'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

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Between the (very unusual) line in his announcement about potentially coming back, the "do not contact" tag and the immediate visit to Bama where his former QB coach is the OC, it would seem like that's the preferred destination for all involved. If it doesn't work out for whatever reason I'd guess he'll decide between Notre Dame and the field. (Meantime Notre Dame may look around as well. All's fair.)

Coming back would be weird. But so would leaving Notre Dame as QB2 to sit the bench somewhere else. And nowhere worth going to is going to hand him a starting job post-Spring ball.
 

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Good optics for Freeman to leave the door open for him to return, even though the odds of that are next to none.

I wonder if TB’s performance in the BG was due to his decision to transfer, or if he just performed poorly, witnessed Hartman clean house, and saw the writing on the wall.

I don’t have issues with wanting to play because one is competitive, but then compete with a sense of loyalty to your team. It’s too bad this sense is fading.
You’d think that performance would be part of other teams eval of him. Point being, confident he was trying.
 

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Between the (very unusual) line in his announcement about potentially coming back, the "do not contact" tag and the immediate visit to Bama where his former QB coach is the OC, it would seem like that's the preferred destination for all involved. If it doesn't work out for whatever reason I'd guess he'll decide between Notre Dame and the field. (Meantime Notre Dame may look around as well. All's fair.)

Coming back would be weird. But so would leaving Notre Dame as QB2 to sit the bench somewhere else. And nowhere worth going to is going to hand him a starting job post-Spring ball.
Pyne was gone before Hartman, but freeman told them he was going to look at portal. Pyne will be sitting bench

Freeman went to the portal, 1000% correct move. But as a 2-3 year qb in the system, it also states coach doesn’t believe in you. Buchner and pyne had to know then before Hartman that the confidence wasn’t high in them despite what freeman says to media.
 

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One thing this illustrates is the beat has no information on the team whatsoever and simply speculates. Everyone was saying Buchner wouldn't enter the portal. Just complete guesswork.
 

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Pyne was gone before Hartman, but freeman told them he was going to look at portal. Pyne will be sitting bench

Freeman went to the portal, 1000% correct move. But as a 2-3 year qb in the system, it also states coach doesn’t believe in you. Buchner and pyne had to know then before Hartman that the confidence wasn’t high in them despite what freeman says to media.
Or that the coach thinks you need more development, which for a guy who has missed as much time as Buchner has, but also has three years of eligibility remaining, seems fairly reasonable. Buchner could've still been our QB in 24 and 25 and even 26.

Either way he knew Hartman was coming in January. He could've left then, with more/better options to actually be a starting QB next season than he'll have now after spring camp. I do wonder to what degree the OC/QB coach turnover plays a role here too. That's the only thing that really changed between the first portal window and the second, and it's not a coincidence he's visiting Alabama.
 

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I liked Tyler, even though he still needs reps. I wonder if he sees Minchey and Carr coming up behind him, and decided to bail. Lets just hope Hartman doesn't get injured. I liked Tyler, but I love me some SHARTman.
 

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One thing this illustrates is the beat has no information on the team whatsoever and simply speculates. Everyone was saying Buchner wouldn't enter the portal. Just complete guesswork.
The beat also holds stories at the staffs request frequently (see Kollie is doing coursework...), But either way you can't believe shit they tell ya.
 

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He’s gonna reunite with Pyne,….. in New York for the Heisman ceremony. They’ll reunite again in Canton.
 

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One thing this illustrates is the beat has no information on the team whatsoever and simply speculates. Everyone was saying Buchner wouldn't enter the portal. Just complete guesswork.
That's not true at all.

Numerous times I've heard II and IB (give zero shits about on3) say "I don't think he'll leave. But who knows"

Ever since Pyne transferred, the beat was less worried. And sure they speculated that Steve could be a possibly this spring (since #3) but no one ever said Tyler wasn't a transfer candidate. This was always possible since they took Sam.
 

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He’s gonna reunite with Pyne,….. in New York for the Heisman ceremony. They’ll reunite again in Canton.
Not before facing off in 5 super bowls against each other for the Steelers and Cowboys.
 

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I've been meaning to mention this about Buchner. This is gonna sound strange but as someone who has studied this area extensively and is affected by these same issues, I can see that Buchner likely has airway/disordered breathing issues that (can't get into the details here) affect his entire body and mental makeup, the three most important of which are executive decision making, proper nose breathing and optimized skeletal structure: 1) He looks to be a mouth-breather - mouth is always open and probably is a shallow breather; 2) You can see his nervous, stream of consciousness thought process when he speaks to reporters compared to say Hartman; 3) he is clumsy (remember his stairs injury) and is easily injured; and 4) as a number of IE posters mentioned, he's nervous and "not composed" or "doesn't have mental toughness," etc. when he is in the pocket so he tends to tuck and run and not hang in for his progressions. This is a real thing and many people are affected by this but the individual just thinks "this is how I am," but it's not an optimized state of functioning. Sure, TB has the measurables/arm skills and is smart in other ways and is truly a "warrior," and with A LOT of work/coaching/development, he may develop and get better (and he'll have his moments like the '22 Bowl game), but he doesn't have the natural QB attributes, presence, and focus, and it will always be a challenge for him to be consistent and truly excel at QB. I could be wrong, but you just don't see the things I outlined here in star QBs. And I would say that the other ND QBs (and JJ McCarthy) don't have these issues and instead have more natural executive presence and decision-making abilities. Bryce Young is a perfect example of maybe not the most physically blessed QB, but he has the presence and focus to become a star NFL QB like Russell Wilson, another undersized but hyper-focused QB in this mold. Just my two cents anyway.
So you’re saying a big part of our QB recruiting strategy should be gaining intel on if a kid snores or not.
Jim Harbaugh you rat bastard. Who knew this entire time he was playing chess while the rest of college football was playing checkers 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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The starting QB was resolved at the B&G game, stats don't lie:
Hartman: 13-16, 189 yards, 2 TD's, 1 rushing TD, longest pass 46 yards
Buchner: 8-18, 44 yards, 1 INT, longest pass 15 yards (with the better receivers)
Angeli: 8-12, 72 yards, longest pass 19 yards

Buchner really needs another year like 2021. I was surprised how he played in the Marshall game vs. how he played vs. South Carolina.

Blue team may have had the better receivers on paper, but the protection was better for Hartman and Angeli on the Gold side. Buchner and Minchey were often running to escape pressure, or it led to turnovers. That said, I'm excited about Greathouse, he may be one of our best receivers now.
 

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Tommy went to Bama to take them down from the inside. NOTRE DAME MAN!!!
Tommy is pulling a LeBron. He's taking his talents to South Beach Saban to learn how to win championships, then he's coming back to South Bend to finally win us one again. /noitalicsfightme
 

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He’s gonna reunite with Pyne,….. in New York for the Heisman ceremony. They’ll reunite again in Canton.
This. Not the Pyne part, but the football gods probably would have Buchner ending up in New York this season given our luck. Saban has won championships with less.
 

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I wish Buchner all the best. Things really didn't go his way since high school really: Bad injury, the covid, more injuries, poor QB coaching, more injuries, debuting against OSU, bad Oline play, injury.
 

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I've been meaning to mention this about Buchner. This is gonna sound strange but as someone who has studied this area extensively and is affected by these same issues, I can see that Buchner likely has airway/disordered breathing issues that (can't get into the details here) affect his entire body and mental makeup, the three most important of which are executive decision making, proper nose breathing and optimized skeletal structure: 1) He looks to be a mouth-breather - mouth is always open and probably is a shallow breather; 2) You can see his nervous, stream of consciousness thought process when he speaks to reporters compared to say Hartman; 3) he is clumsy (remember his stairs injury) and is easily injured; and 4) as a number of IE posters mentioned, he's nervous and "not composed" or "doesn't have mental toughness," etc. when he is in the pocket so he tends to tuck and run and not hang in for his progressions. This is a real thing and many people are affected by this but the individual just thinks "this is how I am," but it's not an optimized state of functioning. Sure, TB has the measurables/arm skills and is smart in other ways and is truly a "warrior," and with A LOT of work/coaching/development, he may develop and get better (and he'll have his moments like the '22 Bowl game), but he doesn't have the natural QB attributes, presence, and focus, and it will always be a challenge for him to be consistent and truly excel at QB. I could be wrong, but you just don't see the things I outlined here in star QBs. And I would say that the other ND QBs (and JJ McCarthy) don't have these issues and instead have more natural executive presence and decision-making abilities. Bryce Young is a perfect example of maybe not the most physically blessed QB, but he has the presence and focus to become a star NFL QB like Russell Wilson, another undersized but hyper-focused QB in this mold. Just my two cents anyway.
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He’s gonna reunite with Pyne,….. in New York for the Heisman ceremony. They’ll reunite again in Canton.
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It feels like Freeman is very open in his assessments. The big assessments were - 1) Hartman is the QB, and 2) how he runs it is how I want this offense to function.

I think TB looked at the QB room and, more importantly, looked at the offense. This isn't a traditional RPO offense, it's much more of drop back go through the processions offense (with a more traditional run game mixed in). The read is pre-snap. There are RPO concepts, but that's more of a piece of the total picture. TB's skillset is set up for the RPO dominate offense where the read is post-snap.

I'd anticipate TB looking for the more traditional RPO programs.
 

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Seriously outside of going to a team that's not very good I don't see who's a better fit for him. I don't think he can play at bama for Saban TBH maybe I'm wrong
 

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Seriously outside of going to a team that's not very good I don't see who's a better fit for him. I don't think he can play at bama for Saban TBH maybe I'm wrong

Watched some of their spring game. OOOF, I pretty sure they QBs went back to back picks, and some other ugly plays. I could play for them right now.
 

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Saban letting Rees take Buchner is just another episode in Nick giving his coordinators just enough rope to hang themselves.

They'll probably use multiple QBs this year....and run the ball a lot. Buchner might start the season as #1 QB but highly doubtful he'll be good enough to hang on to the job. Neither will his OC.
 

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I would think this is also about th offensive coordinator, the war daddy and not keeping the quarterback room together. Same w QB Coach. Well, I don’t think Buckner was a great quarterback. If Hartman goes down and jelly is not the quarterback to win big games. For this season it’s a big loss.

Saban alluded to the idea of bringing in a new quarterback and a press conference on Monday.
 

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Saban letting Rees take Buchner is just another episode in Nick giving his coordinators just enough rope to hang themselves.

They'll probably use multiple QBs this year....and run the ball a lot. Buchner might start the season as #1 QB but highly doubtful he'll be good enough to hang on to the job. Neither will his OC.
Some of his hires haven't been great lately.
 

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Never had the feeling Parker and Freeman were as enamored with Buchner as Rees. I was never a big fan of Buchner’s “skill set” as others either.
 
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