'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

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Say what you want we better hope Hartman doesn’t get hurt. And 2024 right now is in some serious trouble. This portal is a cluster fuck.

Steve Angeli has 0 game experience. And our next option is a true freshman.

I don't think the season outlook changes much on who the back up is if Hartman goes down. 9-3 to 12-0 with Hartman. Probably 8-4 to 9-3 with Angeli/Minchey. Buchner would have been 8-4 to 10-2 probably.

2024 is the least of my concerns in this era.
 

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At what point does the game cease to be fun for these guys? The transfer portal is more revelatory than revolutionary, but for me it’s how obvious it is that the game isn’t fun for most of these guys. They are so drilled that it’s about making the League (which most of them aren’t going to even sniff) that athletics isn’t opening doors, it’s dragging them around by a leash

I don't think they're even brainwashed into "the League" above all else. Think about how unbelievably fucking good these guys were in high school, what gods they were treated like. Even a two-star borderline MAC player is one of the best players to come through his town in decades. They are all convinced they are god's gift to football.
 

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The Bama boards are hilarious right now:



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This board justified the Rees hire by saying Buchner was the reason their offense sucked. Now we are looking at bringing him in? Does not compute.
Kinda funny they blamed Buchner for the offensive struggles when the kid was not playing lol.
This is a blessing for him and ND. Seems like a nice kid, but he is dead weight at this point. He was going to get passed by one of three underclassmen next year. He is just not a Power 5 QB. Best of luck to him!
How is he not a P5 quarterback?
 

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I always saw Tyler as a run first type QB which I am not a fan of.

I could see him coming home and going to San Diego State. That would probably be a good fit as they have been lacking at the QB position.
 

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Regardless who you brought in you would be in the same situation. Do you think Mccarthy would stick around if Hartman was coming? Or we would have Mccarthy with Minchey and Angeli as backups. I'd rather have Hartman as QB1. Carr isn't coming here either to sit more than one year.
I feel like they wouldn’t have brought in a QB with McCarthy… assuming, of course, that McCarthy didn’t get injured last year and was as productive as he was at Michigan.
 

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Get use to it gents. The future is now and only going to get worse. Best of luck to the young man.
 

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I’m sure Rees and Buchner are close but Bama feels like a real stretch here. He’s going there to start? Seriously?
It is legitimately crazy thinking about the hypothetical drop off from Bryce Young to Tyler Buchner lol… Bama fans will have ZERO patience for his lack of consistency considering what they’ve become accustomed to.
 

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I don't think they're even brainwashed into "the League" above all else. Think about how unbelievably fucking good these guys were in high school, what gods they were treated like. Even a two-star borderline MAC player is one of the best players to come through his town in decades. They are all convinced they are god's gift to football.
Yep. These dudes were 14-15 and absolutely beating the hell out of 17-18 year olds in an incredibly physical game. The ego must be difficult to contain lol
 

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Dude got hurt walking down stairs. He's going to get murdered in the SEC West.
 

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I've been meaning to mention this about Buchner. This is gonna sound strange but as someone who has studied this area extensively and is affected by these same issues, I can see that Buchner likely has airway/disordered breathing issues that (can't get into the details here) affect his entire body and mental makeup, the three most important of which are executive decision making, proper nose breathing and optimized skeletal structure: 1) He looks to be a mouth-breather - mouth is always open and probably is a shallow breather; 2) You can see his nervous, stream of consciousness thought process when he speaks to reporters compared to say Hartman; 3) he is clumsy (remember his stairs injury) and is easily injured; and 4) as a number of IE posters mentioned, he's nervous and "not composed" or "doesn't have mental toughness," etc. when he is in the pocket so he tends to tuck and run and not hang in for his progressions. This is a real thing and many people are affected by this but the individual just thinks "this is how I am," but it's not an optimized state of functioning. Sure, TB has the measurables/arm skills and is smart in other ways and is truly a "warrior," and with A LOT of work/coaching/development, he may develop and get better (and he'll have his moments like the '22 Bowl game), but he doesn't have the natural QB attributes, presence, and focus, and it will always be a challenge for him to be consistent and truly excel at QB. I could be wrong, but you just don't see the things I outlined here in star QBs. And I would say that the other ND QBs (and JJ McCarthy) don't have these issues and instead have more natural executive presence and decision-making abilities. Bryce Young is a perfect example of maybe not the most physically blessed QB, but he has the presence and focus to become a star NFL QB like Russell Wilson, another undersized but hyper-focused QB in this mold. Just my two cents anyway.
 

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I've been meaning to mention this about Buchner. This is gonna sound strange but as someone who has studied this area extensively and is affected by these same issues, I can see that Buchner likely has airway/disordered breathing issues that (can't get into the details here) affect his entire body and mental makeup, the three most important of which are executive decision making, proper nose breathing and optimized skeletal structure: 1) He looks to be a mouth-breather - mouth is always open and probably is a shallow breather; 2) You can see his nervous, stream of consciousness thought process when he speaks to reporters compared to say Hartman; 3) he is clumsy (remember his stairs injury) and is easily injured; and 4) as a number of IE posters mentioned, he's nervous and "not composed" or "doesn't have mental toughness," etc. when he is in the pocket so he tends to tuck and run and not hang in for his progressions. This is a real thing and many people are affected by this but the individual just thinks "this is how I am," but it's not an optimized state of functioning. Sure, TB has the measurables/arm skills and is smart in other ways and is truly a "warrior," and with A LOT of work/coaching/development, he may develop and get better (and he'll have his moments like the '22 Bowl game), but he doesn't have the natural QB attributes, presence, and focus, and it will always be a challenge for him to be consistent and truly excel at QB. I could be wrong, but you just don't see the things I outlined here in star QBs. And I would say that the other ND QBs (and JJ McCarthy) don't have these issues and instead have more natural executive presence and decision-making abilities. Bryce Young is a perfect example of maybe not the most physically blessed QB, but he has the presence and focus to become a star NFL QB like Russell Wilson, another undersized but hyper-focused QB in this mold. Just my two cents anyway.

Is this a copy pasta because if not lmao.
 

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It is legitimately crazy thinking about the hypothetical drop off from Bryce Young to Tyler Buchner lol… Bama fans will have ZERO patience for his lack of consistency considering what they’ve become accustomed to.
It kinda is like going from a Ferrari to a Ford Focus.
 

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I always saw Tyler as a run first type QB which I am not a fan of.

I could see him coming home and going to San Diego State. That would probably be a good fit as they have been lacking at the QB position.
While I still have high hopes for him, he does seem to be following in the footsteps of Malik Zaire & Brandon Wimbush. Elite athletes but not elite QBs
 

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Say what you want we better hope Hartman doesn’t get hurt. And 2024 right now is in some serious trouble. This portal is a cluster fuck.

Steve Angeli has 0 game experience. And our next option is a true freshman.
You shut your lying mouth. Look at all the experience!

"Made his collegiate debut against UNLV, handing off twice in the 44-21 victory.
Appeared again against Syracuse as the Irish earned a 41-24 win."
 

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Beat PSU and OSU at the Shoe.

22 td vs 5 ints last year is pretty good year. I would take that for ND. Hartman is great. I am happy he is here. He does have a certain amount of Ints. Hopefully that goes down here.
Meh. Football is a team sport so the fact that WF was Sam Hartman + a bunch of no names + a horrible defense while scUM had a good QB along w/ a running game, WR corps, OL & a great defense makes me wonder how Hartman would’ve looked with a similar supporting cast. Just hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison when one kid played for a the smallest school in FBS that’s more known for basketball & academics vs a football factory.
 

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the guy they were linked with from Miami is worse than Buchner tbf

This isn't true. Van Dyke was bad last year because Gattis' offense was horrible. TVD put up really big numbers in the spread system Miami ran the season before with Rhett Lashlee, who left to take the SMU job.
 

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I was at the spring game and was always a Buchner fan but man he just doesn’t look like he has progressed at all. I’m not sure how ugly it looked on tv but he was awful in person. Guiding the short throws, forcing long ones, and little touch. I really can’t see him starting for a top 10 team right now. Was really hoping he would spot play this year and learn from Hartman then be the guy next year. Oh well, this is the cesspool the NCAA has made college football.
 

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Kinda funny they blamed Buchner for the offensive struggles when the kid was not playing lol.

How is he not a P5 quarterback?
He just isn’t. Doesn’t have the arm, doesn’t have the head, doesn’t have the intangibles. He needs to play at a level where he can rely on his raw physical gifts, that’s not Power 5. He might be able to pull that off in the MWC or MAC.
 

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I don't think they're even brainwashed into "the League" above all else. Think about how unbelievably fucking good these guys were in high school, what gods they were treated like. Even a two-star borderline MAC player is one of the best players to come through his town in decades. They are all convinced they are god's gift to football.
I used to think about this when I briefly covered MLB. The worst players I ever saw were, at one point in their careers, an unstoppable menace that opposing teams had to plan around.
 

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I've been meaning to mention this about Buchner. This is gonna sound strange but as someone who has studied this area extensively and is affected by these same issues, I can see that Buchner likely has airway/disordered breathing issues that (can't get into the details here) affect his entire body and mental makeup, the three most important of which are executive decision making, proper nose breathing and optimized skeletal structure: 1) He looks to be a mouth-breather - mouth is always open and probably is a shallow breather; 2) You can see his nervous, stream of consciousness thought process when he speaks to reporters compared to say Hartman; 3) he is clumsy (remember his stairs injury) and is easily injured; and 4) as a number of IE posters mentioned, he's nervous and "not composed" or "doesn't have mental toughness," etc. when he is in the pocket so he tends to tuck and run and not hang in for his progressions. This is a real thing and many people are affected by this but the individual just thinks "this is how I am," but it's not an optimized state of functioning. Sure, TB has the measurables/arm skills and is smart in other ways and is truly a "warrior," and with A LOT of work/coaching/development, he may develop and get better (and he'll have his moments like the '22 Bowl game), but he doesn't have the natural QB attributes, presence, and focus, and it will always be a challenge for him to be consistent and truly excel at QB. I could be wrong, but you just don't see the things I outlined here in star QBs. And I would say that the other ND QBs (and JJ McCarthy) don't have these issues and instead have more natural executive presence and decision-making abilities. Bryce Young is a perfect example of maybe not the most physically blessed QB, but he has the presence and focus to become a star NFL QB like Russell Wilson, another undersized but hyper-focused QB in this mold. Just my two cents anyway.
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This isn't true. Van Dyke was bad last year because Gattis' offense was horrible. TVD put up really big numbers in the spread system Miami ran the season before with Rhett Lashlee, who left to take the SMU job.
If I'm taking one QB for just this next season, I'm taking Van Dyke over Buchner as well.
 

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While I still have high hopes for him, he does seem to be following in the footsteps of Malik Zaire & Brandon Wimbush. Elite athletes but not elite QBs
Maybe I’m wrong but TB really doesn’t seem like an elite athlete. He’s an athletic QB but nothing about him screams “elite” to me. I actually liked Malik, Wimbush and Golson over Tyler. Probably Crist as well.
 

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If I'm taking one QB for just this next season, I'm taking Van Dyke over Buchner as well.
Is Bama's QB pipeline so bad they're taking a guy for more than just this next season? They still have the #3 QB in the '22 class, and two incoming freshman higher-rated than ours.
 

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Singer just posted a video with Hyde and Goolsby. (I'm sorry to some, you're welcome to others).
 
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