turned down 6 figure NIL to come to ND.

Lambert - obviously not NIL.

 

[Blazers46]

I think it’s a miracle ND recruits as good as it does.

 

[Luckylucci]

I’m done with IB.

They will blame anybody & everybody but Freeman.
Once they started blaming BK for Keeley & Scott, I just logged off & bounced.

Driskell is the biggest hypocrite out there. When BK was head coach, Driskell pounded the table that the buck stopped there, at the HC, no matter what. Now, it’s Washington, Golden, OLeary…all guys Freeman wanted.
Funny enough, BK brought Mickens over. Driskell will say Mickens was with Freeman at Cincy, but BK had a relationship with Mickens before that & was the one who thought Mickens had what it took to coach at ND.

IB, for the 2nd off-season is a row, talking about next year’s class being special.
Not if you go 8-4 again.

BK coached Mickens at UC for 3 seasons.

BK's hiring of Mickens away from Fickel, Freeman, and his alma mater was a pretty solid endorsement of BK. Same goes for BK getting Freeman to ND and not LSU.

Was it Rees who hired Stuckey and McCullough? I know Parker was Freeman’s boy. Kinda funny the two best recruiters on staff were Rees hires

And now this is where the pendulum swings too far in the other direction. Nothing is as great as the Freeman hype machine makes it out to be and nothing is as bad as this.

Rees did not hire Stuckey and McCullough. Those were Freeman hires and, so far, very good ones at that.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

If C.J. Carr were a '25 recruit, what are the odds he would commit to ND?

I know it's an unanswerable question, but still. ND's recruiting since the fall of 2022 has slowed down considerably. And no, I don't think it's all explained by losing to Marshall.

 

[TorontoGold]

People need to lay off the NIL crap.

It does affect some recruits, but not as many as this place acts like.

Players have always been paid, but at least now ND can offer money too, just not up front. So it actually benefits ND more than the old rules. Sam Hartman doesn’t come to ND in the past.

And as far as this class.

Justin Scott - not NIL. Georgia offerrees him money, Miami literally offered him money, a car, a condo, and a place for his mom. He said no. He chose Larry Johnson and the lesser NIL.

Carter Nelson - not NIL. Wanted to stay home & play with his friends & be with family.

KVA - not NIL. OSU just straight out recruited ND. Heck, USC, who was a long shot, outrecruited ND.

Menke - not NIL. ND screwed it up.

Miles - not NIL. Wanted to be in Texas.

Canion - not NIL. Is a baby & mommy won’t unattach him from her nipple.

Carr - Turned down 6 figure NIL to come to ND.

Williams - Turned down 6 figure NIL to come to ND.

Lambert - obviously not NIL.

Williams final two was Mich/ND, was it UM?

Edit - wait, Cam or Aneyas?

 

[BauerOutage]

BK coached Mickens at UC for 3 seasons.

BK's hiring of Mickens away from Fickel, Freeman, and his alma mater was a pretty solid endorsement of BK. Same goes for BK getting Freeman to ND and not LSU.


And now this is where the pendulum swings too far in the other direction. Nothing is as great as the Freeman hype machine makes it out to be and nothing is as bad as this.

Rees did not hire Stuckey and McCullough. Those were Freeman hires and, so far, very good ones at that.

Oh my mistake! Freeman definitely nailed it on those two then. That period will still confuse me on how much autonomy Rees had haha

 

[AllTimeIrish]

I said in another thread it would be better for ND to maximize its 4-star recruiting and land guys with traits that fit them program. Minimize 3-stars where they can except for guys who have at least 2-3 traits we want or need. I was downvoted lol.

5-stars in the age of lazy non-students and the NIL makes it that much harder for a school like ND that values traditional student athletes. ND excellence will not just come from the football program, but all the sports that compete every year like soccer, lacrosse, basketball (ladies), etc.

ND is a balanced school and that is great for the kids. The rest of the NCAA is just a puppy mill for the NFL.

I will stick with ND even if they aren’t getting lots of 5 star football players, most of which will simply leave when the going gets tough anyway.

 

[Reaper97]

Williams final two was Mich/ND, was it UM?

Edit - wait, Cam or Aneyas?

After Cam committed to ND, other programs offered him large amounts of money to flip.

ND & Michigan being his top 2 shows he wasn’t a NIL kid.

 

[TorontoGold]

After Cam committed to ND, other programs offered him large amounts of money to flip.

ND & Michigan being his top 2 shows he wasn’t a NIL kid.

True, guess it's a testament to his commitment that it's tough to see what possible schools those could be since he hasn't reported offers from any of the big NIL schools.

 

[Crazy Balki]

People need to lay off the NIL crap.

It does affect some recruits, but not as many as this place acts like.

Players have always been paid, but at least now ND can offer money too, just not up front. So it actually benefits ND more than the old rules. Sam Hartman doesn’t come to ND in the past.

And as far as this class.

Justin Scott - not NIL. Georgia offerrees him money, Miami literally offered him money, a car, a condo, and a place for his mom. He said no. He chose Larry Johnson and the lesser NIL.

Carter Nelson - not NIL. Wanted to stay home & play with his friends & be with family.

KVA - not NIL. OSU just straight out recruited ND. Heck, USC, who was a long shot, outrecruited ND.

Menke - not NIL. ND screwed it up.

Miles - not NIL. Wanted to be in Texas.

Canion - not NIL. Is a baby & mommy won’t unattach him from her nipple.

Carr - Turned down 6 figure NIL to come to ND.

Williams - Turned down 6 figure NIL to come to ND.

Lambert - obviously not NIL.

Eh, I doubt Ohio State is a "lesser" NIL school anymore. Day put out a bat signal to the O$U donors to get their sh*t together and they answered in droves.

 

[ColinKSU]

Eh, I doubt Ohio State is a "lesser" NIL school anymore. Day put out a bat signal to the O$U donors to get their sh*t together and they answered in droves.

They very clearly did what they needed to do in terms of NIL, and to hand wave it away is giving Notre Dame a benefit of the doubt that it doesn’t deserve.

 

[T-Boone]

Scott seemed slow and fat to me. Pass.

 

[Reaper97]

Let’s look at who ND should have in its ‘24 class.
I’m not talking pipedream, or kids like Rushing who wanted the money.
Literally only kids that weren’t NIL kids that ND should have.

Here is what ND’s ‘24 class should be;

QB Carr
RB Young
RB Williams
WR Williams
WR Gilbert
WR Canion
WR Robinsin
TE Larsen
TE Nelson
OL Lambert
OL Moore
OL Jones
OL Brewer
OL Brix/Prescod
DL Scott
DL Wafle
DL Thomas
DL Mullins
DL Young
LB KVA
LB Shaw
LB Kahoun
CB Beasley
CB Moore
CB Hobbs
S Johnson
S Menke
S Ziglar/Miles/Andrews/Gallegos

That’s 28, which is fine in today’s transfer happy environment.

A few up there people might question about “should” be in ND’s class.

Nelson: NU as been 4-8 average the past 5 seasons. They stink. If you are going to pull a top 50 kid out of Nebraska, it would be now, especially a kid who was a ND fan & no loyalty to Nebraska.

Moore: in state kid who was passed the way ND (Heistand) didn’t offer or recruit him

Canion: ND knew about the travel concerns & did nothing to alleviate them.

Robinson: wanted to commit, ND passed.

Brewer: Rudolph passed on him for Knapp.

Brix: Was very interested in ND early, ND transition from HH to Rudolph killed the recruitment. You could replace him with Prescod & I am fine with it.

KVA: ND kid through & through. Doesn’t mind leaving home, very religious, high academic kid.

Shaw: slow played him a bit. High academic kid. If pushed hard for earlier, probably get him.

Beasley: another ND kid. Got caught up in hometown team Tennessee being #1 last year & committed. Have to get him on the OV & close the deal.

Lambert: come on. We all know. Catholic, high academic, OT, from the north.

Scott: see Lambert. Kid actually wants to stay north, from catholic school in Chicago.

Wafle: we all know.

Mencke: we all know.

Ziglar/Miles/Gallegos: ND screwed the pooch thinking they were getting others.

How would you feel if that was our class above?

 

[Reaper97]

Eh, I doubt Ohio State is a "lesser" NIL school anymore. Day put out a bat signal to the O$U donors to get their sh*t together and they answered in droves.

Compared to Georgia & Miami?

ND is closer to OSU than OSU is to Georgia or Miami.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Compared to Georgia & Miami?

ND is closer to OSU than OSU is to Georgia or Miami.

I disagree.

I think that was the case, but like I said, OSU and Day basically said that the collectives need to get their asses in gear. This is Ohio State we're talking about. If they're given the green light, you can bet your ass, their crazed fanbase will pump NIL funds like there's no tomorrow.

ND has yet to do the same, and I don't know if they ever will.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I disagree.

I think that was the case, but like I said, OSU and Day basically said that the collectives need to get their asses in gear. This is Ohio State we're talking about. If they're given the green light, you can bet your ass, their crazed fanbase will pump NIL funds like there's no tomorrow.

ND has yet to do the same, and I don't know if they ever will.

It's only a matter of time when Michigan follows suit.

Then Penn State.

 

[BobbyMac]

Did you think I was kidding?

 

[Reaper97]

I disagree.

I think that was the case, but like I said, OSU and Day basically said that the collectives need to get their asses in gear. This is Ohio State we're talking about. If they're given the green light, you can bet your ass, their crazed fanbase will pump NIL funds like there's no tomorrow.

ND has yet to do the same, and I don't know if they ever will.

This is not an opinion, this is factual.

How much OSU is spending isn’t in the same zip code as Miami & UGA.

Miami commits are getting condos on Miami Beach, cash & sports cars.
UGA commits are getting cash & $100k cars.

OSU isn’t giving their commits anywhere near that.

 

[Reaper97]

Let’s look at who ND should have in its ‘24 class.
I’m not talking pipedream, or kids like Rushing who wanted the money.
Literally only kids that weren’t NIL kids that ND should have.

Here is what ND’s ‘24 class should be;

QB Carr
RB Young
RB Williams
WR Williams
WR Gilbert
WR Canion
WR Robinsin
TE Larsen
TE Nelson
OL Lambert
OL Moore
OL Jones
OL Brewer
OL Brix/Prescod
DL Scott
DL Wafle
DL Thomas
DL Mullins
DL Young
LB KVA
LB Shaw
LB Kahoun
CB Beasley
CB Moore
CB Hobbs
S Johnson
S Menke
S Ziglar/Miles/Andrews/Gallegos

That’s 28, which is fine in today’s transfer happy environment.

A few up there people might question about “should” be in ND’s class.

Nelson: NU as been 4-8 average the past 5 seasons. They stink. If you are going to pull a top 50 kid out of Nebraska, it would be now, especially a kid who was a ND fan & no loyalty to Nebraska.

Moore: in state kid who was passed the way ND (Heistand) didn’t offer or recruit him

Canion: ND knew about the travel concerns & did nothing to alleviate them.

Robinson: wanted to commit, ND passed.

Brewer: Rudolph passed on him for Knapp.

Brix: Was very interested in ND early, ND transition from HH to Rudolph killed the recruitment. You could replace him with Prescod & I am fine with it.

KVA: ND kid through & through. Doesn’t mind leaving home, very religious, high academic kid.

Shaw: slow played him a bit. High academic kid. If pushed hard for earlier, probably get him.

Beasley: another ND kid. Got caught up in hometown team Tennessee being #1 last year & committed. Have to get him on the OV & close the deal.

Lambert: come on. We all know. Catholic, high academic, OT, from the north.

Scott: see Lambert. Kid actually wants to stay north, from catholic school in Chicago.

Wafle: we all know.

Mencke: we all know.

Ziglar/Miles/Gallegos: ND screwed the pooch thinking they were getting others.

How would you feel if that was our class above?

This class above, would be 295 on class calculator, which would be top 5 this year.

 

[forkbeard3777]

We need a dog of a defensive coordinator Al Golden ain’t cutting it

This. Not to kick a man while he’s down, but the overwhelming majority of SEC schools would flip their shit if that’s who was retained as defensive coordinator. Don’t even get me started on Gerard Parker — not that that was Freeman’s fault.

 

[Reaper97]

This. Not to kick a man while he’s down, but the overwhelming majority of SEC schools would flip their shit if that’s who was retained as defensive coordinator. Don’t even get me started on Gerard Parker — not that that was Freeman’s fault.

Freeman hired Parker.
ND didn’t get the guys out of Utah, but I don’t think they would eventually have came. I think they used ND to get raises, & they did. They got lifetime contracts.
But even then, Freeman could have looked around more. He had 3 other candidates interview too, & chose Parker.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Freeman hired Parker.
ND didn’t get the guys out of Utah, but I don’t think they would eventually have came. I think they used ND to get raises, & they did. They got lifetime contracts.
But even then, Freeman could have looked around more. He had 3 other candidates interview too, & chose Parker.

I think the point was that Jack forced a marriage between Freeman and Rees, instead of letting him get his guy from the jump.

And Freeman really couldn't have looked around more. Rees left VERY late in the offseason. Spring practice was mere weeks away and most of the top names for OC candidates already landed elsewhere.