'24 IL DL Justin Scott (Miami [FL] Verbal)

[goldendomer89]

No you need to beat Marshall and Stanford.

BK's defenses were stronger than this. Not sure why Jack Swarbrick, err, Marcus, passed on Elston for Golden.

Did you do this much whining about BK losing to Tulsa and Navy in year one?

 

[BobbyMac]

No they are generous to the school. That is different. But they are not going to be big NIL spenders - at least the rich ND alumni I know. They value the education and LIKE the football program.

Not my experience. Most of the rich alum I know joke about ND’s rankings accent cuz when they were in school during the 60’s and 70’s, ND wasn’t what it is today.
And one of those guys has his name all over the program.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Did you do this much whining about BK losing to Tulsa and Navy in year one?

No because BK didn't have much of a program when he took over.

 

[Irishdrunk]

That has nothing to do with your bullshit post. You said “But they are not going to be big NIL spenders - at least the rich ND alumni I know. They value the education and LIKE the football program”. I am just stating a lot of wealthy alumni will give to the football program if ND allows it. They already give to the FUND. Quit changing the narrative.

Great you know big spenders on the Football program. That is not the experience I have with the ND benefactors that I know.

 

[AKRowdy]

I am sure you don't pay for recruiting intel or pay sites? Casual poster, huh? Like the ND administration is about getting a Natty, I suppose.

Lol hell no have other things to waste my money on.

 

[goldendomer89]

No because BK didn't have much of a program when he took over.

I can play the excuse game for Freeman if that's what we're doing.

He was left with pretty much nothing in the QB and WR room.

 

[Irishdrunk]

The meltdown on this board over a commit that was never going to come here is so predictable and pathetic. I’m convinced the majority of you whiners (I mean, it’s to the point where you can all be listed) eat this shit up because it gives you something to talk about. Case in point. When a victory is had, y’all post like a fart in the wind in those threads. Or argue points like Carr is not a composite 5 star and therefore indicative of a program that isn’t trending collectively in an elite way as far as perception is concerned. When something negative occurs, you put your bibs on and eat at the trough.

Sure, it’s fair to criticize aspects of the program, specifically including this recruitment. Why did Freeman and Co. pursue this guy when even novices could see from a million miles away he wasn’t going to come here? That’s a legit point of contention. How exactly is Golden recruiting? Again, legit question. We all know there is a lot to accomplish in order to win big and certain aspects of the program are not striking big like we’d all like to see.

But the hyperbolic negativity is insufferable. Comments like in 2 years, ND will conduct an actual search for a headcoach is small stones at best. We got some small stones posters posting like they got big brass. Nah.

ND88 - this is a massive loss. It is worth mourning. ND will not win Nattys without solid Top 10 classes. Not landing a St. Ignatius recruit is not good. But I guess you would count me as a whiner and you are Suzy Sunshine to me. Happy 4th though,.

 

[Deirishpisser]

ND88 - this is a massive loss. It is worth mourning. ND will not win Nattys without solid Top 10 classes. Not landing a St. Ignatius recruit is not good. But I guess you would count me as a whiner and you are Suzy Sunshine to me. Happy 4th though,.

i am not sure Scott is a massive loss. he is overrated. However, it is indicative of how average our recruiting has been. We have not seen that next level up we had hoped for. Again, Scott is not special....but he is another example of not landing enough big fish, while we rely too much on developmental players. That wont get the job done.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I can play the excuse game for Freeman if that's what we're doing.

He was left with pretty much nothing in the QB and WR room.

And said it was good enough and didn’t try to use portal to help either

Neither of those position groups were responsible for giving up 220 rushing yards to marshall or 290 passing yards to Stanford

 

[INLaw]

Did you do this much whining about BK losing to Tulsa and Navy in year one?

Yes especially when bitch tits Brian told us to “get used to it”

 

[INLaw]

The meltdown on this board over a commit that was never going to come here is so predictable and pathetic. I’m convinced the majority of you whiners (I mean, it’s to the point where you can all be listed) eat this shit up because it gives you something to talk about. Case in point. When a victory is had, y’all post like a fart in the wind in those threads. Or argue points like Carr is not a composite 5 star and therefore indicative of a program that isn’t trending collectively in an elite way as far as perception is concerned. When something negative occurs, you put your bibs on and eat at the trough.

Sure, it’s fair to criticize aspects of the program, specifically including this recruitment. Why did Freeman and Co. pursue this guy when even novices could see from a million miles away he wasn’t going to come here? That’s a legit point of contention. How exactly is Golden recruiting? Again, legit question. We all know there is a lot to accomplish in order to win big and certain aspects of the program are not striking big like we’d all like to see.

But the hyperbolic negativity is insufferable. Comments like in 2 years, ND will conduct an actual search for a headcoach is small stones at best. We got some small stones posters posting like they got big brass. Nah.

TLDR
Can assume its you bitching about people bitching on a board that can only pay its bills because grown men like to bitch about sports.

 

[INLaw]

Happy 4th to you also.

If you read the second paragraph, you’d know I’m not a sunshine pumper. Constructive criticism is practical and warranted. Complaining and moaning in hyperbolic fashion is for the birds. If you, which you do, understand that NIL is going to be a huge obstacle for success (which it is), then you’d have perspective that Freeman is basically having to win over these recruits on a short resume at a school that sells very different ideals than a school like Ohio St. They can lean on recent titles. We cannot. We can lean on historical legacy (which isn’t much in an NIL era), education, and above average consistency. Until admin. lessens their grip on NIL, he is going to have to win on the field to sell his talent as a head coach.

I’ve been a real Notre Dame fan for a long ass time. Have had the privilege of attending over 40+ games. If you think fans who aren’t constantly whining don’t experience genuine disappointment when we don’t succeed, then you’re disillusioned. I’m very sobered up to the realities of ND football, but would rather not be a lush about it.

See above

 

[Grahambo]

As long as the QB position is set, we’ll be fine.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I think the major priority for most 5* kids is what school can prepare them best for the NFL. For a DL kid, Ohio State is light years ahead of ND. Put out 1st round picks and kids will come.

Larry Johnson has a lot to do with that. His resume speaks for itself

 

[Reaper97]

Did you do this much whining about BK losing to Tulsa and Navy in year one?

Tulsa was 10-3 & ranked 24th in the final poll.
Navy was 9-4.

 

[forkbeard3777]

At the end of the day, is this the end of the world? No. Is it disappointing? Absolutely. Scott’s recruitment was royally fucked from the outset. They couldn’t even get the guy on campus for an official?

To truly turn the corner, Notre Dame needs to makes its presence known and start nabbing these elite guys here and there — especially in your own backyard and at a position of immediate need.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Not my experience. Most of the rich alum I know joke about ND’s rankings accent cuz when they were in school during the 60’s and 70’s, ND wasn’t what it is today.
And one of those guys has his name all over the program.

Right but since then, the SEC desegregated & ND was no longer the only game on TV. Leveling the playing field hurt ND b/c it shone a spotlight on what an unattractive place South Bend is for the average college kid who only has ND on his radar b/c of football.

 

[NDMatt91]

To truly turn the corner, Notre Dame needs to makes its presence known and start nabbing these elite guys here and there — especially in your own backyard and at a position of immediate need.

It would help if some wealthy alumni started playing the game and created a collective that went towards HS recruits.

 

[notredomer23]

It would help if some wealthy alumni started playing the game and created a collective that went towards HS recruits.

That’s why as long as this type of NIL rules, that’s why ND will never compete for elite high schoolers… if you scour the 247 boards of other teams, most posters and many fans are contributing regularly to the collectives. I know very few ND fans contributing to FUND. Would that change if ND was aggressive with a more traditional collective? Idk but doubt it. I’ve kinda given up on ND or it’s fans ever taking collectives seriously for high schoolers given there’s little ROI other than personal fulfillment

 

[T-Boone]

No you need to beat Marshall and Stanford.

BK's defenses were stronger than this. Not sure why Jack Swarbrick, err, Marcus, passed on Elston for Golden.

Yep I suppose he wanted experience which golden has. But he should have gone an inexperienced DC with a really experience OC.

 

[Blazers46]

It's only a matter of time when Michigan follows suit.

Then Penn State.

Then Harvard

 

[goldendomer89]

And said it was good enough and didn’t try to use portal to help either

Neither of those position groups were responsible for giving up 220 rushing yards to marshall or 290 passing yards to Stanford

The defense gave up 33 points combined in those games. Those loses were the result of failure recruiting offensively by the previous staff no matter how you try to spin it.

 

[Reaper97]

The defense gave up 33 points combined in those games. Those loses were the result of failure recruiting offensively by the previous staff no matter how you try to spin it.

Wait.
You are blaming Brian Kelly for ND losing to Marshall & Stanford in 2022?
LOL

ND’s roster was WAY more talented than those two teams.

You are saying Marshall & Stanford recruited better than ND?

Go ahead and show yourself the way out. This is ridiculous.

 

[Blazers46]

Wait.
You are blaming Brian Kelly for ND losing to Marshall & Stanford in 2022?
LOL

ND’s roster was WAY more talented than those two teams.

You are saying Marshall & Stanford recruited better than ND?

Go ahead and show yourself the way out. This is ridiculous.

It was BKs recruiting or MFs coaching… only one we have to worry about now.

 

[goldendomer89]

Wait.
You are blaming Brian Kelly for ND losing to Marshall & Stanford in 2022?
LOL

ND’s roster was WAY more talented than those two teams.

You are saying Marshall & Stanford recruited better than ND?

Go ahead and show yourself the way out. This is ridiculous.

Whatever talent advantage they had was negated because of BK/Rees terrible recruiting and development at QB. You should actually show yourself the way out if you're just going to be a BK apologist and give him a pass for the holes this team had when he left.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Wait.
You are blaming Brian Kelly for ND losing to Marshall & Stanford in 2022?
LOL

ND’s roster was WAY more talented than those two teams.

You are saying Marshall & Stanford recruited better than ND?

Go ahead and show yourself the way out. This is ridiculous.

Slow down on the scotch.

It’s easy to see what the OP meant.

Poor QB play came from poor development and management of the QB room under Kelly.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I can't imagine why this notion why ND losing to Marshall/Stanford was not at least partially on Kelly.

He recruited this roster. He decided that Drew Pyne was sufficient. He allowed Elston to continuously recruit undersized DT's and go low on numbers overall on the DL. He allowed Lea to completely ignore LB recruiting in 2020 and take all of 1 guy in 2021.

Freeman had to adjust his approach, but that's just how it is when you're a first time head coach. I'm willing to give him leeway for that. Kelly doesn't get that leeway. He's been at it for years, and yet, he falls for the same pitfalls every time, and it set us up for failure.

 

[NDMatt91]

I can't imagine why this notion why ND losing to Marshall/Stanford was not at least partially on Kelly.

He recruited this roster. He decided that Drew Pyne was sufficient. He allowed Elston to continuously recruit undersized DT's and go low on numbers overall on the DL. He allowed Lea to completely ignore LB recruiting in 2020 and take all of 1 guy in 2021.

Freeman had to adjust his approach, but that's just how it is when you're a first time head coach. I'm willing to give him leeway for that. Kelly doesn't get that leeway. He's been at it for years, and yet, he falls for the same pitfalls every time, and it set us up for failure.

I think the only difference is Kelly would've brought in another grad transfer QB - probably Slovis or Daniels. By no means does that excuse the roster not being great, though.

 

[NDdomer2]

So does Kelly get partial credit for the 9 wins last year?

 

[irishff1014]

I can't imagine why this notion why ND losing to Marshall/Stanford was not at least partially on Kelly.

He recruited this roster. He decided that Drew Pyne was sufficient. He allowed Elston to continuously recruit undersized DT's and go low on numbers overall on the DL. He allowed Lea to completely ignore LB recruiting in 2020 and take all of 1 guy in 2021.

Freeman had to adjust his approach, but that's just how it is when you're a first time head coach. I'm willing to give him leeway for that. Kelly doesn't get that leeway. He's been at it for years, and yet, he falls for the same pitfalls every time, and it set us up for failure.

It’s more of Rees than anyone. They didn’t go after a transfer QB knowing that Drew was a dud. Rees leaving is going to be a blessing for us I believe. But this also goes on Freeman for not forcing a transfer at QB. He is the head coach even though that whole weird situation with Rees.